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BigSexy396
01-02-2005, 01:45 PM
I have quite a few questions about the new generation of ATI Cards. I just got Half-Life 2, Doom 3, and Far-Cry for Christmas and my Radeon 9200, overclocked or not wont cuz it anymore.

1) What is the main difference between the 9800 Pro/SE and the 9800 XT?
Besides the price!

2) I just learned about this X800 and i wanted to know
whats the difference between that and the 9800 XT performance
wise?

3) What brands are best for these cards?

4) What difference does getting the ATI Silencer make?
(Note: I do plan on Overclocking)
And if I get it is it hard to install on the cards?

2) Wheres the best place i can get these cards cheap.
I know about www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/) and www.tigerdirect.com (http://www.tigerdirect.com/), but is there anywhere with better video card prices?

TheOne™
01-02-2005, 02:35 PM
1)the pro either has faster clocks or more pipelines(the SE has 4 as opposed to the pro's 8), the XT is an overclocked version of the pro.(i advice you to NOT get an SE as it is not that good with overclocking, specially the newer batch, i have a friend who has 1 and its a lot worse than my 9500PRO).
2)the X800 is faster than the 9800 and its built on another core(smaller i think), it also has 12-16 pipelines(i forgot as to whats the real name) as oppsed to the 9800's 8.(processes more stuff), there is an AGP version and a PCI-E version.(PCI-E is a new videocard bus, which is much faster than AGP bus).
3)sapphire is a good brand, also ati's is good.
4) www.omegadrivers.com is an enhanced driver that also comes with a program for overclocking and checkin for artifacts.(i don't know what that ati silencer is though)
5) www.newegg.com is a good place where to get a videocard, also try www.pricewatch.com .

some of this info might be wrong(in specs), but most is just from what i remember at this moment(1:40AM sunday january 2nd 2005)

jd53887
01-02-2005, 03:59 PM
he didn't answer number 4 so ill do it... the silencer cools your card more than the stock... = higher OC'in possibility

BigSexy396
01-03-2005, 12:12 AM
Hows Gigabyte & ASUS any pro's or con's to them?

Also my motherboard doesn't have PCI Express, is it worth it upgrading my motherboard just for the PCI Express? How much difference does PCI Express to AGP 8x make?

BigSexy396
01-03-2005, 12:16 AM
"the XT is an overclocked version of the pro"

why not just buy a pro, and overclock it to an XT ourselfs and save some money?
The ATI Tool still works with the new cards right?

jd53887
01-03-2005, 02:02 AM
The Xt is guarenteed OC'ed to the default XT of the Pro with it's bigger, better cooling. If you buy the pro, u can flash it and OC some more but you will have to buy the silencer and it;s not garenteed to work. I say gamble and get the pro but make sure there's no yellow pins on the heatsink of the 9800 pro. Unless that's what you want, hen talk to me about getttin a used one for... I don't know... $200.. lol Oh btw... I just lost an ebay auction for a 6800 cuz I fell asleep. It ended less than $200!!!! :FIREdevil somebody kill me. Yea... so.. I'm trying to say is scope ebay and look for a 6800 for less than $200. That was a really good deal. Can't believe I fell asleep.

BigSexy396
01-03-2005, 05:04 AM
What the hell are you talking about yellow pins?

jd53887
01-03-2005, 05:51 AM
those are the old ones that has the R350 core which sux If you do buy a 9800 pro, dont get the old ones, but if u buy it off someone (ebay friend or store) make sure it's not the old ones. Like if you go to a local shop and see a 9800 pro, be sure to know how long they had it on the shelf.

Yawgm0th
01-03-2005, 08:49 AM
"the XT is an overclocked version of the pro"

why not just buy a pro, and overclock it to an XT ourselfs and save some money?
The ATI Tool still works with the new cards right?
The XT is not just an OCed 9800 Pro. It has a different core, but many 9800 Pro comes with that core (which makes them underclocked XTs, if they also have XT RAM and boards, which they usually do), and most will overclock to XT speeds or beyond (mine does). I would never, ever get an XT (at least not a new one) at the current prices, though, because nVidia and ATI both offer much better cards for less money.

