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Malabooboo
07-29-2003, 06:29 AM
There hasn't been a new chipset out for amd motherboards in a while...it's been a while since the nforce2.

When's the nforce3 coming out? What'd VIA doing?

I'm afraid of buying an A7N8X Deluxe and a new better motherboard coming out a month later.

minibubba
07-29-2003, 06:51 AM
the Athlon64 is coming out near the end of sptember so that's probably going to be what the next batch of chipsets are geared for

Wiggo
07-29-2003, 07:42 AM
Well yes the Athlon 64 will be released in mid September and use the nForce3 chipset (the Opteron is currently out and uses the nForce3 Pro chipset) but VIA has now its KT600 chipset out for Athlon XP's though it's still no match for the nForce2. :beer:

Malabooboo
07-29-2003, 10:46 AM
so september is when everyone will be upgrading, huh. Perfect--it coincides nicely with Half-Life 2...a reason a lot of us will be upgrading anyway.
:p

Morgan_Lander
07-30-2003, 10:54 AM
I don't think the CPU is gonna be as big of a deal with HL2 as much as the graphics card you use. Obviously, you don't want a Pentium 133, but having a good graphics card will do a lot more for you than a faster CPU.

Brian508
07-30-2003, 11:25 AM
:)
thanks 4 the heads up on the 64. Ill have to watch 4 those boards and things
Thought I read about them some where om AMD site
More for the server systems,
I was lead to belive. not 4 the home PC
Or is it ??

:shrug:

minibubba
07-30-2003, 11:33 AM
yep, 64 bit is coming to the home PC this september

Chaos
07-30-2003, 11:46 AM
When will Intel have their 64-bit proc out to compete with the AMD proc. (besides the Itanium cuz that's for businesses)

minibubba
07-30-2003, 11:49 AM
don't know, maybe they are waiting to see if it will sink or swim in the home user market

...but Intel may regret that if it does catch on and AMD steals much of the market share (if they are in-fact waiting to see how 64-bit plays out)

Morgan_Lander
07-31-2003, 09:23 AM
The Opteron seems to have already outsold Intels Itanic 2 in the time it's been available.

syx
07-31-2003, 09:06 PM
Is it a good idea to wait for the Athlon 64 before upgrading or at the release date it will be too expensive?? Will it compare to the high end parts like the 3200+ and big mobo or will it be more like buying a 1500$ system now??

I probably shoult trade my TNT 2 32 meg for something faster, that would help alot!! (1800 3D mark 2001 SE)lol

Morgan_Lander
07-31-2003, 09:42 PM
I think A64 will be the high-end desktop, and the 32-bit Athlons will be the value segment. AMD won't be just dropping the 32-bit platform the instant A64 is out.

Malabooboo
07-31-2003, 11:43 PM
yeah, i guess when athlon 64 comes out, what I will probly end up doing is buying myself a nice high end xp, since they will go down in price.

the latest and greatest mobo and cpu (and ram) will probably be too expensive for me.

ZEROKOOL
08-22-2003, 10:54 AM
The Opteron seems to have already outsold Intels Itanic 2 in the time it's been available.
WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO? www.iloveamd.com or what!?
no flippin way opteron outsold itanium2 ALREADY i wont argu over performance though. i seen easily over 50,000 itaniums in one building i was wireing no way amd can pump out that kind of numbers (i was wireing a datacenter btw)
asfor intel 64bit, i dont think there gona, not yet, they might have something on the backburner, cuz 32bit prog. operate like **** on itaniums. u only NEED 64bit for cad and 'thinking' programs, where they hypothisis situations, like a plaincrash or something. i doubt 64bit will provide any sort of performance increase another 500mhz couldnt fix. not to mention u need registerd ecc dimm's with nforce 3 PRO's there expensive and dont OC worth a ****.
another solutiuon amd should increased R&D on is the athlon MP, i think that was a winning idea.they had 4ghz last year with that.

Malabooboo
08-22-2003, 04:08 PM
the www.iloveamd.com link doesn't work. :crazy:

The__tweaker
08-22-2003, 04:42 PM
I doubt 64bit will provide any sort of performance increase another 500mhz couldnt fix. not to mention u need registerd ecc dimm's with nforce 3 PRO's there expensive and dont OC worth a ****.

