It's the 512bit bus saving the day for the old 285, but it's ageing fast these days, ie. no dx11. I've been looking to replace it with a 460perhaps, but I'm not convinced yet, maybe I'll wait one more round.
OK Darkje, I'll take up your "challenge".
Clearly your GTX 285 (GDDR3) at 756/1620/1350Mhz. Core/Shader/Mem setup beats my brute force approach with my GDDR5 460 Hawk, but hopefully only for a little while longer. Let me check, your gpu o/c is 16.7% and your memory/shader o/c is 9.5%. OK, that means that I'll try ...... oh wait a minute, I think that a saw several reviews where the 285 bested the 460 in a couple of benchmarks.
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P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9._______________.Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500 @4-4-4-10 _ZM-MFC2 controller, watt meter & temp probes
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card.______ ____.Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080]
Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ____ ___ __ .Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB._____ ___ .win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot)___HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
~~~~~ _______________________________________ U.P.S. -- CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
SLI --> MSI N460TTX Hawk + Hawk Talon Attack ~~ E6850 @ 3.30GHz ~~ Antec TP-750 New (750watts)
N650SLI-DS4 (rev 1.0) ~~ Mushkin 996599 2x2GB Blackline @ 856MHz (4-4-4-12) ~~ win7-x64 SP1 HP
OCZ Agility2 60GB SSD2-2AGTE60G 34nm_(boot) ~~ HT|Omega Striker sound card
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ Antec Two Hundred case ~~ shared monitor & speakers
<> compromise and do it my way <>_ _++ I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong ++
I love mankind, it's people I can't stand_#%@$&*+!~ el cheapo psu....
Loading OPTIMIZED bios defaults is REQUIRED before you tweak your bios settings.
This includes new system setups and immediately after flashing your bios!!!
Prime95 Stress Testing How-To Tutorial from Playtool.com (link)
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results (thread)
new SSD: OCZ Agility2 60GB (Extended Capacity) (thread)
Asynchronous vs. Synchronous NAND Flash SSD Performance (links)
It's the 512bit bus saving the day for the old 285, but it's ageing fast these days, ie. no dx11. I've been looking to replace it with a 460perhaps, but I'm not convinced yet, maybe I'll wait one more round.
- Z68X-UD3H-B3(rev 1.3), bios F12
- I5-2500k [3148C059], cooled by scythe mugen2 rev.b with 1500rpm pwm-fan on cpufan header.
- 8G(2x4G) Corsair Vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1600C9W,Low profile/Low voltage, DDR1600/C9-1.35v. Slots 1&2.
- 16G(4x4G) Samsung M378B5273DH0-CH9 1333 @ 2133-c11. w1.55v
- Seasonic M12D SS850-EM , 850W Semi-Modular PSU with 80A at 12V.
- 2x EVGA GeForce GTX285-1GB in SLi, 4x 6pin power and bridge connected.[PCIEX_16 and PCIEX_8]
- Hauppauge HVR2200 PCIE 1x tv-tuner card.[PCIEX1_3]
- Intel controller in raid mode.
- 2x WD 500G blacks in raid0 on intel port 0-1.
- 1x WD 1000G black on intel port 2.
- 1x OCZ Vertex2 (32nm) on intel port 3.
- 1x Optiarc DVDRW on intel port 4.
- 1x Samsung 500G on marvell port 0.
- 24" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, lower HDMI port.
- 17" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, upper HDMI port.
- 19" LCD tv @ intel/onboard HDMI.
- 4ch analoge speakers, cambridge dtt set.
- internal spdif header connected to Geforce 0.
- front usb connected.
- front ac97 connected.
- front cardreader (usb) connected.
- rear 4x usb bracket.
- ms media keyboard, ms comfort mouse. usb, wired.
- w7x64-sp1.
Hmmm..... a 460 SLI setup seems to be one of the best setups for the price.
Does your mobo have 2 pci-e slots? A new 460 for your primary card and your 285 for PhysX.
But what do I know, I just updated from a 7600GT to my 460 Hawk.
Come to think of it, I think that I flunked physx in high school, or may it was spelling. :)
_/\ /\ /\ /\ guru in training (for life) /\ /\ /\ /\ ______~~ we get too soon old and too late smart ~~
E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] __ ________Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler
P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9._______________.Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500 @4-4-4-10 _ZM-MFC2 controller, watt meter & temp probes
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card.______ ____.Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080]
Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ____ ___ __ .Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB._____ ___ .win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot)___HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
~~~~~ _______________________________________ U.P.S. -- CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
SLI --> MSI N460TTX Hawk + Hawk Talon Attack ~~ E6850 @ 3.30GHz ~~ Antec TP-750 New (750watts)
N650SLI-DS4 (rev 1.0) ~~ Mushkin 996599 2x2GB Blackline @ 856MHz (4-4-4-12) ~~ win7-x64 SP1 HP
OCZ Agility2 60GB SSD2-2AGTE60G 34nm_(boot) ~~ HT|Omega Striker sound card
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ Antec Two Hundred case ~~ shared monitor & speakers
<> compromise and do it my way <>_ _++ I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong ++
I love mankind, it's people I can't stand_#%@$&*+!~ el cheapo psu....
