Another Q9950 & UD3P Overclock

[Conners]

Looking good on tRD 8. I'm gonna run P95 all night tonight. Any thing else you guys need? Screenies, temp, volts...?

Thanks again.

EDIT OVERNIGHT SCREENSHOT!

[profJim]

I've been tied up with testing memory module placement in different slots for the past couple of days. Seems that a new EP45-UD3P/Q9550/Dominator memory build has major issues with the memory.

Looks like you're making good progress. Not to rain on your parade, but your overnight test is 75% great & 25% UGGH; core #2 failed after 49 minutes with the dreaded rounding error.

Post your current settings and let's look at possibly increasing some voltages.

Suggestion: Include Memset info for both memory modules in your screen shots. Also include the cpu-z screen that shows cpu speeds (the initial screen displayed when you start cpu-z).

[profJim]

Check out this link for some good (if I say so myself) info on overclocking. This is the memory module placement thread where I cover a little bit of everything for an overclocking newbie.

No, it's not in the same league as LSDme's superb primer.

[kick]

Are you still on the same speeds?, just changing memory timings?
You are testing with the case cover on yes?.
The cpu temps seem ok ,tho im not sure if that cpu voltage is enough for the speed.
You can see yorself that the voltage drops to 1.17 under load.
Certainly increased voltages give higher temperatures,as does increased speed but you need to have sufficient volts to get those electrons jumping at the higher temperatures too.

Id be a little concerned about ancillary temps.Gx cpu and system(assuming cpuid is accurate for you)
Its cool here today but ill just run prime for 30 min or so and see what i get on cpuid.

CPUID Hardware Monitor 1.1.3.0
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Mainboard Vendor Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Mainboard Model EP45-UD3 (0x1F7 - 0xB66A2E)

LPCIO
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Vendor ITE
Model IT8718
Vendor ID 0x90
Chip ID 0x8718
Revision ID 0x5
Config Mode I/O address 0x2E



Hardware monitor
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ITE IT87 hardware monitor

Voltage sensor 0 1.38 Volts [0x56] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage sensor 1 2.19 Volts [0x89] (VIN1)

Temperature sensor 0 35°C (95°F) [0x23] (TMPIN0)system
Temperature sensor 1 57°C (134°F) [0x39] (TMPIN1)cpu
Fan sensor 0 1891 RPM [0x165] (FANIN0)cpu
Fan sensor 1 1170 RPM [0x241] (FANIN1)nb/memory



Hardware monitor
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 66°C (150°F) [0x22] (Core #0)
Temperature sensor 1 61°C (141°F) [0x27] (Core #1)
Temperature sensor 2 60°C (140°F) [0x28] (Core #2)
Temperature sensor 3 57°C (134°F) [0x2B] (Core #3)

Dump hardware monitor



Hardware monitor
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GeForce 9600 GT hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 43°C (109°F) [0x2B] (GPU Core)

Dump hardware monitor



Hardware monitor
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WDC WD10EACS-22D6B0 hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 27°C (80°F) [0x1B] (HDD)

Dump hardware monitor


Processors Map
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Number of processors 1
Number of threads 4

Processor 0
-- Core 0
-- Thread 0
-- Core 1
-- Thread 0
-- Core 2
-- Thread 0
-- Core 3
-- Thread 0


Processors Information
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Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200
Codename Yorkfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 4h)
CPUID 6.7.7
Extended CPUID 6.17
Core Stepping M1
Technology 45 nm
Core Speed 3500.1 MHz (7.0 x 500.0 MHz)
Rated Bus speed 2000.1 MHz
Stock frequency 2333 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 2048 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 7.0x
max VID 1.225 V
Features XD


The above is a txt snapshot of my cpuid after 50 min or so.

As I said its a cool day room temp is 17-18C
It runs fine tho with ch on etc or if its a warm day say 23C 70F approx.(case cover on)

Why Im putting that up tho is mainly the sys temp and gpu temp.
My sys temp ive never seen above 42 in testing or gpu above 48 (unless gx testing).
Obviously my cpu temps are higher but I expect that at the fsb/volts Im putting on.

Thats why Im wondering why your sys gpu temps are so high/comparitively.

Are you doing some gx work while prime is running also?

Im primarily thinking of the mch temperature,if your gx card is happy at 80C nps,but is some of that extra heat leaking up to the northbridge(the big heatsink just below and to the right of your V8,near the memory) and the ram fans are they just blowing some hot air down around it too?

