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minhacontano
02-13-2002, 01:12 PM
Does anyone knows if MX means Mediocre eXperience?

Oldbugger
02-13-2002, 02:45 PM
Check the reviews at Tomshardware/Anandtech...the GF4MX is flogged by a GF3ti200 in nearly all 3dmark2k1 tests

Darthtanion
02-13-2002, 07:56 PM
What version of GF4MX? I just tested the MX440 and it was able to beat out the Ti200 card at all times... but not by a lot.

RDR
02-13-2002, 07:59 PM
at least the GF4MX card is close to the GF3Ti200 in current games, but when games start to come out with real DX8 functionality, it may not keep up.

Oldbugger
02-14-2002, 09:21 AM
Have a look at the following link to Anandtech......real good comparison of the cards' performance in 3dmark2001.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=8

At Tomshardware the diffetrence is more noticeable although both say the MX440 is a good value card.

Wiggo
02-14-2002, 10:37 AM
My opinion is "Horses for Courses" and what ya can afford. :smokin:
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minhacontano
02-14-2002, 12:55 PM
What i wnt to say is:
GF4 MX have a mediocre performance when compared to GF 4Ti.
I think that Nvidea named MX "GF 4" just for marketing reasons, because it has not a GF 4 technology

Darthtanion
02-14-2002, 01:11 PM
Actually, the chipset core IS the new GF4 technology, but since it is designed as a budget card, they didn't incorporate the Ultra-Fast memory or a lot of the high-end features (DirectX hardware support, per-pixel shading, etc...). And for around US$130, it did manage to perform beyond it's price category.

Granted, the Ti will be a lot better, but it is designed for those who think that money is no object. If I can get one in for testing soon, then I'll make sure to do a comparison with the cards I used in this review and we'll be able to see what all the bells and whistles add up to. ;)

btw... here's the review of the GF4MX440:
http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=181

Dlab
02-14-2002, 01:20 PM
What version of GF4MX? I just tested the MX440 and it was able to beat out the Ti200 card at all times... but not by a lot.

;) I can confirm your experence, I got to play with a 460 day before yesterday.............

To anyone who hasn't play'd with this one yet, don't assume.....I concide that this is a budget enter, but they built a very nice card this time. Gf 3 guys......sorry, but the 440 does exeeds your cards in some key areas. The 460 is bumped from the 440.
I was very impress with the 460 in it's side by side Max Pane test comprison with a Gf3 Ti 200, on identical systems.

I can hardly wait to see these board big brothers........there's my $.02 worh.:beer:

Oldbugger
02-15-2002, 04:43 AM
I was just pointing out some empirical data that some well known and respected testers are bandying around....and a lot does depend on the system etc....for example in Darth's Prolink GF3ti200 review he mentions a 3dmark score of around 5100.....I got nearly 5800 with an identical card straight out of the box with the boxed drivers.

I think all of the evidence that is put forward can only be used to outline functional strengths and weaknesses and the GF4MX are weaker IN SOME AREAS you would not expect them to be, especially given the comparable pricing with some of the GF3s.

minhacontano
02-15-2002, 01:41 PM
But i have a doubt. when a game use the Transform & lightning mecanism, will this card do the work?
I have the 3D Mark 2001 and it have a test for T&L that doesnīt run on my Voodoo because this video card doesnīt support this function. Will this test run on the Geforce 4MX?
I donīt think so

Darthtanion
02-15-2002, 08:06 PM
The card can do T&L, but it cannot do things like per-pixel shading and it doesn't have hardware support for DirectX 8. It will still run the games that use this type of coding, but you won't be able to get the full effect of the graphics unless you have a card that can support these functions.

RDR
02-15-2002, 09:20 PM
Any features not supported in GPU hardware will generally be emulated by software - but it's not as efficient.

e.g. the Kyro II does not support hardware T & L but it can still run games that require T&L - through software emulation

Similarily the GF4MX will be able to run DX8 games and probably DX9 games, but without hardware support for certain features, you CPU will be more heavily loaded and your framerates will suffer.

