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GBRRICCI
09-18-2003, 11:15 AM
This is a more 'on-topic' thread then the previous one that went from a question about clock multipliers to what mobo should i get:

http://forums.tweaktown.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13398

pretty much im looking for a new motherboard that uses the nforce2 chipset, has dual channel ddr, and some other good features,....and is fast.

Im also looking for some good ddr333 (because nforce2 uses a sync mode where if you have a fsb of 333, the optimal ddr speed would be ddr333), also looking for some other good hardware for overclocking, gaming, and some other good stuff.

This is a good time for me to update because i will be recieving $100 to add to my saved $40-ish and my B-day is oct 12, meaning i will have plenty of money to upgrade my system.

-+ WHAT I KNOW IM GETTING +-
$183-AMD Athlon xp2800 'burton at 2.08GHz (you can count on it being overclocked)
$109-ThermalTake Aquarius 2 (replacing a very loud ThermalRight SK-7 with a ThermalTake Smart Case Fan 2)

-+ WHAT I ALREADY HAVE +-
-ThermalTAke Giant 2 on my ATI 9500 PRO



heres some info that was discussed in the other thread:



That 2800 is unlocked by default. AFAIK, all tbred-b's are.

As far as not booting, I'd be willing to bet it's because you're setting the cpu just high enough that it needs more voltage, but obviously if there's no bios settings for it, you can't do that. I think a new board is in order, especially if you're going to be using a 2800. NF7-S or Epox 8rda3+.



I have a 1700+ the same as is shown in Sovereignty's sig that is not factory unlocked. I have had several (maybe all) of the T-Bred B-core processors that are locked, but the nForce2 chipset bypasses this function. The simple test came when benchmarking a KT600 board that I had gotten in. All processors that I put onto the KT600 board would not allow for any sort of multiplier manipulation, even though they worked fine on my nForce2 based board. The KT600 had settings within BIOS to accommodate the changes, but the processors were not playing nicely without physically unlocking them.

GBRRICCI,
Both of the recommended boards that Sovereignty mentions are using the nForce2 chipset, so either will let you play along the full range of multiplier settings. You'll just have to play around a bit to see which works best for you. :)



yeah, im thinking about getting a new nforce mobo with dual channel ddr400, probably send back my gigabyte(although its the best one ive ever used). do you guys have suggestions for one around 0-200?



EPoX's 8RDA3+ is what I prefer to use though Abit's NF7-S and ASUS' A7N8X are also very good boards. :beer:




Epox: http://www.newegg.com/app/Viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&order=PRICED&submit=manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1318&description=&srchFor=Epox%20Motherboard%20for%20AMD%20Processor s%208RDA3+%20Retail

Abit: http://www.newegg.com/app/Viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&order=PRICED&submit=manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1283&description=&srchFor=ABIT%20NF7-S%20,

Asus: http://www.newegg.com/app/Viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&order=PRICED&submit=manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1315&description=A7N8X&srchFor=Asus%20Motherboard%20for%20AMD%20Athlon%20 XP/Duron%20Processors,%20Model#%20A7N8X%20Deluxe%20Re tail

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i've heard asus boards are great but i can get any of these, jsut wondering which would be best for what i do: (hardcore gaming, overclocking......arent those the only 2 reasons for computers?)




There isn't a great deal of difference between any of those boards, ya main prob will be decidin' on what features ya'll require. I'd also suggest gettin' PC3500 as well if ya want to overclock as ya may soon find the limits of PC3200 very quickly. :beer:



dont really care much about features:

will be getting a sound blaster audigy 2 platinum - so i wont need big onboard sound

mainly what i want is onboard usb2.0, firewire, lan. thats pretty much it.

my gigabyte now has a 5.1 onboard sound, onboard raid, sata, and a ton of other stuff.

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i am also in dire need of good memory, i would like to get some GeIL DDR RAM 512MB PC-3200 400Hz. i'll probably get 2 sticks of this so i have a nice 1 gig of ddr pc3200

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well after checking through the featurs i wont be getting the epox
and the one i want most is asus and next is the abit. but you are right they are all great boards

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http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=a7n8xd&page=6&MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464FE0320 00FA1CBAB993CAD56CDF6F4ED698EC33DF45F3D2DBA17FC218 B5E1BF060D4141EFFD1BC8157B4343E7C28FFBB1D0DDEB6ADC AC552DF0036F58223867B4DF3F59933D7D5BCF057F11E0518D 335DAD7902E3DFF25D61CE40F603A958DC241168ACEFD483C0 CF00DDCC60106A215CF00203682988C64D

the nforce uses a 'sync' so when i get my athlon xp 2800, it will be at 333 fsb, meaning ddr333 will work best with it. ??? does this mean it would be better to go with ddr 333 over ddr 400 ???

as a correction i dont think i'll be needing the sound blaster audigy 2 platinum because from the reviews i read the onboard sound on the asus one is great, btw i'll probably be going with the asus one, but if you know of a good one then post about it.


