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    Question Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    So I have an ageing system that is still my primary workstation and I recently did the Socket 771 mod to put an X5460 into my P35-DS3L. I'm looking to get the best performance out of the system but am new to overclocking so appreciate any help I can get. I have read numerous P35 overclocking guides but am not able to find any data on overclocking with an X5460.

    My current overclock is 3.6Ghz and I have attached CPU-Z screenshots at idle and my current BIOS settings, my system details should be in my profile.

    I would love to be able to get to 4Ghz purely for satisfaction but any improvements will be welcomed.

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    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9] 
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [400] 
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [Auto]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Auto]
    
    
    CAS Latency Time_______________5_Auto
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay________5_Auto
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______5_Auto
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________18_15
    
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________3_Auto 
    Rank Write to READ Delay________3_Auto
    Write to Precharge Delay_________6_Auto
    Refresh to ACT Delay____________52_Auto
    Read to Precharge Delay__________3_Auto
    Static tRead Value_______________8_Auto
    Static tRead Phase Adjust_________0_Auto
    
    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] 
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V] 
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V] 
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] 
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.30]
    
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Disabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)...............: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ..........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] 
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled]

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Your E5450 Xeon cpu is similar to the Q9650 cpu and overclocking to 3.80 - 4.0GHz shouldn't be a problem.
    You will need to increase Cpu Vcore as you o/c higher.

    You might need to set:
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.2V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.2V]

    I recommend that your set:
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [101] <-- 100 should also be OK

    After my systems had passed extended stress testing, my P35-DS3L and P35-DS4 systems passed additional stress testing with:
    Performance Enhance = [Turbo]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) _____: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST__________________: [Enabled]
    Static tRead Value = 7 is stable with 8GB of memory on my P35-DS3L system with CPU Host Frequency = 438MHz. YMMV
    Memset v4.1 will show this value as Performance Level. Memset v4.1 Download - Tweakers.fr

    I don't think that C2/C2E and C4/C4E State Support was available on my systems.

    My Q9650 booted and passed minimal stress testing on my P35-DS4 system using 9 x 460MHz = 4.14GHz but cpu core voltage was too high.
    The Q9650 is currently running at 9 x 438MHz = 3.816GHz and passed all of my stress testing.
    9 x 445MHz = 4.00GHz was also stable but I wanted to use somewhat lower cpu core voltages.

    My P35-DS4 + Q9650 + 8GB Mesmset values are similar.

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    Talking Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Thanks a lot profJim!

    I will try changing those settings and let you know how I get on.
    Just to be sure, I have an X5460 not an E5460 and also I'm not sure if my RAM is great for overclocking?
    Can you recommend a maximum VCore and temperature for this system?

    All the best,

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Hmmm, someone is lying.

    Cpu-z says that you have an E5450.

    Intel says:

    http://ark.intel.com/products/33087/...333-MHz-FSB%29
    X5460
    • Max TDP: 120 W
    • VID Voltage Range: 0.850V-1.3500V
    • Recommended Customer Price: BOX : $1245.00


    http://ark.intel.com/products/34446/...333-MHz-FSB%29
    X5450
    • Max TDP: 120 W
    • VID Voltage Range: 0.850V-1.3500V
    • Recommended Customer Price: BOX : $912.00


    http://ark.intel.com/products/33083/...333-MHz-FSB%29
    E5450
    • Max TDP: 80 W
    • VID Voltage Range: 0.850V-1.3500V
    • Recommended Customer Price: BOX : $969.00


    http://ark.intel.com/products/35428/...333-MHz-FSB%29
    Q9650
    • Max TDP: 95 W
    • VID Voltage Range: 0.8500V-1.3625V
    • Recommended Customer Price: BOX : $339.00


    Only the X5460 has a stock 9.5x cpu multiplier @ 3.16GHz and the other processors have a stock 9.0x multiplier @ 3.0GHz.
    As I recall the C2D processors could safely run up to about 1.42 - 1.45 volts.l
    Given the age of our quad core processors I feel that up to about 1.39 volts should be safe.

    It's unlikely that you will notice any real world performance differences between 3.8GHz and 4.0GHz.
    You can use RealTemp or CoreTemp to see what the maximum Tj. Max setting is for your processor.
    I don't want any of my core temperatures to be higher than about 75o(C) with my system under full load.

