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    Default ASRock 970 Extreme4 FX-8350 FX-8150 Unstable with Stock Settings

    I have 3 systems with ASRock 970 extreme4 and FX-8350 processors.


    2 systems have:
    Corsair Builder Series CX430 430W power supply
    Samsung 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MV-3V4G3D/US
    EVGA GEFORCE 550 TI


    1 system has:
    coolermaster elite 460 460W power supply
    G.Skill Ripjaws X 16GB (2x8GB) 1866
    EVGA GEFORCE 550 TI


    Using bios version 2.20
    Windows 8 X64
    with default bios settings
    processors with stock coolers from AMD


    within 30 seconds prime95 (v27.9) fails on at least 2 cores. It isn't the same cores each time. All 3 systems suffer from this. (note version info added to post 2012-01-04)


    I was able to get the systems stable by changing to manual overclock mode and increasing the core voltage to 1.36, 1.37 and 1.38 volts depending on which system I was running.

    Temps all seem within reason.

    Is there a known problem with these motherboards and the FX-8350? I noticed that some MSI motherboard users were having VERY similar problems.

    I don't want to overclock I only want stable systems at default speeds.



    Thanks for any help.

    Update 2012-01-14:

    Several users have indicated the same problems with the FX-8150 processor so this thread should be useful to owners of those as well.
    Last edited by pmarcus; 01-14-2013 at 10:43 PM. Reason: update

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    Are these all newly assembled or have they been running fine and then develop this?

    Guessing new but had better ask first.
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    Default Re: ASRock 970 Extreme4 FX-8350 Unstable with Stock Settings

    Ew........

    Drop your core back down to stock(Auto). 1.3v+? Wow, got a furnace there at 1.3+.

    If it's different cores failing I'd consider raising the memory voltage 0.05 at a time and retest in between.

    The Samsung 1600(awesome mem BTW) the internal memory controller should handle w/o a bump to it's voltage. The 1866, I'd try upping the stick voltage before looking at upping the mem controller voltage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarcus View Post
    It isn't the same cores each time.
    Which IMO rules out a weak core, as a weak core will repeatedly fail. Never mind you have three procs behaving the same.

    No. I'm guessing a bump on the mem voltage will do you up just fine. If bumping the mem volts doesn't get you there, you might, might, consider bumping voltage to the mem controller. But that's last resort and I don't think you'll need it here.
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    Default Re: ASRock 970 Extreme4 FX-8350 Unstable with Stock Settings

    Quote Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
    Are these all newly assembled or have they been running fine and then develop this?

    Guessing new but had better ask first.

    These are brand new systems.

    I appreciate everyones suggestions of voltage changes and, as I mentioned I can get the systems stable by changing the voltages.

    My main concern is that the systems won't run properly with stock voltages. This seems like a serious defect or incompatibility that shouldn't exist, especially given that these are 3 systems with varying related hardware (power supply and memory)

    Also note that I am running the memory at the bios selected speeds (bios defaults to 1600 for the samsung at 1.585V even though it is rated for 1.5V). The bios defaults to 1333 for the G.Skill memory at 1.5V.

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    FYI, the Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US is rated at 1.35v. Not 1.5v.

    On the system that has these Samsung sticks in it, drop the cpu core down to stock/Auto, manually choose 1600 for the memory speed, force the mem voltage to 1.35, and enter 11-11-11-24 in their respective positions in the bios leaving all other mem timing to Auto. Retest and respond back. That is if you care to follow.

    Too much voltage on the Sammys, any sticks for that matter, can cause issues too. At 1.585v you've got enough v's pumped into 'em to go way over 2133. These sticks, the Samsungs, have pages and pages written on the 'net of their capabilities. I've used them here in 2-3 builds and I believe the user here goes by parsec uses these also. Great, heck, superb memory.
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    Default Re: ASRock 970 Extreme4 FX-8350 Unstable with Stock Settings

    Oh.

    Also, if you haven't yet tried, you may want to move the Samsung to mem slots A2 and B2 and retest. Mem will sometimes behave better in those two slots on this board.
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    Default Re: ASRock 970 Extreme4 FX-8350 Unstable with Stock Settings

    Quote Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
    FYI, the Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US is rated at 1.35v. Not 1.5v.

    On the system that has these Samsung sticks in it, drop the cpu core down to stock/Auto, manually choose 1600 for the memory speed, force the mem voltage to 1.35, and enter 11-11-11-24 in their respective positions in the bios leaving all other mem timing to Auto. Retest and respond back. That is if you care to follow.

    Too much voltage on the Sammys, any sticks for that matter, can cause issues too. At 1.585v you've got enough v's pumped into 'em to go way over 2133. These sticks, the Samsungs, have pages and pages written on the 'net of their capabilities. I've used them here in 2-3 builds and I believe the user here goes by parsec uses these also. Great, heck, superb memory.
    I'll give it a shot. I did try the sammy's at 1.35 as I knew that 1.585 wasn't the right voltage. The voltage change didn't help. I didn't however manually select timings so I will try that too.

    I'll give all of your suggestions a shot on Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
    Oh.

    Also, if you haven't yet tried, you may want to move the Samsung to mem slots A2 and B2 and retest. Mem will sometimes behave better in those two slots on this board.
    I am running in A2 B2 (I think, not near the systems today) I believe the manual even states to use those slots for higher speed memories.

    Thanks again for all the suggestions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarcus View Post
    I believe the manual even states to use those slots for higher speed memories.

    Thanks again for all the suggestions!
    No problem. Yea, the manual states so but you might also want to test in A1 and B1 to rule out any "wierdness' happening there.

    Let us know how it goes.
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