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Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 , For Some Rev. 1.2
Platforms: Dell Dimension 4550 3.06 Ghz P4 HT enabled
Dell Dimension 4500 2.80 Ghz P4
Addonics Host Controller 2-Port USB 3.0 PCI Controller AD2U3PCI
WD My Book Essential 1130 2TB USB 3.0 / 2.0 external drive
Transcend JF700 USB 3.0 16GB flashdrive
Transcend JF700 USB 3.0 32GB flashdrive
Operating Systems:
Windows XP SP3 with NECEL-USB3-Host-Driver-10170-setup - works flawlessly
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 with RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-21281-setup - problematic
Anything from 1 to 10 re-installations of USB 3.0 driver required for connection to take effect
Once achieved, connection is solid, can backup etc BUT lost on restart - [Definitely NOT USB 2.0 performance, tested]
Windows 8 Consumer Preview with Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 0096 (Microsoft) This driver is Native to WIN 8, when uninstalled , RE-installed automatically with 'Scan for Hardware Changes' or Restart
Anything from 0 to 6 re-installations of USB 3.0 driver required for connection to take effect
Once achieved, connection is solid, can backup etc BUT lost on restart - [Definitely NOT USB 2.0 performance, tested]
OBJECT: Demonstrate that problem lies with WIN 7 / WIN 8 - Once connected, that will let your Host Controller, USB 3.0 drivers and CHIPSET, off the hook
METHOD:
A. Use USB 2.0 - Until the Windows 7 team get their fingers out, time lost trying to make USB 3.0 work, better used with that (slower) Backup.
B: For those who want USB 3.0 to work and have the thrill of faster Access/BackUp
1. TOOLS: (USB 3.0 Host Controller PCI/PCI-e in your machine or on MotheBoard)
USB 3.0 Extention Cable (NOT 2.0), for ease of access(!)
USB 3.0 HDD External Drive AND/OR Flashdrive- USB 3 AND/OR USB 2**
[FlashDrive highly recommended for TroubleShooting]
** Host Controller and Ext. Cable can also handle USB 2.0, USB 1.1 - Part of WIN 7 weirdness is when connected, on occasion, USB 2.0 Flash Drive NOT recognised (although connection sound, LED, made) - Problem Not experienced with WIN 8 - Solution: Re-install driver - Step 2.(a)
2.(a) INSTALL USB 3.0 Host Conroller Software/Driver (see list below)
(specific to manufacturer of Card/MOtherBOard )
- IF WIN 8 - not necessary - Native/BuiltIn xHCI
REMOVE Flash Drive and/or External HDD - Devices - Inhibits/slows Install
*** IMPORTANT *** Switch OFF Windows Update OR Disconnect from Internet
Windows Update slows down/plays havoc with Install, drivers are on Disk
IF ' [[Your Device is ready to Use]' message not appear (WIN 7 only), re-install - Step 2.(a)
TIP*** Locate Downloaded Driver (Application) with Explorer and 'Send Shortcut to Desktop' - you may have to repeat re-install x no.Times
PLUG IN USB 3.0 Extension Cable (Otherwise you'll be on your knees, many,many times - unless it's a Laptop) to your USB 3.0 PORT
(b) PLUG IN USB 3.0 OR USB 2.0 FlashDrive - LED flashing, staying On, b-boing on speakers? - Good - Autoplay Window up? (might not be enabled) so check My Computer - Drive shown as 'Removable Drive'? - SUCCESS
3. ROUTINE for Multiple Attempts to coax WIN 7 into USB 3.0 connectivity:
REMOVE Flash Drive and/or External HDD - Devices Inhibit/slow Install
(a) Start/Control Panel/Hardware&Sound then OPEN Device Manager (leave open)
(b) Expand - Universal Serial Bus Controllers - (bottom or near to)
Locate - Renesas Electronics USB 3.0 Host Controller - [OR Other] (Ignore Root Hub)
Right click - select - Uninstall - Ok (If you tick box for 'delete driver', you'll need to re-install drivers) Step 2.(a)
REMOVE Flash Drive and/or External HDD
(c) Device Manager - Action (pull down menu) - Click on 'Update Driver Software..' / 'Scan for Hardware Changes'
What you want to see: [installing Device Driver Software] (Not shown WIN8)
Then: [Your Device is ready to Use] Good, but no guarantee of success - failure message?