Speaking of nVidia, is there a reason you aren't considering an nVidia card? ATM, nVidia is beating ATI at every price range from $220 on up for AGP cards. ATI still holds the lower AGP cards, but that's not really relevant. If you're considering a 9800 Pro, you should get a 6600GT. If you do get a 9800 Pro, at least get an Arctic Cooling ATI Silencer that you've been looking at, because they help quite a bit. You'll want Acrtic Silver 5 thermal compound with it, but it's easy to install, so don't worry.

BigSexy396
01-04-2005, 03:07 AM
I'll definatly get the silencer. The reason why I want to get an ATI Card is because the ATI Tool is so so so so easy to use!!

BigSexy396
01-04-2005, 03:12 AM
I only know how to overclock with the ATI Tool. Is there anything as simple as the ATI Tool for nVidia Cards?

jd53887
01-04-2005, 04:48 AM
I'm almost defintely sure it's called Riva Tuner. I've never used the program before or even seen a link to downlaod it since I'm an ATI person.

Zeeg
01-04-2005, 09:02 AM
how do you overclock to the 800XT's?

BigSexy396
01-04-2005, 09:30 AM
You can use the wonderful ATI Tool.

Which you can get here and learn about here too.
http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

You'll also need to install something called "softmodded" drivers for your card that allows you to overclock it.
You can get it here http://www.techpowerup.com/softmod/downloads.php

marktoloba
01-04-2005, 09:48 AM
Hows Gigabyte & ASUS any pro's or con's to them?

Also my motherboard doesn't have PCI Express, is it worth it upgrading my motherboard just for the PCI Express? How much difference does PCI Express to AGP 8x make?
I am also wondering the same thing, could someone help me out plz

jd53887
01-04-2005, 03:21 PM
You can use the wonderful ATI Tool.

Which you can get here and learn about here too.
http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

You'll also need to install something called "softmodded" drivers for your card that allows you to overclock it.
You can get it here http://www.techpowerup.com/softmod/downloads.php

whoa!! hold up... I never heard of softmod drivers.. wait I have but, I never knew you needed them to OC. Do you? I have the reg cat. 4.12 installed and I either use ATI Tool or RadLink to OC it. Do I have to get the softmod?

(Post above this)
http://forums.tweaktown.com/showthread.php?t=19200&page=2&pp=10
I think that will tell you eerything you need to know bout when to upgrade

Zeeg
01-05-2005, 09:15 AM
i dont even thing my graphics card can go the the 450 mhz speed without failing.

Viper51
01-07-2005, 08:09 PM
PCI Express is the next new standard that I think everyone will eventually have. The new motherboards coming out with this standard are a little more expensive but you would be future proofing yourself for at least a year and a half. I am waiting now for the new MSI NEO4 PCI Express board with the new ATI X800XL card and I cant wait. If you have some dosh and you are going to upgrade, spend an extra €170/€200 dollars on the Mobo. That price though is for the AMD 64 939 NForce4, so you could get a cheaper board if you are running different hardware.

Yawgm0th
01-10-2005, 10:23 AM
You don't need softmodded drivers to overclock. They're only necessary for 900, 9200 and 9550/9600 series cards, which are locked by default. All other cards should overclock with any working utility (ATITool is best IMO) and the normal Catalysts from ATI or Omega drivers.

JoeHeff
01-11-2005, 10:25 PM
hey, in response to the original post, try www.buyxg.com
it's a company i found through pricewatch.com and they had a powercolor radeon 9800pro for 159 bucks. that's what i bought. now, i'm recommending them as a low price place, not necessarilty the powercolor. i mean, it worked great... until it died. which was not total loss for me, because i called htem up and got a RMA number (1 year warranty i think) and sent it in. i just put it in the mail last thursday or friday, so we'll see how fast they get it fixed and send it back. good customer service so far IMO.

i'm still a newegg fan though.

BigSexy396
01-12-2005, 03:44 AM
I looked on that site and they said it was $180, but thats still a great price! Thanks for the site!

BHAVV
02-04-2005, 09:20 AM
why the hell would anyone buy a 9800 pro instead of a 6600 GT??? The 6600GT is so much faster, and supports Shader model 3. If you dont know this, then look it up on google.