mem issues with p45 ud3r

[marsey99]

1st post woo hoo :D

thanks ken for pointing me to these boards :)

i have read thru as many threads as i can find about this board but nobody else seems to be having the issue i am having, everything works fine and other than a couple of blue screens due to p35 drivers not working this p45 board it has all been fine.

now the issue, my ram is performing very badly and i cant work out why, these sticks have been in my p35 ds3r for over a year and never missed a beat throwing out near three times the mb/s that they are right now in this p45.



but that is what they are doing right now :(

my first thought was a bios setting that could be wrong so i got in touch with gb and i have yet to hear back so i then tried ocz and they told me that what i have set looks right to them and they know of no bios option that would be doing this, so here i am hoping that you guys and your vast knowledge of gb boards might be able to help me get the performance back in my system.

thanks for taking the time to read my pain and any advice you might have would be great.

[Chike]

We'll need your BIOS settings, use the template in this post to post them.
If you have not loaded optimized defaults yet, please do.
A screen capture of MemSet main and spd(click spd) windows would be useful too.
Please add a link to your ram specs in your forum signature.

[marsey99]

yea, everything is auto/normal in bios and my ram is set like
that which is as spd.

updated sig too :D

[profJim]

Which memory slots are you using?

Please post your bios settings using the template that Chike linked to and post a screen-shot similar to this one that includes:

Memset using the SPD and ">>" tabs
cpu-z CPU and Mainboard screens (several instances can be run at the same time)
EasyTune6 --> TUNER tab --> ADVANCE tab --> VOLTAGE tab (only the Voltage tab is needed)
CoreTemp screen [for your cpu's VID (Voltage ID)]

[marsey99]

i have tried both yellow and red slots

memset shows the same timings as everest but i will do that later

easy tune crashes when i launch it, vista u 64 is it an isssue?

vid is 1.2875v

q9550 p45 ud3r f9

MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster -------------- : [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ---------------------- : [08]
Fine CPU Clock Ratio ----------------- : [0.5] <-- ignore if not available
CPU Frequency ---------------------: #### <-- this is set by your bios

Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control --------------- : [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------------: [333]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ---------- : [100] <--- Set to 100, never leave this on Auto

C.I.A.2 ------------------------------ : [Disabled]

Advanced Clock Control ------- [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive ---------------------- : [700]
PCI Express Clock Drive -------------- : [700]
CPU Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [0]
MCH Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [0]

DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance ------------------- : [standard] <--- set to STANDARD when overclocking
(G)MCH Frequency Latch ---------------- : [Auto]
System Memory Multiplier -------------- : [Auto] <-- this is the setting that you are using
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ---------------- : [Auto]
DRAM Timing Selectable ---------------- : [Auto] <-- set to MANUAL for overclocking

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time -------- 5 ---------- : [Auto]
tRCD ------------------- 5 ---------- : [Auto]
tRP --------------------- 5 ---------- : [Auto]
tRAS ------------------- 15 ---------- : [Auto]

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
tWTR ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
tWR --------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]  not sure of these 5 off top of my head but will check later
tRFC ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
tRTP ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) -------------------- : [Auto] <--- Auto or 0 is OK

Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength --------- : Press Enter <--- press ENTER to modify memory sub-timings when overclocking

Channel A
Static tRead Value --------------------- : [Auto]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto] <-- leave this and below set to AUTO
tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps

Channel B
Static tRead Value --------------------- : [Auto]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto] <-- leave this and below set to AUTO
tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps

Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Voltage Types------------ Normal -------- Current -----
Load-Line Calibration ----------------- : [Disabled]
CPU Vcore --------------- 1.2875 ---- : [Auto]

CPU Termination --------- 1.2V* ----- : [Auto]
CPU PLL ----------------- 1.5V* ----- : [Auto]

CPU Reference ----------- 0.76V* ----- : [Auto]
CPU Reference2 ---------- ?.???V* ----- : [Auto]  i dont know about ref2???

MCH/ICH
MCH Core ---------------- 1.1V ------- : [Auto]
MCH Reference ----------- 0.76V ------- : [Auto]
MCH/DRAM Ref ------------ 0.9V ------ : [Auto]
ICH I/O ----------------- 1.5V ------- : [Auto]
ICH Core ---------------- 1.1V ------- : [Auto]
DRAM
DRAM Voltage ------------ 1.8V ------- : [Auto]
DRAM Termination -------- 0.9V ------- : [Auto]
Channel A Reference ----- 0.9V ------- : [Auto]
Channel B Reference ----- 0.9V ------- : [Auto]

Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3 ------------------ : [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect -------------- : [disabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ---------------- : [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support ------------------- : [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support ----------------- : [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) ------------ : [disabled]
CPU EIST Function --------------------- : [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology -------------- : [Disabled]

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect ------------- : [enabled]

[profJim]

If you're using ET6 from the mobo's DVD, upgrade immediately to the most recent version from the Gigabyte website. This might solve the ET6 crash.