    Maybe I should add a poll to this thread:
    Who is telling the truth?
    1. Cpu-z
    2. Intel
    3. lukevga




    In the above screen-shot the implied TJ Max from RealTemp is 100o for cores 0 and 1, 112o(C) for core 2 and 110o(C) for core 3, which I don't think is correct.
    I always thought that the sum for each cores' current temperature plus distance to TJ Max should be the same.
    I might be wrong, maybe our quad core processors can have different TJ. Max settings for each core.
    As far as I know, each cpu has only one TJ. Max setting that applies to all cores.

    You can determine the "corrected" TJ Max setting for your cpu by using RealTemp and following their TJ Max procedure using Real Temp - Documentation




    In this screen-shot, RealTemp implies that TJ. Max is 90o(C) and CoreTemp states that TJ. Max is 100o(C).
    Note: It's normal for each core to have slightly different core temperatures from the other cores at idle and at load.

    I hope that I'm not confusing anyone with too many facts.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
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    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    More facts is great thanks! I'll double check but I'm sure it said X5460 :/
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    You're welcome.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Cpu-z got it wrong, especially with your 771 cpu/socket mod.

    Did you take the picture or did it come from the web?

    The photo also shows 3.16GHz so you should be able to use the 9.5 cpu multiplier if needed.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
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    Thanks so much for the interest in helping me profJim,

    I took that picture myself and uploaded it from my phone there - does that mean I should try using the 0.x multiplier?

    I'm busy studying for final exams atm and try and reply in my breaks and do some BIOS tinkering if I get a chance in the evenings.

    As for the question about the RAM, I contacted crucial support live help and one of the guys told me I can't overclock my RAM but I think (hope) he was just trying to deter me!

    I will let you know how I get on and post some screenshots including temperatures so you can get a better idea of things. I've been using Core Temp and a combination of Orthos and Prime95 to stress-test but haven't really done a thorough test yet - would you recommend Real Temp and Intel Burn Test over these?

    Cheers again!

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    Cool Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    So I changed the settings as per your advise and used the 0.5 multiplier and was able to boot at 4GHz! :D

    I haven't done any stability testing yet but will do so when I hear back from you about the best test to run.

    I've attached a screenshot of the settings I now have:

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    All the best,

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Nice!

    Ok, now it's time for the not-so-much-fun but necessary part.

    I like to first run a brief IBT (Intel Burn Test) or LinX preliminary stress test for 5 - 10 loops only, any longer tests are abusing your cpu.
    You will need to carefully watch your cpu core temperatures where the core temperatures might go as high as 80o(C) or higher.
    Abort the test if core temps go higher than 80o(C).
    Ideally core temperatures will be in the 60o - 70o(C) range.

    Others may disagree, but I've seen quite a few cases where owners ran either of these tests for much longer time with no errors, only to find that their systems fail one or more of the three different Prime95 tests. This has happened to me many times and this is why either of these programs are only good for quick preliminary tests.
    You should post the test window results along with your windows in post #8.
    The GFlops scores are a good indicator that will show if your system's performance is where it should be.

    I recommend running the Prime95 Blend test for at least 3 - 4 hours.
    Prime95 core temperatures should be about 10o(C) lower than the IBT or LinX tests.
    An 8 - 12 hour test is better, but isn't needed right now.
    If there are any Prime95 worker errors, stop the test and post the Prime95 results window along with windows in post #8.
    Your current memory timings are not optimal right now and a 4 hour test will be fine where you will need to repeat the test after we optimize the memory settings.

    It's best to keep detailed hard copy notes for each test that includes all of your bios settings and related test results.
    It will help others if you also post your bios template settings when there are errors and if there are no errors.

    I noticed that CoreTemp reports your cpu model correctly.

    Downloads:
    Free Software: Prime95 download - PrimeNet You don't need to join or create a userID to download and run Prime95.
    For LinX and IBT downloads, go to Latest Overclocking Programs, System Info, Benchmarking, & Stability Tools, post #1

    Before you start your first Prime95 stress test, enable the Round off checking option:

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    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Well it can't be very stable at all because the system didn't POST first time today. Do you think I need to up the Vcore any more?
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