My system has cooled down now .The sys temp is reading 32C ,my nb temp sensor is reading 36.2C
The nb sensor is something I added myself.
I had to experiment to find the best location for it.
1.I have a memory/nb cooling fan which blows air at a 45degree angle over the memory and nb heatsink and is controlled by the sys_2 fan connector.
To cut a long story short when the fan is running at low speed the nb temp is 3-5 degrees higher than the system temp.When the fan is running at high speed the nb temp is approx 1 degree lower than the system temp.
IE nb cooling fan is good,no nb cooling fan not so good.
Of course then again your mbrd has the cool "blue gigabyte hats" over the heatsinks so maybe temperature distribution is different.

[Conners]

Jim here is the screen shots you asked for... Also I ran Memtest86 this morning before going to work and when I got home I had one error on test 6 pass 20 failed address 001648adf4 - 236.6mb good efffffff bad effff7ff error bits 00000800 count chan 1. If that means anything to you to me it's greek.

I had been reading SFChiefs problems with his memory and LSDme's post on gettiung the mother board going to overclocking. Good Stuff there.
Thanks for your knowledge and help.

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.5
CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.612
 
Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 425Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100
C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
 
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 
 
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.40B 
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1020Mhz
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time........................ 5
tRCD ......................................... 5
tRP'........................................... 5
tRAS.......................................... 12
^^ At 850Mhz, you may be able to use 444-12/15 or 544-12, ect ^^
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD........................................... 4
tWTR.......................................... 4
tWR............................................ 5
tRFC........................................... 57
tRTP........................................... 4
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ............................1066 
Channel A
Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH <-- 8
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
Channel B
Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH <-- 8
tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
Motherboard Voltage Control
Voltage Type.………... Manual
CPU
CPU Vcore….……….........................:1.25-1.36 (All up to your chip) <-- 1.24375
CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< 1.2-1.36 (1.2-1.32 likely plenty)<-- 1.220
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << 1.5-1.58 <-- Auto
CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly <-- Auto
CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly <-- Auto 
MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.2-1.3 (1.22-1.26 likely good) <-- 1.240
MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave <-- Auto
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave <-- Auto
ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< 1.5-1.6 <-- 1.500
ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< 1.1x-1.2 <--1.100
DRAM
DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.0-2.1 <-- 2.120
DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave <-- Auto
Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave <-- Auto
Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave <-- Auto
Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

[Conners]

Kick, I am still on the same speeds and was only changing the tRD and testing. Yes the case side panel is on, I have two inlet 120mm fans that run on low ( front 800 RPM, side 1000 RPM and one 120mm exhaust on medium speed (1300RPM). I was using the Corsair Domonator Airflow fan but it started making noise so I removed it. :-(

Also my Visiontek HD 4870 just runs that hot (75c -80c), normally on auto fan about 22%. Sometimes I run it in manual and then about 35% and it stays about 45c. But I forgot it was on manual last weekend when I played Far Cry 2. Boy it got so hot it CTD. So I set it on auto. I do try to change it to manual but I forgot on that overnight test.

Check out the info I posted for Jim and if you guys think I need more voltage let me know. Well any tweaks you guys want for that matter.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me and others on these boards.

[profJim]

You posted:

CPU Vcore..................?.?????...........:1.25-1.36 (All up to your chip) <-- 1.24375
CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< 1.2-1.36 (1.2-1.32 likely plenty)<-- 1.220
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << 1.5-1.58 <-- Auto
CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly <-- Auto
CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly <-- Auto
MCH/ICH
MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.2-1.3 (1.22-1.26 likely good) <-- 1.240
MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave <-- Auto
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave <-- Auto
ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< 1.5-1.6 <-- 1.500
ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< 1.1x-1.2 <--1.100

It will be easier for us to check your settings if you use this format:

CPU Vcore….………..........................: [1.24375] <---1.25-1.36 (All up to your chip)
CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: [Auto] << 1.5-1.58
ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: [1.10]<<< 1.1x-1.2

This way we don't have to scroll back & forth, especially when there are a bunch of comments to the right of the actual settings. I like to use BOLD for the settings, color is up to you.

You show:
tRas ...................12
tRRD...................4
etc.
Are these advanced timing settings on AUTO? The displayed value? Manually set?
To avoid confusion, please change the format to:
tRas ...................12...... [Auto]
tRRD...................4........ [4]
etc.
------> Accuracy is not important, it's everything!

Your screen shot is helpful. From here on out only 1 SPD window is required. It's possible (but unlikely) that the SPD values will differ between 2 identical memory modules. What will help is if you use Memsets ">>" button to show the memory timings for all the memory modules. In the other thread I referred to, we could see that tRD was set to 10 on the first module and 11 on the 2nd module. It turns out that the the first module was correctly set to 10, and the second module was accidently left on AUTO.

CPU Vcore should normally be set to the value shown in the bios (?.?????), unless you manually increase it. I can't determine the standard setting right now. If it's at the normal value now, increase it by 1 step (+0.00625).

