PDA

View Full Version : Monitor Questions....right thread??



hbidad
04-07-2002, 12:45 PM
Well, I got my new Ti4400 video card and it is great...As I was going through the manual and such there was an article stating that you should run atleast 100hz refresh rate and 120hz recommended when playing games. The manual also said to degrade the resolution until atleast you can have 100hz refresh rate if the monitor doesn't support it at the resolution you use everyday. Before reading this I never thought nothing about it. Would running at 100hz or 120hz be very noticable compared to 85hz?

I use 1024x786 with 16 bit color. At this resolution I guess my monitor will only go upto 85hz. At 800x600 I can get 100hz. Which sucks cause I just bought this monitor not to long ago. It is a 17" KDS XF-70 X-treme flat model. What do you guys run? Is this monitor not good for games? Would you consider getting another one?

What would you guys recommend for a good monitor besides the TFT Lcd ones (they are to exspensive). What would be a ballpark price range for a decent monitor that would be capable of good performance?

Gee, that was a lot of questions and as you can see a I have a very troubled brain :)

Andy
04-07-2002, 01:31 PM
While it sounds nice to have 100 and 120 Hz refresh rates for you monitor, windows can only support upto 85 Hz

Normal desktop stuff i run 1152x864 at 32 bit colour, 75Hz refresh rate
I run games at 1024x768 85Hz refresh rate

hbidad
04-07-2002, 01:38 PM
Ha! That is weird....why would they say a thing like that if windows don't even support it? So even tho I Have the option for 100hz and apply the setting I am still only going 85hz?

Andy
04-07-2002, 02:06 PM
other OSs like linux for exapmle, can use 100Hz

your monitor is probably still using 100Hz but the videocard is putting out 85 or something, i dunno, now i'm just starting to guess

Onyx
04-07-2002, 05:18 PM
Ignore your manual. Enjoy your new card, enjoy your games, enjoy your recently purchased monitor. End of story. :)

daedalus
04-07-2002, 10:10 PM
Ignore your manual. Enjoy your new card, enjoy your games, enjoy your recently purchased monitor. End of story. :)

Damn right, who gives a crap whether it is 85hz or 100hz, the difference is less then un-noticeable. So just run at 1024x768/85hz.

hbidad
04-07-2002, 11:30 PM
Great! thanks guys...this is what I wanted to Hear :)

Mr. C
04-07-2002, 11:44 PM
Yeah, what is it?
Something like 60+ frames per second is percieved as smooth video to the human eye.
Shouldn't have any problems at all with 85.

Darthtanion
04-08-2002, 03:47 AM
I run mine at 1028x1024x16-bit color and can get 100Hz refresh rate. It all depends on the monitor. You won't have any real problems at 85Hz.

Mr C,
Different people have different levels of comfort on the refresh rates. I make sure to always have a refresh rate of at least 70Hz minimum. Anything lower and I can tell because it gives me a headache. Some folks do just fine at a setting of 60-65Hz. Just depends on the individual.

daedalus
04-08-2002, 07:04 PM
I believe Mr. C may have been saying that our our eye's don't have the ability to notice any difference in smoothness over 60 **frames**per sec. Not Hz.:confused:

Beefy
04-08-2002, 07:32 PM
Hertz is how many times a second something happens.. ie: the frequency.. so Mr C was right... so 80 Hz means that it shows 80 fps.. :) unless you wanna get really picky, and start talking about interlacing etc.. but we won't go into that.. :)

daedalus
04-08-2002, 08:48 PM
Hertz is how many times a second something happens.. ie: the frequency.. so Mr C was right... so 80 Hz means that it shows 80 fps.. :) unless you wanna get really picky, and start talking about interlacing etc.. but we won't go into that.. :)

coolies:thumb:

zeradul
04-09-2002, 01:51 AM
The human eye/brain doesn't recognize something as choppy until it starts to dip below 25-30 fps. Thats why tv's refresh at 30 fps.

You may have a game running at 200 fps, and while your eyes don't benefit from the difference, you do have that many more points of precision when you aim within the game, or make other adjustments.

Potatoe2
04-10-2002, 10:55 AM
Finally, A topic I can contibute to. In a rather small way. I started my career as a monitor pincushioner. (I would place magnets on the crt in such a way as to make the visual area perfectly square or sometimes change a cap to get the same result.)
Anyway, you all are basically right. However, dont underestimate the human eye. There are lots of people out there that can actually see the minute flickering of the screen at 60hz. I used to when I was younger. But the gist of it is, dont worry about it. I only wish that I had a descent video card. I am using a Pine 64mb mx400. Very choppy when playing halflife and other 3d games. That is where you will notice the difference.

sKuLLsHoT
04-10-2002, 11:47 AM
i thought TV refresh rate was 43Hz

zeradul
04-10-2002, 12:48 PM
Refresh Rate, and Frames per second are slightly different.

TV's have 30 Frames per second, and so no matter how you record the video, there will not be more than 30 frames of picture per second of video. It still looks to not flicker because it fades into the next picture, and since your eyes can only interpret 30 frames per second, you see it as moving smoothly.

Noticing 'flicker' is MUCH different than noticing a slow Frame rate. These are kind of different things.

Mr. C
04-10-2002, 09:34 PM
Lots of good info here all generally pointing the same direction.

I think Darthtanion pretty much nailed it - go with what you are comfortable with. Provided your monitor supports it.

Here in the USA line voltage is 60 cycles therefor a flourescent bulb is flickering 60 times per second. For most folks that is quite unnoticable while others find it annoying. I personally can barely percieve it, but it is enough flicker that I wouldn't want to have similar effects displayed on my monitor.

I feel that for most folks a refresh rate in the 70 to 85 range should be perfectly acceptable (again, provided your monitor supports it).

The vast majority of people who run at a refresh rate of 100+ are just doing so for bragging rights.
There is nothing wrong with that, it just has little practical use.