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it has come to my attention that it would be best just to save about $200 for when some really good mobo's come out in a couple months to a year, but post any info you would like to share.

smokin_pc
09-18-2003, 11:45 AM
if u want good ocing nforce 2 mobos, get the asus a7n8x deluxe, or the epox 8rda3+ both good mobo at under 200. i have the asus a7n8x deluxe for 5 months now, and only 1 error occured, and that was very minor.

Soulburner
09-18-2003, 12:09 PM
The ASUS A7N8X is probably the most popular, with the Abit NF7-S being the favored overclockers board. The Epox 8RDA3+ is also showing some good numbers in the OCing department.

Any of them will do fine.

minibubba
09-18-2003, 01:24 PM
I've got the A7N8X dx, it's an awsome board. Like I've said before, this is one of the few hardware investments i havn't ended up regreting at some point. imho, you can't go wrong with this mobo.

As you have already seen, a good many people here also have the epox version; from what I can tell, you wont regret it either.

on a side note, if you ever decide to venture into linux, the ASUS mobo seems to be better supported. just a thought :)

Sovereignty
09-18-2003, 01:31 PM
I have an NF7-S and the onboard sound rivals my audigy 2 easily. It's also VERY o/cable. I've gotten into windows over 240fsb, and benched at 337 (after a vmod). Never had a single problem with this board and I highly recommend it.

Wiggo
09-18-2003, 06:32 PM
Im also looking for some good ddr333 (because nforce2 uses a sync mode where if you have a fsb of 333, the optimal ddr speed would be ddr333), also looking for some other good hardware for overclocking, gaming, and some other good stuff.
-+ WHAT I KNOW IM GETTING +-
3-AMD Athlon xp2800 'burton at 2.08GHz (you can count on it being overclocked) Ok the reason I suggested PC3500 is because with that CPU and anyone of those mobo's ya'll be able to jump straight into the BIOS and change that CPU from 12.5 x 166MHz to 10 x 200MHz and even though the actual speed of the CPU is slightly lower because of the higher FSB ya'll be gettin' much better performance as components can talk that much faster with each other, then ya can work on the FSB more to add even more performance which can find PC3200 wanting. :beer:

Soulburner
09-18-2003, 09:33 PM
3500 is rated at 217mhz.....2700 is only rated at 166mhz...do you really want to bottleneck yourself?

GBRRICCI
09-19-2003, 06:08 AM
Ok the reason I suggested PC3500 is because with that CPU and anyone of those mobo's ya'll be able to jump straight into the BIOS and change that CPU from 12.5 x 166MHz to 10 x 200MHz and even though the actual speed of the CPU is slightly lower because of the higher FSB ya'll be gettin' much better performance as components can talk that much faster with each other, then ya can work on the FSB more to add even more performance which can find PC3200 wanting. :beer:

oohh ok, i understand :thumb:

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i think i'll probably be gettting this:

GeIL Golden Dragon Dual DDR 1GB(2x512MB) 433MHz Model GD3500-1000DC Retail
Specifications:
Dual Channel SPD Enhanced PC3500 Dual DDR 1GB; Special design for dual channel motherboard
Dragon Eye: One red led on PCB board for memory module ON/OFF detection
Hand Picked Golden Dragon 5ns!
Advanced WLCSP Package
6 Layers Ultra Low Noises Shielded Golden Color PCB board
Pin Count: 184
Chip Denisity: 32x8
CAS/Timing 2 6-3-3 1T @PC3500
Voltage: 2.5v-3.1V
Warranty: Lifetime

costs about $224

Sovereignty
09-19-2003, 07:37 AM
I don't really recommend the Geil unless you think 217 will be the highest you'll run it at. Typically you need a lot of voltage to get a good fsb out of Geil and the asus board doesn't really go high enough. Some OCZ EL PC3500 might be better depending on how far you want to take it.

GBRRICCI
09-19-2003, 08:11 AM
i plan on overclocking my xp2800 (once i get it) to atleast the speeds of the xp3200. I am a noob at memory so i welcome any info. i'll look into the OCZ EL PC3500 and any other you recomend

i plan on keeping cost of new memory between $100-200 as well, but if i have to i can buy once stick now and another later. i would like to get a total of 1 gig of ddr.