Manually set:
tRAS to 15 (tweaking memory timings is done after we're stable)
CPU Termination to 1.20 volts
CPU PLL to: 1.50 volts
MCH Core to 1.26 volts

ICH Core is usually displayed as 1.5000 volts. Manually set this value to the "normal" value shown in the bios.

It looks like all the Reference voltages are set to AUTO. If so, good.

Your Memtest86+ results are close, but no cigar. Don't worry about the specific cryptic messages. You should let us know the PASS #, TEST #, and how many errors there were in each test.

Please clean up your bios template and let us know how the next test goes. Once we're absolutely sure of your test settings, we can take it to the next step.

You can always change the temperature alarm setting in the bios and/or EasyTune. Your current LOAD temps aren't bad and the temps will drop a bit after your cpu has gone through multiple heating/cooling cycles. Leaving your computer on 24/7 slows this process down.

[Conners]

Jim thanks for lining me out on the bios template. I made all the changes you suggest. I'm going to go do some testing now.

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.) 
Robust Graphics Booster ...............:Fast 
CPU Clock Ratio ...........................:8 X
Fine CPU Clock Ratio......................:+0.5
CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.6GHz (425x8.5)
 
Advanced Clock Control Press Enter 
CPU Host Clock Control..................:Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............:425 
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100 Set to 100 
C.I.A.2 .................................:Disabled 
 
CPU Clock Drive............................:800mV 
PCI Express Clock Drive.................:900mV 
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................:0ps 
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................:0ps 
 
DRAM Performance Control 
Performance Enhance...................:Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....:Disabled 
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............:Auto 
System Memory Multiplier ..............2.40B 
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ....1066....:1020
DRAM Timing Selectable ................:Manual 
 
Standard Timing Control 
CAS Latency Time..............5.........5
tRCD ................................7.........5
tRP'...................................7........5
tRAS................................24.........15
 
Advanced Timing Control 
tRRD........................4..................4
tWTR.......................4...................4
tWR..........................8..................5
tRFC........................68.................57
tRTP..........................4..................4
Command Rate (CMD) .......0...........2
 
Driving Strength Profiles 
Driving Strength ............................. 1066MHz
 
Channel A 
Static tRead Value...............8........:8  
tRD Phase0 Adjustment........0.......:Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment........0.......:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .......0.......:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment........0.......:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)...........8........:Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)..........8........:Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)............7......:Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..........9.......:Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............:Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............:Auto
 
Channel B 
Static tRead Value...............8........:8  
tRD Phase0 Adjustment........1.......:Auto 
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.......0........:Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .......0.......:Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment........0.......:Auto
Trd2rd(Different Rank)...........8........:Auto
Twr2wr(Different Rank)..........8........:Auto
Twr2rd(Different Rank)...........7........:Auto
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..........9.......:Auto
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............:Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............:Auto
 
Motherboard Voltage Control 
Voltage Type.………... Manual 
CPU
Load Line Calibration......................:Disabled
CPU Vcore….…….1.25000V...........:1.25000V
CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*........:1.200V
CPU PLL……………….1.500V*.......: 1.500V
 
CPU Referennce.……...0.760V*.......: Auto
 
MCH/ICH 
MCH Core……………...1.100V...........:1.260V
MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........;Auto 
MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V............:Auto 
ICH I/O…………….....1.500V............:1.500V
ICH Core…………...…1.100V............:1.100V
 
DRAM 
DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V..........:2.120V
DRAM Termination .…0.900V...........:Auto 
Channel A Reference 0.900V............:Auto
Channel B Reference 0.900V............:Auto
 
Advanced Settings 
Limit CPUID Max. to 3....................:Disabled
No-Execute Memory Protect...........:Enabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..............:Disabled
C2/C2E State Support....................:Disabled
x C4/C4E State Support..................:Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ..........:Enabled 
CPU EIST Function.........................:Disabled 
Virtualization Technology................:Disabled
 
Integrated Peripherals 
Legacy USB Storage Detect ............Enabled

[profJim]

Ah, much easier to read, too bad you didn't go with a multi-color post.
It's a shame that all the columns don't line up perfectly.

I see that you changed to 5-5-5-15 settings. Good. I was going to suggest this as a temporary change until we get tRD and tRFC finalized.

Once you're stable (I mean your cpu/memory settings), the 2.40B can probably be used up to 460 MHz cpu host frequency. After that the memory multiplier will probably need to change to 2.0B or 2.0D.

[Conners]

No runs, no hits, no errors after approximately 14 hour run of P95. What cha think?

Once you're stable (I mean your cpu/memory settings)

What are you incenuating Jim?