(There are 'Intermediate' Stages eg. Led On/Sound But No autoplay/Drive shown)
Repeat Step 3.(b)
PLUG IN Flash Drive and/or External HDD - Connection? then - (see Step 2.(b))
IF NOT - REPEAT Step 3.(b) (As many times as you can bear, my limit - 10 times per session) ( 6 times for WIN 8)
(IF you're getting nowhere , re-install driver - Step 2.(a)
AVOID ReStarting/BOOT with USB 3.0 Devices Plugged in Port
it may slow things up
USB 3.00 Host Controller Software/Drivers tried on this Platform:
For example (you may have Mahufacturer other than NEC/Renesas)
NECEL-USB3-Host-Driver-10170-setup
RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-21190-setup
RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-21281-setup
USB3.0_allOS_2.1.27.0_PV
USB3.0_allOS_2.1.28.0_PV
USB3.0_allOS_2.1.28.1_PV (from Intel!)
renesas_nec_usb3_2.1.32.0 (www.station-drivers.com).exe) Also Lenovo
All tried and working on this PLATFORM (Using latest)
OPINION:
This is a controversial topic, only in the sense that searches reveal many users with this problem and apparent silence from Microsoft (not slagging off, I am a fan)
For Example: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/S...gquestion=true Microsoft Answers yields zilch for 'USB 3.0' search
The fact that Microsoft are now collaborating with Renesas (was NEC) on WIN 8 Native (builtin in O/S) driver:
Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 0096 driver means that it should work and any solution applied to WIN 7.
This cannot be a priority for Microsoft, only gentle pressure from users might help.
PROBLEM: Some Installations with WIN 7 don't encounter USB 3.0 bug, so:
BLAME: MOTHERBOARD / BIOS [Old PC after all] OR
Host Controller Hardware Card / Firmware OR
Host Controller Software/Drivers OR
OPERATING SYSTEM (o/s) AND even
CHIPSET [ Ivy Brridge etc. - That leaves most of us, far behind]
MY ARGUMENT and Simple Logic is:
IF USB 3.0 works flawlessly with WINDOWS XP
THEN Installations of WIN 7 and WIN 8 on the same Platform (Same Hardware),
which exhibit no other problems and are perfeclly stable, should work.
Once connection is established, USB 3.0 works flawlessly - no breaks or drops [Definitely NOT USB 2.0 performance, tested]
There are enough clues above, for someone knowledgeable to push the envelope along,
Putting it simply, WIN 7 / 8 are 'weak' in STARTING process even though Device Manager reports 'This device is working properly.'
It might reside at the Boot/Logon stage
BEWARE of 'Intermediate' Stage in Above Install/Re-Install Routine:
FlashDrive LED is on, Host Controller - 'This Device is woking properly' (Properties)
but no sound or Drive in Computer/Explorer - or Disk Drive in Device Manager persevere with Step 3.
[not impossible, but impractical to attempt with Ext. HDD with weak LED]
No guarantee that this Method Operandi will NOT harm your Windows O/S,
but This PLATFORM has suffered NO ill effects, after 1K+ attempts... WINDOWS is
pretty robust animal
Project started with Windows 7 install Nov'11
'It's like priming a pump, eventually less attempts are required (System learning?)
At no time has connection, once established, dropped on this PLATFORM and
(Disconnected). Set Disk Drive-Properties- Policies - Quick Removal (Default) in
Device Manager
"This is as RANDOM AS IT GETS" - Ed.
Possible clue: WIN 8 came up with this error in Device Manager (USB Mass Storage Device) - 'Port Reset Failed' - {Code 29) when Flashdrive plugged in on BOOT/LOGON
That's all folks
PS. What ever you do, don't mention the CHIPSET, I mentioned it once but i think i got away with it... (Oh no you didn't) {Courtersy of PCReview, Seven Forums)
May 14, 2012
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 For Some (this)
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 PART TWO - Continuing Quest
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 PART THREE - Interim Report
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 PART FOUR - Green Shoots
Links:
Part One: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...-3-0-some.html (here)
Part Two: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...ing-quest.html
Part Three: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...im-report.html
Part Four: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...tml#post427173
http://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-19413 for documents & Images
(Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 _Part_3a for snap a.)
(Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 _Part_3b for snap b.)