I'm note sure if this is reflected in current benchmarks....buy not supporting H/W pixel shaders it simply does not run the test in 3DM2001...how does this affect the score? I don't know.

Shepps
02-16-2002, 05:09 AM
i have a GF2 MX, will buying a GF4 440 make much difference ? ..........plz say yes plz say yes plz say yes :D

Herman
02-16-2002, 05:53 AM
" have a GF2 MX, will buying a GF4 440 make much difference "

Yes, definitely

Wiggo
02-16-2002, 08:07 AM
Most certainly will. ;)
:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

minhacontano
02-16-2002, 09:05 AM
Thank you, Darthtanion and RDR for your explanations

Dlab
02-16-2002, 10:18 AM
i have a GF2 MX, will buying a GF4 440 make much difference ? ..........plz say yes plz say yes plz say yes :D

Yes and Yes again! for the guys on a budget.......this is a god send of a litttle card.............................


Big D and RDR, nicely done!

It's simple, for those with deeper pockets, hey wait for the big brother Gf4's they should be killer cards.........for everyone else.....
this little card will make your heart fly over the older Gf2 mx series. For those tech hunters that prefer to tradeup every year, the 460's and newer middle ground cards should prove to be very satisfing. ATI is sweating this one, I'm sure.

For a budget card the new Gf4's :flames:

Oldbugger
02-16-2002, 10:49 AM
Here's a post from an ID Software (makers of doom etc) guru......

http://www.webdog.org/plans/1/

PS talking about budgets...a GF3ti200 costs about the same as the GF4MX...so what's the argument????? Game makers are doubting the value (and that's user value) of a technology that has actually gone backwards???? Fine if you want to stay with the current lot of software but the newer software will leave the GF4MX wanting as already indicated in the link above

Oldbugger
02-16-2002, 11:03 AM
Please don't take my comments wrongly...the GF4MX IS good technology BUT it is not the generational change that you would expect from a new model....the 4 in GF4MX does NOT mean it is superior to the previous chipset on a bang for the buck basis and THAT is what I have been alluding to......if you can do without the hardware support for dx8 then fine....but if you are a gamer then i would look real close at the options.

Wiggo
02-16-2002, 11:34 AM
Yeah but Oldbugger atm if you want to get a GF3 Ti 200, or 500 for that matter, you'd better hurry and get it as the supplies of these are dryin' up fast and then what will ya be left with? :smokin:
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Oldbugger
02-16-2002, 11:56 AM
That's exactly what I'm saying......don't necessarily fall for the hype ..... exercise YOUR right as a consumer to be selective about what you spend YOUR money on......depending on YOUR needs not what they want to sell you..

I gave the GF3TI200 to the son.....I'm happy with the ASUS v7100 gf2mx....my needs don't warrant it ...

Wiggo
02-16-2002, 12:15 PM
That's one of the reasons I stick with my old TNT2 M64 and it has no probs playin' the games we have but the GF2MX in the Athy box certainly goes well though. ;)
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Albinus
02-16-2002, 12:37 PM
I gave the GF3TI200 to the son.....


Can I have a father like you then??? :cackle:

Shepps
02-17-2002, 05:44 AM
yeh me too,would be nice if my dad even knew had to use a computer, and i didn't have to explain to him how to turn it on LOL.

Dlab
02-17-2002, 06:48 AM
;) two things,

1) showing him school projects ya did with your system.

2) e-mail cards to mom, and other siblings

3) watch for projects he might need that you could do on your system.

wings: he might not get deeply invovled w/ comp's, but dad's
take pride in there son's complishments. And very supportive of things they don't see as toys.