If all your bios voltages are using AUTO, that is a problem.
If you didn't load OPTIMIZED bios settings before you made any bios changes, that is definitely a problem.

Double check the displayed values for CPU Clock Drive and PCI Express Clock Drive and let us know if they are both set at 700.

See this post for recommend bios settings (AFTER YOU HAVE FIRST LOADED OPTIMIZED BIOS SETTINGS).

Just in case I didn't make things perfectly clear, read the last 2 lines in my signature.

[marsey99]

:D this is not my first gb mobo so i did know the install/flash procedure :D

i did run (then f10 y return) optimised before i did anything in the bios.

i tried f9 then f11 and now back to f9 as f11 had an issue with 3.00b divider to run my mem at spec speeds.

i checked my settings and i got them right appart from that, it wasnt on auto divider but 3.00b.

i have tried other settings too to try and get my ram running as it should but without any luck so i figured going back to stock and just working on the ram would be my best bet.

this is the best i can claim to have stable so far;


which is running on these settings

q9550 | p45-ud3r-f9 | 3.8ghz

Robust Graphics Booster          - auto
CPU Clock Ratio                     - x8
Fine CPU Clock Ratio               : 0.5
CPU Host Frequency               - 450
PCI Express Frquency              - 100 
C.I.A.2                                 - disabled

****Advancded Clock Controll****

CPU Clock Drive                       - 700
PCI Express Clock Drive            - 700
Clock skews are all set to         - 0ps

****DRAM Performance Control****

Performance Enhance              - standard
(G) MCH Frequency Latch         - auto
System Memory Multiplier         - 2.0 b
Dram Speed                           : 900

>>>Sandard Timing Control<<<
CAS Latency Time                   - 5
tRCD                                    - 5
tRP                                      - 5
tRAS                                    - 15

>>>Advanced Timing Control<<<
PL                                        : 9
Everything else is Auto. 

****Motherboard Voltage Control****

>>>>CPU
Load Line Calibration               - disabled
CPU Vcore                            - 1.31250
CPU Termination                    - 1.22
CPU PLL                               - normal
CPU Reference                      - normal

>>>>MCH/ICH
MCH Core                             - 1.160
MCH Reference                      - 0.772
MCH/DRAM Reference              - 0.950
ICH I/O                                - normal
ICH Core                              - normal

>>>DRAM
DRAM Voltage                       - 1.9
DRAM Termination                  - 0.86
Channel A Reference              - 0.86
Channel B Reference              - 0.86

All CPU Features Off

only 1 file max????

[marsey99]

which gave me these temps

so im pretty sure thats not an issue.

i was using the et that came on the disk but i got the latest version from gbs site last night and tried that when i got home, i removed the old one that would crash on launch and tried to put the new one on but got installation errors which stopped it from installing.

first one was a code 0x80040707 and then a second window told me it was a 1628:failed to complete installation :(

i am about to see what google throws up for those :)

[Chike]

CPU/PCI-E Clock Drives 700 suggest FaliSafe defaults not Optimized.
Reference voltages and DRAM Termination can be left auto unless you mean to tweak them, certainly not normal.
There is no 3.00b multiplier, but in the template you had it 2.00b, I suppose that's what you meant.
PL(???) 9, whazzet? Static tRead Value?
In MemSet Perfomance Level is blank, that mean Static tRead is on auto or the above didn't take. When the system reboots, does it boot at first attempt?
There is not way you can run ram at DDR-1000 in stock speed, but you can try DDR-800 or a slight OC to 1066 or at 416FSB with 2.40b multiplier (if it works at that FSB).

[profJim]

With your 450MHz settings, tRD (Static tRead Value or Performance Level in Memset) = 9 (10 might be needed) will be stable, lower gives better memory performance. If your system is stable using the 2.00B , you can probably set tRD 1 step lower where you'll get slightly better memory performance instead of the 2.00D System Memory Multiplier.

Your memory is rated 5-5-5-18 at 1000MHz.
Some of your AUTO voltage settings are badly overvolted by the bios. Check this post for basic settings that are stable with non-overclocked settings.
ET6 is the only program that will display some of the actual voltage settings that are being used.

I don't recommend that you run with a 31% overclock until you can get ET6 running. ET6 might be resident in your task bar and this might be part of your problem.

Cpu and PCI Express Clock Drive settings = 700 tells me that Optimized bios settings were NOT loaded or that you borrowed a bios template with these values already there. Accuracy is very important!