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    Default Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    My motherboard is a 5 year old Asus P5Q3 Deluxe running an Intel Q9550 quad core CPU (NO OC'ing) and have been running Windows 7 64 bit Pro from a Velociraptor for OS and programs, data being stored on other drives. To postpone a rebuild of this computer but speed up the loading of Photoshop, Capture One Pro and some other hoggish programs, I decided to swap the Velociraptor OS/Program drive for a Samsung 840 Pro SSD.

    I went into the BIOS and switched the SATA drives to AHCI, also editing the registry Msachi and IastorV values to support the AHCI and the three SATA drives are working great. Then I connected the SSD to a USB 2.0 port and to an external SATA power source and used the latest OEM Samsung migration software to clone the OS/Program drive which appeared to go smoothly. Next I connected the SSD via SATA cable to an empty port and ran the Samsung Magician software to check for firmware update (none needed). Also, I used the Magician software to tweak Windows specifically for the SSD instead of a HDD and double checked that all items had been changed. After powering down and swapping the SSD for the Velociraptor and rebooting, it would only get as far as finishing the POST and all that appeared on the screen was a blinking single hyphen or underscore line in the upper left corner, otherwise the screen was black -- would NOT boot up.

    I compared the folders and numerous various files in the folders and they appeared to be exactly the same on the SSD as on the OS/Program HDD.

    Is it possible that this motherboard is simply too old to be able to handle an SSD? Any suggestions as what to try next IF it still should be able to handle the SSD?

    Thoughts/opinions??

    Thanks,

    MikeSp

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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    are you setting the ssd as first boot device in the bios? if not it will try to boot from another drive

    boot from your windows disc and try a startup repair

    the ssd will work,its backwards compatible for sata2
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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by wazza300 View Post
    are you setting the ssd as first boot device in the bios? if not it will try to boot from another drive

    boot from your windows disc and try a startup repair

    the ssd will work,its backwards compatible for sata2
    I have now tried using the Samsung OEM migration software and re-cloned the SSD using a SATA2 port instead of USB and used a new SATA cable, yes, I set the SSD as the first boot device in the BIOS -- still nothing after POST, also re-enabled the regular HDD boot drive and the SSD as the only other SATA drive and found it, could read files from the SSD which appeared to have the same folders and files as the regular HDD boot drive with Win7 Pro. I set the DVD-ROM as the second boot drive and did as you suggested and placed the Win7 disk in it figuring that the computer would look to the DVD-ROM since it could not boot from the 1st boot drive (SSD) and NOPE, the DVD-ROM spun up briefly but Windows refused to start up to make the potential repair. sigh...

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    MikeSp

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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    I think you can press one of the f buttons at splash screen to bring up the boot menu,then choose dvd drive to boot from and do a repair?
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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    You might be able to successfully clone your hard drive's O/S partition (or drive) to your ssd using Macrium Reflect freeware.
    My preference is to run Reflect from a bootable winPE or Linux CD/DVD instead of running Reflect within windows.
    Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download

    As a quick and dirty temporary test, I'll clone my current win7 x64 Home Premium SP1 830 ssd boot partition to my brand new 840 Pro ssd using Reflect and see if it is successful. This can't be a permanent setup for me because I will be using both systems.

    I have a brand new Samsung 840 Pro 256GB ssd that I will be installing in my Gigabyte P35-DS4 (rev: 2.0) Q9650 system in several days. I will be using windows sysprep.exe to "deploy" the boot drive from my P35-DS3L (on a Samsung 830 128GB ssd) to my 840 Pro ssd.

    This deployed O/S copy should be a nearly identical bootable copy with all installed programs copied to the new SSD, except that I will need to activate windows as soon as the new system boots and create a different computer name and fill in the other settings that are required with a new O/S installation. If this works, I will post the step by step sysprep procedure. I think that I will "lose" most of my former desktop shortcut icons using this procedure. If this procedure works for you, it might be necessary to call Microsoft tech support explain why you are trying to "re-use" an existing windows product key with your new O/S ssd.

