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    Default C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    Hi,

    I have put together a server with the new C2750D4I motherboard and the BIOS take very long time to start.
    ASRock > C2750D4I

    System:
    Mother board - C2750D4I, Intel C2750 Avaton octa core.
    Memory - 2*4GB KVR16LE11S8/4I
    SSD - ScanDisk Ultra Plus 128GB

    Start-up times are in seconds:
    00 sec - Power on.
    39 sec - VGA on, display lights up, all blank.
    43 sec - BIOS text displayed.
    49 sec - Boot loader (grub) started.
    55 sec - Linux, Fedora 20, up and running in text mode.

    Running same test with only 4GB lower the time stamps with 6 seconds resulting in a total start-up time of 49 seconds.
    Calculating 6 seconds per 4GB memory will give a start-up time of 43+((64/4)*6)=139 (2minutes and 19 seconds) for 64GB of memory.

    That is very long time for a restart in a critical server installation.

    - Are there any options like turning all memory testing and/or other testing off in the BIOS?
    - Or could it be any thing else that is not right?

    I have tested a lot of the BIOS settings, running 2 cores, running without Marvell, ect. but no measurable improvements.
    BIOS is upgraded from version 1.4 to latest 1.5.

    /Thank in advance
    Pelle

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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    39sec to initialize video?

    Using the on-board AST2300 or a video card in PCIE1?

    BTW, after browsing some sites and the manual, that's a nice little board.
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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    I use the on-board AST2300.
    I guess something is not quit right when it take so long time before the first BIOS text comes up.

    If I unplug one memory module (4GB) the first 39 sec are reduce by 6 seconds. That means it is doing some
    sort of memory test in the beginning. But even if the time spent on testing 8GB are removed from 39sec - 12sec = 27sec.
    What in heck is it doing under these 27 seconds. Initialize Video LAN shout not take longer than 1ms.

    Beside the boot time it's a realy nice card.
    I have it enclosed in a 8 bay NAS box.
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    I hope that AsRock notice the boot time and come up with an nice upgrade of the BIOS

    /Pelle

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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    The BIOS used with PC mother boards has evolved over time to dispense with some of the POST tests, such as testing memory. A server board does not have that luxury.

    Comparing the two types of products for start up speed does not make sense.
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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    The BIOS used with PC mother boards has evolved over time to dispense with some of the POST tests, such as testing memory. A server board does not have that luxury.
    I wonder if disabling "Full Screen Logo" in the BIOS will show it testing the memory like the motherboards of old used to.
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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    Quote Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
    I wonder if disabling "Full Screen Logo" in the BIOS will show it testing the memory like the motherboards of old used to.
    Hi,

    I have that turned off.
    And it dose not show any memory testing at all.

    I noticed when I watched the IPMI output that the first thing is the AST 2300 BIOS.
    Apparently this is shown for just a short period. So it is not visible on the VGA monitor
    due to it is activated/started at the same moment.

    Current time stamps:
    00 sec - power up
    17 sec - IPMI JViewer highlite the tool bar buttons
    30 sec - AST 2300 init

    AST1300/2300 VGA True Color Graphics and Video Accelerator
    VBIOS Version 0.96.00
    DRAM Size: 16MB

    33 sec - First bios text

    Version 2.15.1236. Copyright (c) 2012 American Megatrends. Inc.
    BIOS Date: 11/28/2013 17:38:43

    35 sec - Second bios text

    Version 2.15.1236. Copyright (c) 2012 American Megatrends. Inc.
    BIOS Date: 11/28/2013 17:38:43
    C2750D4I UEFI P1.50
    Total Memory: 8192MB

    Press F2 or DEL to run Setup.
    Press F11 for Boot Menu.

    Detected ATA/ATAPI Devices...
    Sata Port0: ScanDisk SDSSDHP128G

    39 sec - Grub
    45 sec - Linux ready.

    So with current BIOS tweaks is it little bit faster.
    I would be happy if the first 30 seconds could be reduced to like 2 seconds.
    Then start-up would be 2+9+6=17 seconds from power to linux.

    Maybee some options inside BIOS disabling memory test ect.

    /Pelle

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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    Hello!


    I also have Asrock C2750D4, with probably as long boot times.
    Thought it was broken the first time I started it!


    Have tried with bios 1.50 which is on the website, but even with 1.52 that I received through the support when I was talking about support for 16GB DDR3.


    Have you had problems with occasional reboots?