I agree 100%, all this hype will most likely end up in alot of disapointed people as usual.. :(

Opteron outsold Itanium?? :rofl:

Soulburner
08-24-2003, 04:41 AM
Intel is not switching to 64 bit anytime soon. Their current lineup for the next couple years will be moving from Prescott to Tejas. They won't be working on a completely new architecture and 64 bit until at least a few more years...

weta
08-31-2003, 08:00 AM
Malabooboo: The KT880 is Via's answer the Nvidia Nforce2 Ultra 400 chipset.

VIA KT880 to Leave NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 Behind?

VIA Technologies had confirmed its plans to roll-out the fastest core-logic for AMD Athlon XP with up to 400MHz FSB processors and to leave NVIDIA’s nForce2 Ultra 400 core-logic behind in terms of performance, Taiwanese DigiTimes web-site reported. The company is rumoured to release its KT880 product in late September or early October with probably demonstration of the part during Computex 2003 trade-show.

As the brand name suggests, the new core-logic from VIA with dual-channel memory controller inherits many features and capabilities from similar PT880 chipset for Intel Pentium 4 processors, primarily PC2700 and PC3200 support in dual-channel configurations as well as VIA VT8237 I/O controller, supporting up to 6 PCI slots, 8 USB 2.0 ports, 2-channel ATA-33/66/100/133 controller, 4 Serial ATA-150 ports, 6-channel audio-solution, MC’97 modem and other important input/output capabilities, and may be considered as we even more feature-rich than nForce2 MCP-T from NVIDIA.

It seems that VIA Technologies has plans to bring itself its leading positions in the core-logic market back and is now very aggressive both in terms of product announcements and promotion. As we know, many mainboard makers adopt VIA’s affordable PT800 core-logic and even outdated P4M266 chipset these days, thus, I assume that VIA’s dual-channel PT880 may be welcomed very warmly by mainboard makers. We may suggest that VIA’s dual-channel should be a very effective one given that it was in development for quite some time now and the actual products were postponed more than twice in the past.

Unfortunately for VIA, the era of Socket A as a powerful platform is rapidly approaching its sunset and there are concerns that the KT880 core-logic may become massively successful nowadays (see this news-story for more details).

X-bit

JSR
09-01-2003, 01:32 PM
it's nf3 i'm interested in....................

weta
09-01-2003, 05:13 PM
Personally I'm going to wait for the 939 pin Dual Channel systems to come out, then go for DDR2, PCI-Express etc... Probably the end of next year when everything starts to settle down, and prices get sensible.

JSR
09-01-2003, 09:11 PM
they're comin' out w/ longhorn first quarter of 2004............

minibubba
09-01-2003, 10:38 PM
sorry, but it is more like 2005 ..last time I heard anything anyway

JSR
09-01-2003, 10:56 PM
beta 1 in the first quarter, beta 2 in the last quarter, final release, 2005..........do i care? or, will i wait?..........no
http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/longhorn.asp

yujen
09-03-2003, 10:33 AM
nforce3 pro isn't the only x86-64 chipset...

AMD has their own chipset.. the AMD-8000 family

JSR
09-03-2003, 11:09 AM
and, with only sample quantities of the nf3, we'll have to see what's up ..........:thumb:

JSR
09-03-2003, 11:14 AM
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1235502,00.asp

weta
09-04-2003, 03:16 AM
K8T800, K8M800, K8N800, K8T890: VIA gets ready to fight for the Athlon 64 market

It's not long before AMD Athlon 64 chips arrive, so chipset makers get their heavy artillery ready to fight for the new, yet inexisting market.

For the 64-bit Athlon 64 platform VIA prepared three chipsets: desktop K8T800 and K8M800 and mobile K8N800. The latter two are already sampling, though their official announcement is scheduled only to Q4.

And we've been hearing about K8T800 for some time already, with photos posted in our news. As for K8M800, it has integrated Unichrome graphics with 200MHz core and 8-64 Mb RAM, and VIA Hyper8 that stands for the fully-fledged support of 16bit/1.6GHz Hypertransport interconnecting CPU and chipset. K8M800 is backward-compatible with K8T800 and will feature the VT8237 Southbridge.

Mobile K8N800 also has Unichrome graphics; supports external AGP; and features USB2.0, external and internal Serial ATA, 10/100 Ethernet and a modem.

The next generation of VIA's chipsets supporting PCI Express will be presented with K8T890 designed for both server Opterons, and Athlon 64. In the future we might also see the VT8239 Southbridge with 4 x S-ATA ports and 2 x IDE channels.

