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  • GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

    I had the system set up with the Base Clock @ 100, CPU Clock Ration @ 45, X.M.P @ Profile1 (8GB of Mushkin 1600 C8 @1.5v), PWM Phase Control @ eXm Perf, Vcore Response @ Fast, Vcore LLC @ High, CPU Vcore @ Normal and DVID @ +0.010v). All the other settings are @ the Optimized Defaults. The system seemed to be stable, meaning, it ran Prime 95 for over 4 hours with no issues and I never encounter any WHEA events. Schwab's StreetSmart Edge program ran with no issues. I have since physically changed the RAM to 8GB of Gskill RipJaws 2400 C10 @1.65V. All seemed well the system ran Prime 95 for over 4 hours with no issues and no WHEA events.

    However, when I tried run Schwab's StreetSmart Edge program on this system it crashed with WHEA events. I don't have any idea what the #$%^ the program is doing since it does not come close to taxing the CPU. I increased the DVID to +0.015v and the problem went away.

    Several questions:
    Could the faster RAM be causing the WHEA event when running the StreetSmart Edge program? Is there some voltage setting I could change to force the system to better handle the faster RAM?

    Why when I change the DVID setting from =0.010 to 0.015 to 0.020v I do not see a change in CPU Voltage (as reported by CPUz)? The voltage under load (IBT 10 passes 8 threads) stays at 1.296 and 1.308V. Should I be playing with the CPU PLL or some other voltage setting to get more stability headroom?

  • #2
    Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

    you'll only see a change in voltage when cpu is stressed,the offset voltage only kicks in under load

    you can try with 1.65v cpu pll,and maybe 1.10v cpu/vtt for your 2400mhz ram speed

    if you need more offset then something somewhere is taxing the system more than it was before,another good test for whea errors is gaming,you can be ibt/prime95 stable at much lower voltage yet when it comes to playing games they crash to desktop and you'll find you need a fair few clicks more offset to be 0 whea error free and stop the crashes to desktop,esp cpu parity 19 warning/error's
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    • #3
      Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

      Why when I change the DVID setting from =0.010 to 0.015 to 0.020v I do not see a change in CPU Voltage (as reported by CPUz)? The voltage under load (IBT 10 passes 8 threads) stays at 1.296 and 1.308V.
      That's my question - I don't see any voltage change when the system is under 100% load. It does not seem to make a difference whether the DVID is +0.010 or +0.020 the voltage reported by CPUz under 100% load is always 1.296 or 1.308v. Seems like I should see at least a minor increase in voltage reported?

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      • #4
        Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

        try reflashing the same bios again and re enter oc settings

        you should see a difference,seemslike it's not applying the changes
        Gigabyte z77x UP4-TH F11c Modded Bios
        Intel i7 3770k 24/[email protected] 1.38v Turbo llc +0.165v dvid multithreading enabled
        Samsung Green(MV-3V4G3D/US) 8GB @2133mhz 9-10-10-21-1t 1.55v
        Thermalright Silver Arrow Cpu Cooler
        1xSamsung 840 pro 256 Gb SSD windows 8.1 pro 64bit
        1xSamsung f4 HD204UI 2tb hard drive Storage
        Powercolor 7970 3gb V3 @1150mhz core/1700mhz mem,1.150v Accelero aftermarket air cooler 55c max
        Razer Lycosa Keyboard
        Logitech X-530 5.1 Speakers
        Lite-On iHAS124-19 24x Sata DVDRW
        K-World Hybrid DVB-T 210SE Digital T.V Card
        L.G E2260V L.E.D 1920x1080 Monitor
        Xfx Pro 750w silver rated Psu 80+
        Fractal Arc Midi Case

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        • #5
          Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

          I've re-flashed the 15q BIOS so many times I think I have worn it out! It seems every time I change hardware I either have to Clear CMOS and or re-flash the BIOS. So...I moved on to the latest beta version 16c. It appears to work as advertised. When I play with the DVID setting the CPU Voltage changes as it should and as a bonus I have a mouse that works in the BIOS! If, or when, this version of the BIOS starts doing strange things I will go back to F14 and leave it alone?!

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          • #6
            Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

            you might have to power off the pc for a minute or two,then startup and the settings should apply,ive heard that on another forum

            it's upto you whatever bios works best for you

            for me on the up4 th the latest final bios works best but might be different for different models
            Gigabyte z77x UP4-TH F11c Modded Bios
            Intel i7 3770k 24/[email protected] 1.38v Turbo llc +0.165v dvid multithreading enabled
            Samsung Green(MV-3V4G3D/US) 8GB @2133mhz 9-10-10-21-1t 1.55v
            Thermalright Silver Arrow Cpu Cooler
            1xSamsung 840 pro 256 Gb SSD windows 8.1 pro 64bit
            1xSamsung f4 HD204UI 2tb hard drive Storage
            Powercolor 7970 3gb V3 @1150mhz core/1700mhz mem,1.150v Accelero aftermarket air cooler 55c max
            Razer Lycosa Keyboard
            Logitech X-530 5.1 Speakers
            Lite-On iHAS124-19 24x Sata DVDRW
            K-World Hybrid DVB-T 210SE Digital T.V Card
            L.G E2260V L.E.D 1920x1080 Monitor
            Xfx Pro 750w silver rated Psu 80+
            Fractal Arc Midi Case

            http://i38.tinypic.com/14myvfa.jpg x58 ud5 <=3.8ghz + 4.2ghz Overclock Template!!
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            • #7
              Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