Loading OPTIMIZED bios defaults is REQUIRED before you tweak your bios settings.
This includes new system setups and immediately after flashing your bios!!!
Prime95 Stress Testing How-To Tutorial from Playtool.com (link)
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results (thread)
new SSD: OCZ Agility2 60GB (Extended Capacity) (thread)
Asynchronous vs. Synchronous NAND Flash SSD Performance (links)
Yeah that was what I was thinking of... the mobo has the slots and is sli/xfire certified, but will run pci-e at 2x8 I think. I could try and pick up a 2nd hand 285 too, it will be cheap and fast for dx9&10 but still no dx11...
On the other hand, budget is tight atm., not doing much gaming lately, and seeing sandybrige on the the horizon... mmm... choices, choices...
- Z68X-UD3H-B3(rev 1.3), bios F12
- I5-2500k [3148C059], cooled by scythe mugen2 rev.b with 1500rpm pwm-fan on cpufan header.
- 8G(2x4G) Corsair Vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1600C9W,Low profile/Low voltage, DDR1600/C9-1.35v. Slots 1&2.
- 16G(4x4G) Samsung M378B5273DH0-CH9 1333 @ 2133-c11. w1.55v
- Seasonic M12D SS850-EM , 850W Semi-Modular PSU with 80A at 12V.
- 2x EVGA GeForce GTX285-1GB in SLi, 4x 6pin power and bridge connected.[PCIEX_16 and PCIEX_8]
- Hauppauge HVR2200 PCIE 1x tv-tuner card.[PCIEX1_3]
- Intel controller in raid mode.
- 2x WD 500G blacks in raid0 on intel port 0-1.
- 1x WD 1000G black on intel port 2.
- 1x OCZ Vertex2 (32nm) on intel port 3.
- 1x Optiarc DVDRW on intel port 4.
- 1x Samsung 500G on marvell port 0.
- 24" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, lower HDMI port.
- 17" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, upper HDMI port.
- 19" LCD tv @ intel/onboard HDMI.
- 4ch analoge speakers, cambridge dtt set.
- internal spdif header connected to Geforce 0.
- front usb connected.
- front ac97 connected.
- front cardreader (usb) connected.
- rear 4x usb bracket.
- ms media keyboard, ms comfort mouse. usb, wired.
- w7x64-sp1.
Well it looks like my system will kick your system's butt when it comes to DX11 benchmarks, for a while at least....![]()
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_/\ /\ /\ /\ guru in training (for life) /\ /\ /\ /\ ______~~ we get too soon old and too late smart ~~
E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] __ ________Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler
P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9._______________.Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500 @4-4-4-10 _ZM-MFC2 controller, watt meter & temp probes
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card.______ ____.Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080]
Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ____ ___ __ .Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB._____ ___ .win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot)___HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
~~~~~ _______________________________________ U.P.S. -- CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
SLI --> MSI N460TTX Hawk + Hawk Talon Attack ~~ E6850 @ 3.30GHz ~~ Antec TP-750 New (750watts)
N650SLI-DS4 (rev 1.0) ~~ Mushkin 996599 2x2GB Blackline @ 856MHz (4-4-4-12) ~~ win7-x64 SP1 HP
OCZ Agility2 60GB SSD2-2AGTE60G 34nm_(boot) ~~ HT|Omega Striker sound card
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ Antec Two Hundred case ~~ shared monitor & speakers
<> compromise and do it my way <>_ _++ I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong ++
I love mankind, it's people I can't stand_#%@$&*+!~ el cheapo psu....
Loading OPTIMIZED bios defaults is REQUIRED before you tweak your bios settings.
This includes new system setups and immediately after flashing your bios!!!
Prime95 Stress Testing How-To Tutorial from Playtool.com (link)
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results (thread)
new SSD: OCZ Agility2 60GB (Extended Capacity) (thread)
Asynchronous vs. Synchronous NAND Flash SSD Performance (links)
Yesin that department you will be faster for now. I kind of expected the 460 to do roughly the same as the 285, but it seems like it's a little bit slower on the stuff we can compare.
Have to add the x3tc bench just loves cpu cycles, so I guess that is where some of the difference came from.
