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mcgirk
09-10-2004, 03:15 AM
i have arounf 200 CDN to spend on a newer video card. obviously i can't buy an x800 or nvidia 6800, but i would like to get the best bang for my buck.

i play games like far cry, true crime and doom3.

i have a p4 2.4 with 512mb or ram

i currently have a radeon 9100, and was happy with ati based chipsets. i have used nvidia in the pastm but ati seems to be the king for the last year or so.

please offer any suggestions

Yawgm0th
09-10-2004, 04:49 AM
I think a Radeon 9600 Pro would be in your budget. However, I would suggest you save up until you can afford at least a Radeon 9800 Pro as prety much everything below it is low-end at this point. Upgrading from a really-low-end card to a low-end card just doesn't make sense to me.

mcgirk
09-10-2004, 12:57 PM
i was thinking of picking up a 9700 pro. it is probably stwice the card i had. i could probably get one for under $200 off of ebay.

this card is 256 bit, supports dx 9 features and has 8 pipelines

Yawgm0th
09-10-2004, 07:39 PM
The 9700 Pro is a good card. Anything 9700 and up will be 256-bit, which is what you want. Go for the 9800 Pro if you can, but stick with a 9700 Pro if that's all you can afford.

MUSTANGPC
09-11-2004, 01:40 PM
Yes I support what Yawgm0th has just said...cheers

mcgirk
09-12-2004, 01:57 PM
what's the difference in speed or fps that i will/won't notice from a 9700 pro to a 9800 pro?

AsianBatman
09-12-2004, 03:04 PM
9800 will have support for later directx...and i wouldn't trust ebay if you are playing to buy a 9800..since most of those cards are flash to 9800pro.

Yawgm0th
09-12-2004, 11:09 PM
They all support DirectX 9, but the newer cards do a better job. Plus, the 9800 Pro will have much faster clock and memory speeds. It could mean anywhere from 5% to 25% improvement over a cheaper 256-bit card, such as the 9700 Pro.

amd_man2005
09-13-2004, 01:31 AM
If you can come up with the equivilent of $200US you can get a 9800pro somewhere.

mcgirk
09-13-2004, 07:29 AM
Radeon 9800 XT ATI R360 DX 9 412 730 256-bit 8x1
Radeon 9800 Pro 256 ATI R350 DX 9 380 700 256-bit 8x1
Radeon 9800 Pro ATI R350 DX 9 380 680 256-bit 8x1
Radeon 9800 ATI R350 DX 9 325 580 256-bit 8x1
Radeon 9800 SE ATI R350 DX 9 380 675 128-bit 4x1
Radeon 9700 Pro ATI R300 DX 9 325 620 256-bit 8x1
Radeon 9700 ATI R300 DX 9 275 540 256-bit 8x1


this is what i found on tom's hardware. it lists the card chipset diretx support, clock speeds, buswidth and pipes.

the difference in speed isn't worth a $150 CDN difference. on ebay the 9800 pros are going for $300 and i found a 9700 pro going around $150.

my thinking is get most bang for my buck. i won't ever buy a new card again. not when chipsets are changing every 6-10 months.

i'll post back when i have found a card

anybody from canada know where to get vid cards at low cost?

mcgirk
09-14-2004, 02:47 PM
the availability of 9700's is not very good, so i have decided to look for a "true " 9800 pro.

MikeP
09-15-2004, 06:33 AM
I got a 9700 Pro for 140$ US, and it just crapped on me. There are all kinds of graphic glitches. My friend has the same card and his has done the same. Mine is made by Sapphire and his is made by ATI.

In my opinion don't buy any 9700 Radeon.

mcgirk
09-15-2004, 07:36 AM
I got a 9700 Pro for 140$ US, and it just crapped on me. There are all kinds of graphic glitches. My friend has the same card and his has done the same. Mine is made by Sapphire and his is made by ATI.

In my opinion don't buy any 9700 Radeon.

thanks for the heads up

Yawgm0th
09-15-2004, 07:54 AM
There's nothing wrong with 9700 line, but the 9800 line is hardly more expensive and better.

mcgirk
09-15-2004, 11:38 PM
i think i may be bypassing the 9800 in favor of the nvidia 6800 as suggested by Yawgm0th in another thread. i will be building a new system and not upgrading the vid crd only

Yawgm0th
09-16-2004, 11:09 AM
That would be smart. It's only about 50% more expensive for over 100% more performance (depending on the game and system).

mcgirk
09-16-2004, 01:37 PM
now the decision is whether to go for 256MB or 128MB.

is 256MB needed for doom3 to run ultra quality?

Morgan_Lander
09-17-2004, 11:03 AM
No, but it's advisable to have more. Actually, for best performance, you'd want a high-end card with 512MB of RAM. Since they don't make video cards with those (outside of $2000-3000 workstation cards) amounts of RAM at this point in time, it's not an option.

Yawgm0th
09-17-2004, 12:27 PM
If you get a 256MB card, you get the GeForce 6800 GT. If you get a 128MB, you get the GeForce 6800. The GT performs better anyway, but 256MB helps in some ways. It means more performance in Doom 3 and some other games, but it mostly means faster loading times. The high quality setting in Doom 3, for example, is meant for 256MB cards because it means very bad loading times on a 128MB or 64MB card. My 9800 Pro loaded almost instantaneously on Medium Quality, but when I switched to High it meant long ass loading times.

In any case, it basically will cost another $130 to get a GT instead of a regular, 128MB GeForce 6800.

mcgirk
09-18-2004, 04:47 AM
probably go with the 128Mb version for financial reasons

thanks