              Follow up on my stability issues:
              BIOS F16c seems to hang in there, I have not had to re-flash or clear CMOS and I have changed the hardware configuration several times.
              Went back to using my trusted Mushkin Ridgeback 1600-C8 memory since the system wanted .015 more Vcore to achieve stability with the GSkill 2400 C10 memory.
              The 3770K ran 10 passes of IBT a couple of seconds faster with the 2400 versus the 1600 memory but it also ran ~2C (83C on hottest core) hotter.

              So I'm back to LLC=High and DVID +0.010. CPUz says the CPU voltage peaks at ~1.308V versus 1.320V with the DVID @+0.025 needed for the 2400 memory. I know you cannot believe everything you see on the internet but my CPU seems a little sub-par when it comes to voltage and temps running IBT at 4.5GHz OR them ASUS MB's run a little better?
              Last edited by Ken429; 08-10-2013, 05:25 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                its not too bad voltage/temp wise,its down to what chip you get on the silicon lottery
                Gigabyte z77x UP4-TH F11c Modded Bios
                Intel i7 3770k 24/[email protected] 1.38v Turbo llc +0.165v dvid multithreading enabled
                Samsung Green(MV-3V4G3D/US) 8GB @2133mhz 9-10-10-21-1t 1.55v
                Thermalright Silver Arrow Cpu Cooler
                1xSamsung 840 pro 256 Gb SSD windows 8.1 pro 64bit
                1xSamsung f4 HD204UI 2tb hard drive Storage
                Powercolor 7970 3gb V3 @1150mhz core/1700mhz mem,1.150v Accelero aftermarket air cooler 55c max
                Razer Lycosa Keyboard
                Logitech X-530 5.1 Speakers
                Lite-On iHAS124-19 24x Sata DVDRW
                K-World Hybrid DVB-T 210SE Digital T.V Card
                L.G E2260V L.E.D 1920x1080 Monitor
                Xfx Pro 750w silver rated Psu 80+
                Fractal Arc Midi Case

                http://i38.tinypic.com/14myvfa.jpg x58 ud5 <=3.8ghz + 4.2ghz Overclock Template!!
                http://www.youtube.com/user/warren304#p/u Visit Me On Youtube

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                • #9
                  Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                  Still having issues with WHEA errors when running Schwab's SSE trading program when the CPU Frequency is set to 45. It did not seem to help adding voltage via the DVID. So...I gave up on the BIOS 16c and went back to BIOS F14 but I still had the WHEA errors when the CPU frequency was set at 45! So...I tried Disabling C3/C6 and setting the DVID back to +0.000V. IBT runs 10 passes with no errors and the system runs SSE without WHEA errors - at least today! So...it looks like the drawback to Disabling C3/C6 is the system Idles at exactly 1.032V versus ~1.000V when C3/C6 was Enabled. Also it looks like the system idle temperature is several degrees C higher. But the Maximum Core Temps when running IBT is ~3C cooler. Overclockers - Does any of this make sense?
                  Last edited by Ken429; 08-13-2013, 09:27 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                    I didn't think c3/c6 would have an affect on whea errors,with mine just throwing more dvid/offset at it cures them,but that's trickier on a non delidded chip as temps are an issue with increased voltage

                    but if c3/c6 disabled cures it then leave it at that,it does have something to do with low power state,normally it would be below 1v at idle and now its slightly more hence the higher idle temps,no idea on what affect it has on load temps
                    Gigabyte z77x UP4-TH F11c Modded Bios
                    Intel i7 3770k 24/[email protected] 1.38v Turbo llc +0.165v dvid multithreading enabled
                    Samsung Green(MV-3V4G3D/US) 8GB @2133mhz 9-10-10-21-1t 1.55v
                    Thermalright Silver Arrow Cpu Cooler
                    1xSamsung 840 pro 256 Gb SSD windows 8.1 pro 64bit
                    1xSamsung f4 HD204UI 2tb hard drive Storage
                    Powercolor 7970 3gb V3 @1150mhz core/1700mhz mem,1.150v Accelero aftermarket air cooler 55c max
                    Razer Lycosa Keyboard
                    Logitech X-530 5.1 Speakers
                    Lite-On iHAS124-19 24x Sata DVDRW
                    K-World Hybrid DVB-T 210SE Digital T.V Card
                    L.G E2260V L.E.D 1920x1080 Monitor
                    Xfx Pro 750w silver rated Psu 80+
                    Fractal Arc Midi Case

                    http://i38.tinypic.com/14myvfa.jpg x58 ud5 <=3.8ghz + 4.2ghz Overclock Template!!
                    http://www.youtube.com/user/warren304#p/u Visit Me On Youtube