- Z68X-UD3H-B3(rev 1.3), bios F12
- I5-2500k [3148C059], cooled by scythe mugen2 rev.b with 1500rpm pwm-fan on cpufan header.
- 8G(2x4G) Corsair Vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1600C9W,Low profile/Low voltage, DDR1600/C9-1.35v. Slots 1&2.
- 16G(4x4G) Samsung M378B5273DH0-CH9 1333 @ 2133-c11. w1.55v
- Seasonic M12D SS850-EM , 850W Semi-Modular PSU with 80A at 12V.
- 2x EVGA GeForce GTX285-1GB in SLi, 4x 6pin power and bridge connected.[PCIEX_16 and PCIEX_8]
- Hauppauge HVR2200 PCIE 1x tv-tuner card.[PCIEX1_3]
- Intel controller in raid mode.
- 2x WD 500G blacks in raid0 on intel port 0-1.
- 1x WD 1000G black on intel port 2.
- 1x OCZ Vertex2 (32nm) on intel port 3.
- 1x Optiarc DVDRW on intel port 4.
- 1x Samsung 500G on marvell port 0.
- 24" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, lower HDMI port.
- 17" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, upper HDMI port.
- 19" LCD tv @ intel/onboard HDMI.
- 4ch analoge speakers, cambridge dtt set.
- internal spdif header connected to Geforce 0.
- front usb connected.
- front ac97 connected.
- front cardreader (usb) connected.
- rear 4x usb bracket.
- ms media keyboard, ms comfort mouse. usb, wired.
- w7x64-sp1.
OK, I'm totally humbled by graphics overclocking.
It seemed too good to be true that my first stable efforts were a bit better than many of the Hawk reviews.
Apparently overclocking and testing with DX9 is relatively easy, DX10 and DX11 are far more picky.
I won't bore you with my trials and tribulations.
Enclosed are four DX11 Heaven benchmark results.
The first three are with stock Hawk settings; 780MHz gpu and 3600MHz (QDR) memory.
The last one uses 850MHz gpu with no voltage increase and 4000MHz (QDR) with a +20mv voltage increase.
Note the different tessellation settings in each test. All other test settings are the same.
You will probably need to copy the picture to your image viewing program to easily read the information.
_/\ /\ /\ /\ guru in training (for life) /\ /\ /\ /\ ______~~ we get too soon old and too late smart ~~
E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] __ ________Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler
P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9._______________.Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500 @4-4-4-10 _ZM-MFC2 controller, watt meter & temp probes
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card.______ ____.Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080]
Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ____ ___ __ .Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB._____ ___ .win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot)___HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
~~~~~ _______________________________________ U.P.S. -- CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
SLI --> MSI N460TTX Hawk + Hawk Talon Attack ~~ E6850 @ 3.30GHz ~~ Antec TP-750 New (750watts)
N650SLI-DS4 (rev 1.0) ~~ Mushkin 996599 2x2GB Blackline @ 856MHz (4-4-4-12) ~~ win7-x64 SP1 HP
OCZ Agility2 60GB SSD2-2AGTE60G 34nm_(boot) ~~ HT|Omega Striker sound card
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ Antec Two Hundred case ~~ shared monitor & speakers
<> compromise and do it my way <>_ _++ I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong ++
I love mankind, it's people I can't stand_#%@$&*+!~ el cheapo psu....
Loading OPTIMIZED bios defaults is REQUIRED before you tweak your bios settings.
This includes new system setups and immediately after flashing your bios!!!
Prime95 Stress Testing How-To Tutorial from Playtool.com (link)
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results (thread)
new SSD: OCZ Agility2 60GB (Extended Capacity) (thread)
Asynchronous vs. Synchronous NAND Flash SSD Performance (links)
that's like a 20% hit on the tesselation from disabled to moderate...
but nice score on the last one with it disabled...
- Z68X-UD3H-B3(rev 1.3), bios F12
- I5-2500k [3148C059], cooled by scythe mugen2 rev.b with 1500rpm pwm-fan on cpufan header.
- 8G(2x4G) Corsair Vengeance LP CML8GX3M2A1600C9W,Low profile/Low voltage, DDR1600/C9-1.35v. Slots 1&2.
- 16G(4x4G) Samsung M378B5273DH0-CH9 1333 @ 2133-c11. w1.55v
- Seasonic M12D SS850-EM , 850W Semi-Modular PSU with 80A at 12V.
- 2x EVGA GeForce GTX285-1GB in SLi, 4x 6pin power and bridge connected.[PCIEX_16 and PCIEX_8]
- Hauppauge HVR2200 PCIE 1x tv-tuner card.[PCIEX1_3]
- Intel controller in raid mode.
- 2x WD 500G blacks in raid0 on intel port 0-1.