Platforms: Dell Dimension 4550 3.06 Ghz P4 HT enabled
Dell Dimension 4500 2.80 Ghz P4
Addonics Host Controller 2-Port USB 3.0 PCI Controller AD2U3PCI
WD My Book Essential 1130 2TB USB 3.0 / 2.0 external drive
Transcend JF700 USB 3.0 16GB flashdrive
Transcend JF700 USB 3.0 32GB flashdrive
Operating Systems:
Windows XP SP3 with NECEL-USB3-Host-Driver-10170-setup - works flawlessly
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 with RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-21281-setup - problematic
Anything from 1 to 10 re-installations of USB 3.0 driver required for connection to take effect
Once achieved, connection is solid, can backup etc BUT lost on restart - [Definitely NOT USB 2.0 performance, tested]
Windows 8 Consumer Preview with Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 0096 (Microsoft) This driver is Native to WIN 8, when uninstalled , RE-installed automatically with 'Scan for Hardware Changes' or Restart
Anything from 0 to 6 re-installations of USB 3.0 driver required for connection to take effect
Once achieved, connection is solid, can backup etc BUT lost on restart - [Definitely NOT USB 2.0 performance, tested]
OBJECT: Demonstrate that problem lies with WIN 7 / WIN 8 - Once connected, that will let your Host Controller, USB 3.0 drivers and CHIPSET, off the hook
METHOD:
A. Use USB 2.0 - Until the Windows 7 team get their fingers out, time lost trying to make USB 3.0 work, better used with that (slower) Backup.
B: For those who want USB 3.0 to work and have the thrill of faster Access/BackUp
1. TOOLS: (USB 3.0 Host Controller PCI/PCI-e in your machine or on MotheBoard)
USB 3.0 Extention Cable (NOT 2.0), for ease of access(!)
USB 3.0 HDD External Drive AND/OR Flashdrive- USB 3 AND/OR USB 2**
[FlashDrive highly recommended for TroubleShooting]
** Host Controller and Ext. Cable can also handle USB 2.0, USB 1.1 - Part of WIN 7 weirdness is when connected, on occasion, USB 2.0 Flash Drive NOT recognised (although connection sound, LED, made) - Problem Not experienced with WIN 8 - Solution: Re-install driver - Step 2.(a)
2.(a) INSTALL USB 3.0 Host Conroller Software/Driver (see list below)
(specific to manufacturer of Card/MOtherBOard )
- IF WIN 8 - not necessary - Native/BuiltIn xHCI
REMOVE Flash Drive and/or External HDD - Devices - Inhibits/slows Install
*** IMPORTANT *** Switch OFF Windows Update OR Disconnect from Internet
Windows Update slows down/plays havoc with Install, drivers are on Disk
IF ' [[Your Device is ready to Use]' message not appear (WIN 7 only), re-install - Step 2.(a)
TIP*** Locate Downloaded Driver (Application) with Explorer and 'Send Shortcut to Desktop' - you may have to repeat re-install x no.Times
PLUG IN USB 3.0 Extension Cable (Otherwise you'll be on your knees, many,many times - unless it's a Laptop) to your USB 3.0 PORT
(b) PLUG IN USB 3.0 OR USB 2.0 FlashDrive - LED flashing, staying On, b-boing on speakers? - Good - Autoplay Window up? (might not be enabled) so check My Computer - Drive shown as 'Removable Drive'? - SUCCESS
3. ROUTINE for Multiple Attempts to coax WIN 7 into USB 3.0 connectivity:
REMOVE Flash Drive and/or External HDD - Devices Inhibit/slow Install
(a) Start/Control Panel/Hardware&Sound then OPEN Device Manager (leave open)
(b) Expand - Universal Serial Bus Controllers - (bottom or near to)
Locate - Renesas Electronics USB 3.0 Host Controller - [OR Other] (Ignore Root Hub)
Right click - select - Uninstall - Ok (If you tick box for 'delete driver', you'll need to re-install drivers) Step 2.(a)
REMOVE Flash Drive and/or External HDD
(c) Device Manager - Action (pull down menu) - Click on 'Update Driver Software..' / 'Scan for Hardware Changes'
What you want to see: [installing Device Driver Software] (Not shown WIN8)
Then: [Your Device is ready to Use] Good, but no guarantee of success - failure message?