                    Lots Of Gaming Videos With X58 Ud5 System And Gpu On My Youtube Channel!!
                    Just Uploaded New Battlefield 4 Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                      Looks like I may get a slight increase in SSD performance turning off the power saving C-States. At least, maybe, I get something for the increased idle temperatures.
                      Effect of Power Saving features on SSD speed

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                      • #12
                        Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                        Originally posted by Ken429 View Post
                        Looks like I may get a slight increase in SSD performance turning off the power saving C-States. At least, maybe, I get something for the increased idle temperatures.
                        Effect of Power Saving features on SSD speed
                        That is highly dependent on the motherboard. I did some testing last year with the UD5H and my best SSD speeds were when the C states were on Auto.
                        I would encourage you to do your own testing and see what you get with C states on Auto; Enabled; & Disabled.
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                        • #13
                          Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                          I ran AS SSD and ATTO on my system (OCZ Vertex 3 120GB) and the unofficial results seem to agree with the Overclockers link I provide above.

                          C3/C6 Enabled AS SSD Score 396 - Disabled 443

                          C3/C6 Enabled ATTO 8192 Write 517465, Read 552841 - Disabled Write 523776, Read 554109
                          The ATTO scores were higher for all the reads and writes by about the same percentage.

                          So it looks like the GA-Z77X-UD5H acts like the ASUS MB in the thread. But all I really cared about is the WHEA errors go away when I Disable C3/C4.
                          Last edited by Ken429; 08-16-2013, 04:50 AM. Reason: Senior Moment!

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                          • #14
                            Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                            Originally posted by Ken429 View Post
                            I ran AS SSD and ATTO on my system (OCZ Vertex 3 120GB) and the unofficial results seem to agree with the Overclockers link I provide above.

                            C3/C6 Enabled AS SSD Score 396 - Disabled 443

                            C3/C6 Enabled ATTO 8192 Write 517465, Read 552841 - Disabled Write 523776, Read 554109
                            The ATTO scores were higher for all the reads and writes by about the same percentage.

                            So it looks like the GA-Z77X-UP5D acts like the ASUS MB in the thread. But all I really cared about is the WHEA errors go away when I Disable C3/C4.
                            But did you try on Auto? I know the best scores I got with my board was C states Auto.
                            Anyway if it works for you that's what counts.

                            Don't believe I ever heard of a GA-Z77X-UP5D. I have two Z77X UD5H which is what I tested on.
                            Maximus 8 Hero/6700K @ 4.8/4x4GB LPX @ 3200 15-17-17-36 CR1
                            Case Labs SM8 w/dual pedestals / Custom water w/ acrylic pipe / Light box
                            PowerColor 390Xw/EK block / Samsung 840 Pro 256GBx2 RAID 0 / 128GBx1 SSD's | 3 HDD's / DVD burner
                            Dual Aquaero 5 Pro controllers for pumps & fans / FC9 for led's only 2xD5 pwm w/Bitspower tops - MCP35x2 - 3x480 rads/1x240 rad/AP15 fans / EK supremcy
                            Seasonic Platinum 1000w custom fabbed/sleeved psu wiring by me

                            Wifes: Z77X-UD5H / 3770K w/c with Raystorm copper block & 2 Rads/ Kingston HyperX RAM / Switch 810 case/ PowerColor AX7950 w/EK block
                            HTPC: Z68 Pro3 M / 2105

                            SOLD:Z97X-UD5H /4790K/F11b mod BIOS/[email protected] 4x4GB Kingston Genesis KHX24C11X3K4 2400 RAM 11-13-13-30
                            SOLD:Z87X-UD5H /4770K

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                            • #15
                              Re: GA-Z77X-UD5H/3770K Stability question(s).

                              OK, I put the correct MB back in the case and ran ATTO and AS SSD on Auto (which is the default setting where I started).

                              The results with C3/C6 set on Auto were AS SSD Score 404 and ATTO Write 514984, Read 554109.

                              Maybe just needle quiver but the C3/C6 Auto results were lower that the Disable results - except the 554109 Read.

                              So at least on my configuration "Disable" shows the best SSD performance AND gets rid of the WHEA errors. The only drawback is the CPU idles 4-5C hotter. Just an aside, with the C3/C6 set to Auto the WHEA errors came back with a vengeance, in fact, IE 10 stopped working trying to enter this post because of a WHEA error. Have you go any ideas on how to fix this issue? I have tried increasing the voltage from +0.000 up to +0.025 (LLC set to High) which got the Vcore up to 1.32V under load and still got WHEA errors on one program - Schwab's Streetsmart Edge which uses very little CPU cycles! The system would run IBT and Prime95 with no issues! Is there some other voltage setting I should be playing with that will help stabilize the system when the Vcore jumps from <1.0 at idle to 1.30+ when the multiplier changes from 16 to 45 or whatever? It seem the system is ok as long as the voltage is not jumping around to save energy.

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