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OCZ DDR PC-4000 / 500MHz 512MB Enhanced Latency Series, Gold Edition Model OCZ500512ELGE - Retail
Specifications:
Size: 512MB
Speed: PC-4000 / 500MHz
Timings: CL 2.5-4-4-7
Type: 184 Pin Dimm Unbuffered
ULN Technology: (U)ltra (L)ow (N)oise shielded PCB

$220

OCZ DDR PC-4000 / 500MHz 512MB Enhanced Latency Series, Model OCZ500512EL - Retail
Specifications:
Size: 512MB
Speed: PC-4000 / 500MHz
Timings: CL 3-4-4-8
Type: 184 Pin Dimm Unbuffered
ULN Technology: (U)ltra (L)ow (N)oise shielded PCB

$200

or i could just go with 2 256MB sticks:

OCZ Enhanced Latency DDR 512MB (2x 256MB) PC-4000 / 500MHz Dual Channel Series Memory Kit, Model OCZ500512ELDC-K - Retail
Specifications:
Size: 512MB (2x 256MB)
Speed: PC-4000 / 500mhz
Timings: CL 3-4-4-8
Type: 184 Pin Dimm Unbuffered
Copper Heat Spreaders
ULN Technology: (U)ltra (L)ow (N)oise shielded PCB

$200

Wiggo
09-19-2003, 08:30 AM
I wouldn't go with PC4000 as that would be overkill and you'll be very unlikely to use it's full potential so save a few bucks and grab PC3500 (I use XMS3500 myself and even though it doesn't come in those twin packs it has never restricted me). :beer:

GBRRICCI
09-19-2003, 08:35 AM
CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 512MB 32MX8 PC-3500C2 With Platinum - Silver Heat Spreader.
Specifications:
Speed 434MHz
Organization 64M x 64
CAS Latency 2-3-3-7-T1
Memory type DDR

cool, $171 though :( guess i'll get one now and another later....also need to get a mobo but ive been told it would be a good idea to wait a couple months for some new ones to come out, mainly abit/asus with the nforce chipset is what im looking at

Wiggo
09-19-2003, 08:39 AM
Yes there is a new southbridge due soon which will natively support SATA with a few of other enhancements to the chipset. :beer:

GBRRICCI
09-19-2003, 08:41 AM
i have no use for SATA so should i still wait for some new boards to come out?

Wiggo
09-19-2003, 08:46 AM
Yeah I don't use it myself (well yet anyway) so if that's not important then go and get one now but here's more details (http://forums.tweaktown.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11889) on the update just to be sure that ya don't miss out on anything. :beer:

GBRRICCI
09-19-2003, 08:52 AM
Wowza:

"Nvidia is claiming that its Nforce 2 Ultra 400 and its Nforce 2 MCP-S1000 offer "ultimate" performance and the "best in the known universe" for Gigabit Ethernet and RAID."

"Its MCP S100 supports two serial ATA ports and eight USB 2 ports, but also "NV RAID" and and Nvidia GiE. NVRAID, it claims, will offer spare disk allocation, a user interface that's easy to use, and single RAID functions across both Serial ATA and ATA controllers."

"Software it's working on will include monitoring features and allow users to change fan speeds, BIOS settings, bus speeds, memory times and even voltages.

Nvidia is getting real aggressive, real soon. Bearding Intel in its lion's den means Chipzilla and Graphzilla are heading for a real fight in the next few months."

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thanks for the info, i think i'll be waiting for the newer boards to come out. :thumb:

climbski
09-19-2003, 11:12 AM
Heres the breakdown.

ABIT NF7-S ver2.0 is the best hardcorp AMD OCing mobo..but only if your willing to do some soldering.

EPOX 8RDA3+ is the best out of the box (usually 230+ FSB) and best for most OCers.

ASUS A7N8x deluxe is the most popular AMD NF2 board and a very good OCer but often limited FSB in the 210 to 220 range. Great features though and highly reliable.

Hard to go wrong with Top of the line Corsair or OCZ PC3500 cas2 Ram. Either one should allow you to reach your max mobo FSB.

With good aircooling (thermalright SLK-947 92mm Tornado) on an XP2800 Barton you should expect to hit 2.45ghz to 2.5ghz at around 220fsb. It's a great chip.