Shepps
02-17-2002, 06:54 AM
erm..ok....dont think he be interested in my gcse IT comp designing model in excell.....and my comp is a toy :D :rolleyes2

Oldbugger
02-17-2002, 08:22 AM
I actually enjoy computing in its own right but I also use it to "keep-in-touch" with #2son thru a common interest....we have a ball....with #1son it was fishing and with the dorta it was dining out at restaurants etc (Ok so I'm a fat fisherman with a techo bend)

Make it a two way thing with your old man and you'll be surprised just how much support you will get...but its gotta be two way

Albinus
02-17-2002, 10:09 AM
But what if you haven't had anything to do with your old man since you were 18 months old? :( :cry:

MySTiCuSS
02-17-2002, 06:06 PM
Yeah it will be uuuh YES

MySTiCuSS
02-17-2002, 06:06 PM
I think i go for the geforce 4 hehe, uuuh wo wants my geforce 2 card?

Shepps
02-17-2002, 06:11 PM
i'll have it :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D lol

Synthetic
02-20-2002, 10:02 AM
/me kills Shepps
:shoot3: :shoot3:
thanks Mysti, i'll take that off ur hands:D

minhacontano
02-22-2002, 01:14 PM
MySTiCuSS,

Since I started this thread, your obligation is to give your old geforce 2 card to me. So please send your e-mail, for me to tell you my adress, ok?

Thank you for your gift!

By the way, my birthday was last week and Iīm still waiting for the GeForce 2.

Anonymous
03-05-2002, 06:40 PM
;) I can confirm your experence, I got to play with a 460 day before yesterday.............

To anyone who hasn't play'd with this one yet, don't assume.....I concide that this is a budget enter, but they built a very nice card this time. Gf 3 guys......sorry, but the 440 does exeeds your cards in some key areas. The 460 is bumped from the 440.
I was very impress with the 460 in it's side by side Max Pane test comprison with a Gf3 Ti 200, on identical systems.

I can hardly wait to see these board big brothers........there's my $.02 worh.:beer:

I've got the Abit Siluro Geforce 3 Ti 200, and my score in 3d Mark 2001 Se is 6700-6800. A friend of mine have a G4 MX440, and it's way behind.

MySTiCuSS
03-05-2002, 09:10 PM
That is a good score dude!

Dlab
03-06-2002, 03:11 AM
who work for a pc chain store, in their tech dept. He's advising everyone to hold up on buying the Gf4's........he said that they are seeing a lot of compadibility issues with games and hardware.
This is not unexpected with any new hardware, and the patches will probly be out soon..............fyi.:smokin:

SSJGoku57
03-06-2002, 09:14 PM
This thing looks like it could haul ass man seriously

Dlab
03-07-2002, 03:28 AM
For a budget card it rivals the gf3ti200's, but it looks like the typical birth hangups..........I'm suggesting that we watch for the patches. Besides the price is dropping and the have a 460 series that is even more powerful...........food for thought;)

Bastille Day
03-07-2002, 02:01 PM
My local discount computer store lists a warning on its website that there are problems using the MX440 with the Via KT266 chipset. They suggested for $15 less to purchase the GF2Ti200 since that one "works". :confused:

Wiggo
03-07-2002, 02:19 PM
Now that's strange other than the fitment prob with some EPoX motherboards with a certain brand of card nothing has been put up on websites around the world. :?:
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Darthtanion
03-07-2002, 06:51 PM
My local discount computer store lists a warning on its website that there are problems using the MX440 with the Via KT266 chipset. They suggested for less to purchase the GF2Ti200 since that one "works". :confused:

Interesting... It was tested on an EPoX 8KHA+ motherboard.

Wiggo
03-07-2002, 07:15 PM
Doesn't effect all Darth but some where made with a larger capacitor than others sitting just off the slot which is in the way. Here's a pick from Hard OCP.
<img src="http://www.hardocp.com/new_img_02/feb/gef4_8kha-touching.jpg">
and the prob is with VisionTek GeForce4 Ti4600 cards.
EPoX UK will modify the board and a statemant from Tiawain said to just remove it but that doesn't sound good. :smokin:
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