Digit-Life

weta
09-04-2003, 03:20 AM
AMD-8151 HyperTransport AGP3.0 Graphics Tunnel

This AGP3.0-compliant graphics controller offers stunning graphics performance modes up to AGP-8X. The tunnel function provides connection capability to other downstream HyperTransport technology devices, allowing greater system flexibility.


AMD-8131 HyperTransport PCI-X Tunnel

This high-speed device provides two independent, high-performance PCI-X bus bridges, integrated with a high-speed HyperTransport technology tunnel. The tunnel function provides connection capability to other downstream HyperTransport technology devices, allowing greater system flexibility.


AMD-8111 HyperTransport I/O Hub

This feature-rich core-logic component provides sophisticated I/O functionality to systems implementing HyperTransport technology.

AMD

weta
09-04-2003, 03:25 AM
Single-Chip Solution
Revolutionary single-chip solution designed for the AMD Opteron CPU enables higher-quality, full-featured motherboards and delivers maximum performance with the lowest latency. The single-chip design also means less power consumption and less heat dissipation.

Nvidia Raid
Provides support for RAID 0, RAID 1, and RAID 0+1, enabling the highest disk data transfer rates for highest system and application performance, and the highest performance fault tolerant solution for maximum data integrity. Nvidia RAID supports both SATA and ATA-133 disk controller standards.

Nvidia Enterprise-Class Networking
Delivers the required manageability features required by IT professions while maintaining the highest level of reliability, quality, and performance. Also delivers the highest throughput for network transfers and lower CPU utilization, resulting in lower total cost of ownership.

64-Bit Architecture
Nvidia nForce3 Pro provides advanced processing capabilities and system innovations for the new 64-bit AMD processor architecture.

Nvidia

weta
09-04-2003, 03:33 AM
M1687 North bridge Chipset supporting AMD K8 Desktop and Mobile Processor-based Platforms

Product Overview
M1687 is ALi’s new generation North bridge that offers a high-performance and cost-effective solution for PC systems. It supports the AMD K8 Processors.

With AGP 1x/2x/4x/8x support, M1687 provides system designers with enough headroom to interface with different graphics solutions to fulfill various market requirements. The M1687 introduces HyperTransport bus, a next generation link bus that can reach up to 6.4GB/sec to K8 CPU side and up to 1.6GB/sec to our south bridge side in bandwidth.

M1687 coupled with M1563, a highly integrated Southbridge device, brings a complete and cost-effective solution for PC system designers. The M1563 integrates AC-Link Host Controller, 2-channel dedicated Ultra-66/100/133 IDE Master controller, USB 2.0/1.1 Host controllers with 6 ports in total, IO APIC controller, 1/10/100 Mb/s Fast Ethernet and HomePNA 1.0/2.0 MAC layer, and HyperTransport Technology Link interface. Additional features include Host Signal Processing (HSP) software modem solution, ACPI support, green function, and Real Time Clock.

HyperTransport Processor Support
Supports K8 processors.
16 bit data bus in each direction.
Low signal swing: 1.2V ± 0.3V.
High frequency: 400/800/1200/1600 MHz data transfer rate.
Supports lightning bandwidth up to 6.4GB/s.

Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP) Interface
Supports AGP specification V2.0, V3.0.
Supports 533MHz 1.5V signaling.
Supports 1x/2x/4x/8x AGP data transfer.
Maximum bandwidth 2.133 GB/s
Supports 64-bit upstream and 32-bit downstream addressing

HyperTransport I/O Support
Low pin count: 8 bit data bus in each direction.
Low signal swing: 1.2V ± 0.3V.
High frequency: 400/600/800 MHz data transfer rate.
Supports lightning bandwidth up to 1.6GB/s.
High concurrency between requests and responds.
Supports connect/disconnect power down mode.
Supports tri-state power down mode.
PC 2001 Compliance

Packaging
564-ball 31mmx31mm BGA package

ALI

gh0stsurf
09-04-2003, 06:43 AM
Which chipset will the athlon fx use?

JSR
09-04-2003, 07:00 AM
gaming is my thing, so i'm very interested in how this developes against nvidia's offerings, that is, if they don't miss the boat :?:

EazyduzIt
10-05-2003, 09:08 PM
i seen easily over 50,000 itaniums in one building.

50K Itaniums? According to this Inq (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9467) report, highly unlikely.


But now a source close to AMD has whispered into my lughole what he believes the figures are so far for 2001 and for 2002.

The figures are 760 in 2001 and 3700 in 2002. There are no figures for 2003 yet.

Even if the AMD source is widely off base, you haven't seen 50K worth of Itaniums. Xeons maybe.