    With BIOS 1.50, I could not install ESXi 5.5, rebooted when to press F11.
    Worked with BIOS 1:52.


    However, I had problems with installing Debian Jessie with BIOS 1.52, then changed to 1.50.


    Now I get random kernel panic....
    Kernel does not seem to have support for Avaton chipset yet ..... will test the BIOS 1:52 Now when the computer is installed.


    Code:
    [   15.069043] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.069284] microcode: CPU1 sig=0x406d8, pf=0x1, revision=0x116
    [   15.069922] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.070081] microcode: CPU2 sig=0x406d8, pf=0x1, revision=0x116
    [   15.070563] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.070715] microcode: CPU3 sig=0x406d8, pf=0x1, revision=0x116
    [   15.070762] iTCO_vendor_support: vendor-support=0
    [   15.071216] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.071350] iTCO_wdt: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver v1.10
    [   15.071378] microcode: CPU4 sig=0x406d8, pf=0x1, revision=0x116
    [   15.071394] iTCO_wdt: Found a Avoton SoC TCO device (Version=1, TCOBASE=0x0460)
    [   15.071439] iTCO_wdt: timeout value out of range, using 30
    [   15.071569] iTCO_wdt: initialized. heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0)
    [   15.072953] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.073132] microcode: CPU5 sig=0x406d8, pf=0x1, revision=0x116
    [   15.074456] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.074639] microcode: CPU6 sig=0x406d8, pf=0x1, revision=0x116
    [   15.075813] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.075989] microcode: CPU7 sig=0x406d8, pf=0x1, revision=0x116
    [   15.077404] platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-4d-08 (not found?)
    [   15.077795] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.00 , Peter Oruba
    This is after reboot.

    And this is my kernel panic.. Linux 3.11-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.11.10-1 (2013-12-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux


    Do you want the latest BIOS file? :)

    //Tobias

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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    Hi,

    No, I do not have any problem when it is up and running. No reboot or other problems so far.
    I run BIOS 1.50 and Fedora 20 now. I don't run any heavy load, just some samba and ssh stuff.

    Kernel: 3.12.5-302.fc20.x86_64

    When I talked to the support they mention that they are testing a BIOS version L1.54.
    So it seems they are continuously coming up with new version rather rapidly now.

    My only concern is the long pre-boot time. Intel talked about optimising BIOS startup time
    on the IDF2009 developer document.

    http://www.intel.com.br/content/dam/...n-windows7.pdf

    One possibility for the long pre-boot time could be the issue of running the BIOS inside
    the CPU's cache, see page 8 where they say:

    - SEC and PEI phase:
    - Code runs extremely slow when outside processor's cache.

    PS. I wait for a public release of the next BIOS version, thanks any way !

    /Pelle

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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    Hi,

    I have also sporadic reboots on this motherboard with Fedora 20, 32-bit kernel PAE (hoping to cross-upgrade this to a x64 as soon as I feel enough inspired) and also a long boot time like the others (my system has 32 GB RAM). I don't complain about the boot time because hopefully, as a server platform, this should not experience reboots very often. What happens actually is, from time to time, the system reboots itself without leaving kernel logs that can be visualized on journalctl. Other times, when I use bluetooth that implies streaming with SCO, I always have CPUs locking up for some time interval, say 22 secs and that is reported by kernel. I wonder if some of these problems were solved by that BIOS 1.52 and I was willing to give it a try.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Default Re: C2750D4I too long pre BIOS startup time

    Quote Originally Posted by solha View Post
    Hi,

    I have also sporadic reboots on this motherboard with Fedora 20, 32-bit kernel PAE (hoping to cross-upgrade this to a x64 as soon as I feel enough inspired) and also a long boot time like the others (my system has 32 GB RAM). I don't complain about the boot time because hopefully, as a server platform, this should not experience reboots very often. What happens actually is, from time to time, the system reboots itself without leaving kernel logs that can be visualized on journalctl. Other times, when I use bluetooth that implies streaming with SCO, I always have CPUs locking up for some time interval, say 22 secs and that is reported by kernel. I wonder if some of these problems were solved by that BIOS 1.52 and I was willing to give it a try.
    Thanks in advance.

    I have installed mcelog and hope I got some good logs after next reboot. ;)
    mcelog -- the linux hardware error daemon


    Here is 1.52, I will try it if its reboot.
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...275D4I1.52.zip

    20:03:25 up 1 day, 9:05, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.16, 0.15
    Still going strong.

    //Tobias

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