    You can do a web search using: sysprep and you will find several excellent tutorials and youtube guides.
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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- SOLVED

    I tried all suggestions and even reinstalled the original C:/ (OS and programs) HDD and tried to restore it using a full (not incremental) Acronis backup from when everything was working great, which totally trashed Windows -- could not even boot to the Windows disk and do a repair. This is the third time in several years that Acronis in one version or another has let me down. Since I had to do a fresh install of everything, I swapped the HDD for the SSD that had been securely erased and reloaded everything from scratch and except for tweaking (and trying to remember how the more difficult programs like Photoshop and Capture One Pro were customized), everything is now working fine -- just need to spend a couple dozen hours customizing software and trying to remember which plugins I had in Photoshop, etc.

    Thanks for all of your suggestions -- they were very much appreciated.

    Mike

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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    Check out both of these threads where Macrium Reflect free was easy to use and worked well:

    I'll post my results using Reflect to copy my O/S partition from my 128GB ssd to my new 256GB ssd shortly.
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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post
    My motherboard is a 5 year old Asus P5Q3 Deluxe running an Intel Q9550 quad core CPU (NO OC'ing) and have been running Windows 7 64 bit Pro from a Velociraptor for OS and programs, data being stored on other drives. To postpone a rebuild of this computer but speed up the loading of Photoshop, Capture One Pro and some other hoggish programs, I decided to swap the Velociraptor OS/Program drive for a Samsung 840 Pro SSD.

    I went into the BIOS and switched the SATA drives to AHCI, also editing the registry Msachi and IastorV values to support the AHCI and the three SATA drives are working great. Then I connected the SSD to a USB 2.0 port and to an external SATA power source and used the latest OEM Samsung migration software to clone the OS/Program drive which appeared to go smoothly. Next I connected the SSD via SATA cable to an empty port and ran the Samsung Magician software to check for firmware update (none needed). Also, I used the Magician software to tweak Windows specifically for the SSD instead of a HDD and double checked that all items had been changed. After powering down and swapping the SSD for the Velociraptor and rebooting, it would only get as far as finishing the POST and all that appeared on the screen was a blinking single hyphen or underscore line in the upper left corner, otherwise the screen was black -- would NOT boot up.

    I compared the folders and numerous various files in the folders and they appeared to be exactly the same on the SSD as on the OS/Program HDD.

    Is it possible that this motherboard is simply too old to be able to handle an SSD? Any suggestions as what to try next IF it still should be able to handle the SSD?

    Thoughts/opinions??

    Thanks,

    MikeSp
    I used the Samsung cloning software recently and it worked fine, complete in five minutes and the target SSD worked perfectly from the first reboot of the PC afterwards.

    Two things you said worry me, one the change to AHCI mode which seemed recent, and using a USB port for the cloning process. Yes, it does not say you cannot use a USB connection, but the two interfaces (SATA and USB) are so different, errors would not surprise me.

    The SSD should work on your board, as long as you are using the Intel ICH10R chipset SATA ports. That's the same Intel SATA chip used on X58 boards. I used multiple Samsung 830s in RAID 0 on my X58/ICH10R board as the OS volume for over a year without any issues.

    The other Marvell and Silicon Image chips I would avoid like the plague for use with a SSD.

    Intel IRST drivers still support the ICH10R chipset up to version 11.7, released late last year (2012.) It seems support was stopped due to Windows 8, or other incompatibilities with the latest IRST 12 drivers.

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    Default Re: Cannot get SSD to work -- HELP!!

    I connected my old and new ssd's to the sata2 motherboard connectors and it was easy to clone my O/S partition using Macrium Reflect. My new ssd booted fine on my old system and there were no problems. For this test, I ran Reflect from windows instead of using the Reflect winPE dvd just to see if it would work. My preference is to run Reflect from the dvd when backing up any partitions.
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    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
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    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
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    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
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    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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