- 1x WD 1000G black on intel port 2.
- 1x OCZ Vertex2 (32nm) on intel port 3.
- 1x Optiarc DVDRW on intel port 4.
- 1x Samsung 500G on marvell port 0.
- 24" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, lower HDMI port.
- 17" LCD monitor @ Geforce 0, upper HDMI port.
- 19" LCD tv @ intel/onboard HDMI.
- 4ch analoge speakers, cambridge dtt set.
- internal spdif header connected to Geforce 0.
- front usb connected.
- front ac97 connected.
- front cardreader (usb) connected.
- rear 4x usb bracket.
- ms media keyboard, ms comfort mouse. usb, wired.
- w7x64-sp1.
Yep, I didn't test with tessellation = EXTREME, 'cause that probably would have lowered the score to about 30 FPS with the stock settings.
When the benchmark is running with tessellation enabled, there is a tessellation button at the top of screen, that presents 3 adjustable sliding bars that can be changed. I don't even know what tessellation means or does, let alone mucking with some settings that I know even less about.![]()
I think that it's about time that I do a little reading about shaders and other graphics stuff, even though I don't do gaming.
Do I detect some tessellation envy?
**EDIT** Come to think of it, I paid twice as much for my Hawk card as I paid for my E6300 cpu.
My 2MB of cpu L2 cache certainly isn't helping with my benchmark scores. :(
Last edited by profJim; 01-07-2011 at 02:42 PM. Reason: correction
_/\ /\ /\ /\ guru in training (for life) /\ /\ /\ /\ ______~~ we get too soon old and too late smart ~~
E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] __ ________Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler
P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9._______________.Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500 @4-4-4-10 _ZM-MFC2 controller, watt meter & temp probes
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card.______ ____.Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080]
Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ____ ___ __ .Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB._____ ___ .win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot)___HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
~~~~~ _______________________________________ U.P.S. -- CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
SLI --> MSI N460TTX Hawk + Hawk Talon Attack ~~ E6850 @ 3.30GHz ~~ Antec TP-750 New (750watts)
N650SLI-DS4 (rev 1.0) ~~ Mushkin 996599 2x2GB Blackline @ 856MHz (4-4-4-12) ~~ win7-x64 SP1 HP
OCZ Agility2 60GB SSD2-2AGTE60G 34nm_(boot) ~~ HT|Omega Striker sound card
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ Antec Two Hundred case ~~ shared monitor & speakers
<> compromise and do it my way <>_ _++ I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong ++
I love mankind, it's people I can't stand_#%@$&*+!~ el cheapo psu....
Loading OPTIMIZED bios defaults is REQUIRED before you tweak your bios settings.
This includes new system setups and immediately after flashing your bios!!!
Prime95 Stress Testing How-To Tutorial from Playtool.com (link)
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results (thread)
new SSD: OCZ Agility2 60GB (Extended Capacity) (thread)
Asynchronous vs. Synchronous NAND Flash SSD Performance (links)
Here are the Heaven Benchmarks for gpu = 850MHz and memory = 4000MHz (QDR) for DX9, DX10, and DX11.
Additional benchmarks for 875, 900, and 925MHz will follow over the next few days.
_/\ /\ /\ /\ guru in training (for life) /\ /\ /\ /\ ______~~ we get too soon old and too late smart ~~
E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] __ ________Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler
P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9._______________.Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500 @4-4-4-10 _ZM-MFC2 controller, watt meter & temp probes
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card.______ ____.Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080]
Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ____ ___ __ .Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB._____ ___ .win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot)___HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
~~~~~ _______________________________________ U.P.S. -- CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
SLI --> MSI N460TTX Hawk + Hawk Talon Attack ~~ E6850 @ 3.30GHz ~~ Antec TP-750 New (750watts)
N650SLI-DS4 (rev 1.0) ~~ Mushkin 996599 2x2GB Blackline @ 856MHz (4-4-4-12) ~~ win7-x64 SP1 HP
OCZ Agility2 60GB SSD2-2AGTE60G 34nm_(boot) ~~ HT|Omega Striker sound card
WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ Antec Two Hundred case ~~ shared monitor & speakers
<> compromise and do it my way <>_ _++ I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong ++
I love mankind, it's people I can't stand_#%@$&*+!~ el cheapo psu....
Loading OPTIMIZED bios defaults is REQUIRED before you tweak your bios settings.
This includes new system setups and immediately after flashing your bios!!!
Prime95 Stress Testing How-To Tutorial from Playtool.com (link)
MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results (thread)
new SSD: OCZ Agility2 60GB (Extended Capacity) (thread)
Asynchronous vs. Synchronous NAND Flash SSD Performance (links)
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