Good luck and have fun.:thumb:

GBRRICCI
09-19-2003, 11:39 AM
i'll be getting the ThermalTake aquarius2 for the proccesor, already have the ThermalTake Giant2 for my vid card, and to move some cool air through the case im getting some silent-ish fans (4in front + 2 on side = bringing cool air in. powersupply sucks air out and im also getting a 60mm for the back and some other ones to push air out


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also i can switch from amd to pentium since im getting a processor and motherboard. but would this be a good idea for better performance?

havent said this yet but i can spend about $100-250~300 on a processor.

Soulburner
09-20-2003, 07:27 AM
2.4c @ $170 best bang for your buck. Can do 300fsb (3.6ghz) on air if you get a good CPU/MB/RAM combo.

GBRRICCI
09-20-2003, 08:09 AM
where you get that one? i can get the Intel Pentium 4 / 2.6CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB - RETAIL for $208, so i'll probably do that one if i can get it :)

and for mobo, i'll probably be going with the ABIT IC7-G which was used for maximum PC's dream machine :)

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heres the specs for the 1c7-g

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/101908/ic7-gspecs.jpg


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or i could get the ic7-max3, its the same mobo just a lot better (cooling for better overclocking). only problem is its $225, which i can still get :) so i'll go with this one.

Soulburner
09-20-2003, 09:38 AM
Are you going to be overclocking?

The 2.4 with its lower multiplier will be faster at the same clock speed as the faster clocked processors.

For example a 2.4 at 3.0 has a bus of 1000mhz, where the 3.0 is only at 800.

You will need fast quality RAM as well, don't plan on skimping out there.

GBRRICCI
09-20-2003, 02:09 PM
thansk for the info, and no i wont be skimping out. i'll be getting some corsair xms 512MB DDR pc3200~3500 maybe on up to 4000

something like this: CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Platinum Series (Twin Pack) 1GB(2 x 512MB) 2x(64MX64) PC-3700 With Heat Spreaders.

Wiggo
09-20-2003, 02:51 PM
If ya go the P4 way then ya'll be better to go for PC4000 to get the best out that setup as ya'll be lookin' at FSB speeds around 250MHz+ (quad pumped = 1000MHz+). :beer:

GBRRICCI
09-20-2003, 10:09 PM
hmm, that gets really pricey at 2x512MB combo, its around $350.

i could go with a 2x256MB combo but i wouldnt want to get short on memory because i know xp uses a lot of memory. but if i had to i could get 1 stick now and wait for a while to get another.

Soulburner
09-21-2003, 04:05 AM
The Corsair 3700 won't make it to 250mhz, which you will want to reach to be at 3ghz even.

However, the OCZ 3700 Gold will, and at better timings as well. It is pretty much DDR500 (4000) memory in disguise.

GBRRICCI
09-21-2003, 07:58 AM
ok i'll buy 1: CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency 512MB 64M x 64 CMX512-4000PT With Platinum Heat Spreader. and then buy another later.
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or i can just wait for christmas and get some hella good memory
($300-400 range of 2x512MB pc4000)

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what kind of performance difference would there be with a 2x256MB 512MB setup against a 2x512MB 1gig setup?

and im also wondering... would the ThermalTake Aquarius 2 be a good water cooling system for the new hardware im buying or should i save up and get a better one??? (i went to 3dgameman or 3gm and saw their video review of the mobo...and the chipset + other cooler is very very quiet) so the water cooling system will only have to cover the CPU because i already have the ThermalTake Giant 2.

GBRRICCI
09-23-2003, 07:26 AM
anyone? tell me what the performance differences there are between pc4000 512MB combo as opposed to a 1 gig combo?
:blah:

Wiggo
09-23-2003, 07:45 AM
Really none unless ya dealin' with a lot of very large files quite often (eg; video editin'). :beer:

GBRRICCI
09-23-2003, 07:46 AM
great :) i'll go with the 512MB setup.

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here ya go, final (unless mroe info comes in) hardware upgrades for 2003

ABIT IC7-Max3, Intel 875P chipset for Socket 478 800MHz Canterwood ATX motherboard RETAIL | $225

Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB - RETAIL | $171

Thermaltake HDD "Hardcano 9" cooler and LCD heat Monitor | $20

Thermaltake SMART FAN. Variable Fan Speed Control, by temperature sensor. |x6 = $35

Thermaltake 60X60X25mm FAN, 2 Ball Bearing, 4552+/- 10% RPM, 21CFM Air Flow, with 3pin/4pin adapter. Retail. | $5

Vantec 12" SPECTRUM UV Cold Cathode Fluorescence Lamp. | + another tube $17

total $474 (for b-day purchase, some things might have to wait for christmas)

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CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency 512MB 64M x 64 CMX512-4000PT With Platinum Heat Spreader. | $180

and whatever else i might want/need

total $180~xxx