(There are 'Intermediate' Stages eg. Led On/Sound But No autoplay/Drive shown)
Repeat Step 3.(b)
PLUG IN Flash Drive and/or External HDD - Connection? then - (see Step 2.(b))
IF NOT - REPEAT Step 3.(b) (As many times as you can bear, my limit - 10 times per session) ( 6 times for WIN 8)
(IF you're getting nowhere , re-install driver - Step 2.(a)
AVOID ReStarting/BOOT with USB 3.0 Devices Plugged in Port
it may slow things up
USB 3.00 Host Controller Software/Drivers tried on this Platform:
For example (you may have Mahufacturer other than NEC/Renesas)
NECEL-USB3-Host-Driver-10170-setup
RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-21190-setup
RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-21281-setup
USB3.0_allOS_2.1.27.0_PV
USB3.0_allOS_2.1.28.0_PV
USB3.0_allOS_2.1.28.1_PV (from Intel!)
renesas_nec_usb3_2.1.32.0 (www.station-drivers.com).exe) Also Lenovo
All tried and working on this PLATFORM (Using latest)
OPINION:
This is a controversial topic, only in the sense that searches reveal many users with this problem and apparent silence from Microsoft (not slagging off, I am a fan)
For Example: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/S...gquestion=true Microsoft Answers yields zilch for 'USB 3.0' search
The fact that Microsoft are now collaborating with Renesas (was NEC) on WIN 8 Native (builtin in O/S) driver:
Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 0096 driver means that it should work and any solution applied to WIN 7.
This cannot be a priority for Microsoft, only gentle pressure from users might help.
PROBLEM: Some Installations with WIN 7 don't encounter USB 3.0 bug, so:
BLAME: MOTHERBOARD / BIOS [Old PC after all] OR
Host Controller Hardware Card / Firmware OR
Host Controller Software/Drivers OR
OPERATING SYSTEM (o/s) AND even
CHIPSET [ Ivy Brridge etc. - That leaves most of us, far behind]
MY ARGUMENT and Simple Logic is:
IF USB 3.0 works flawlessly with WINDOWS XP
THEN Installations of WIN 7 and WIN 8 on the same Platform (Same Hardware),
which exhibit no other problems and are perfeclly stable, should work.
Once connection is established, USB 3.0 works flawlessly - no breaks or drops [Definitely NOT USB 2.0 performance, tested]
There are enough clues above, for someone knowledgeable to push the envelope along,
Putting it simply, WIN 7 / 8 are 'weak' in STARTING process even though Device Manager reports 'This device is working properly.'
It might reside at the Boot/Logon stage
BEWARE of 'Intermediate' Stage in Above Install/Re-Install Routine:
FlashDrive LED is on, Host Controller - 'This Device is woking properly' (Properties)
but no sound or Drive in Computer/Explorer - or Disk Drive in Device Manager persevere with Step 3.
[not impossible, but impractical to attempt with Ext. HDD with weak LED]
No guarantee that this Method Operandi will NOT harm your Windows O/S,
but This PLATFORM has suffered NO ill effects, after 1K+ attempts... WINDOWS is
pretty robust animal
Project started with Windows 7 install Nov'11
'It's like priming a pump, eventually less attempts are required (System learning?)
At no time has connection, once established, dropped on this PLATFORM and
(Disconnected). Set Disk Drive-Properties- Policies - Quick Removal (Default) in
Device Manager
"This is as RANDOM AS IT GETS" - Ed.
Possible clue: WIN 8 came up with this error in Device Manager (USB Mass Storage Device) - 'Port Reset Failed' - {Code 29) when Flashdrive plugged in on BOOT/LOGON
That's all folks
PS. What ever you do, don't mention the CHIPSET, I mentioned it once but i think i got away with it... (Oh no you didn't) {Courtersy of PCReview, Seven Forums)
May 14, 2012
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 For Some (this)
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 PART TWO - Continuing Quest
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 PART THREE - Interim Report
Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 PART FOUR - Green Shoots
Links:
Part One: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...-3-0-some.html (here)
Part Two: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...ing-quest.html
Part Three: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...im-report.html
Part Four: http://forums.tweaktown.com/windows/...tml#post427173
http://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-19413 for documents & Images
(Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 _Part_3a for snap a.)
(Windows 7 PROBLEM with USB 3.0 _Part_3b for snap b.)
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