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jimsmithkka
04-28-2005, 09:55 PM
i have a ordinary honda civic dx 4dr sedan, i want to see if i can turn it into a 4x4 tuff vehicle, i know honda made a civic wagon with 4x4 an want to try and see if i can do the same to my civic, then add a raise on the body and a sett of beefeyer tires, its not impossible bu i want to see how cheap can do it, if i do it

beavo451
04-29-2005, 12:43 PM
Wow that would be unbelievably not worth the expense. Even then, a sedan really has no business in the offroad area. To do the conversion, you would need a new transmission and refit the rear wheels with new drive components. Not to mention a new engine because your engine would be seriously underpowered to even try to move a car with a serious off-road kit and wheels. The suspension would probably have to be a complete custom job as I know of absolutely zero lift kits made for a Honda Civic. It would be possible, but it would probably cost more than what the car is worth and would look ridiculous. I would just buy a new truck and modify that. Heck, it may even be cheaper. The structural integrity of the frame would also be questionable for the Civic in an off-road application. Bottom line: Not worth the expense, time, money, or safety risk.

jimsmithkka
05-02-2005, 09:36 PM
but i still want to do it, i really hate the twak out inner city civics and want to d the opposite

beavo451
05-03-2005, 07:07 AM
Well, like I said, you can do it. It is just gonna take alot of money and resources. So far, I think you would need a new engine, transmission, redone front and rear suspension, new exhaust system, add drive capability to rear wheels, skid plates, and frame reinforcing.

jimsmithkka
05-03-2005, 09:22 PM
i was thinking less offroad but more 4 wheel capability, i was goint to rais te car anyway, to go better in snow, the suspention is sot now anyway

beavo451
05-04-2005, 07:08 AM
Well the just the addition of rear wheel drive capability is still gonna be expensive and your still gonna need a new transmission and you might as well get a better engine if you can.

Zephir
05-21-2005, 09:39 AM
Why not just get the chasis from a CJ5 and drop your civic shell on it. You can work the mounts on it from there.

jimsmithkka
05-24-2005, 09:31 PM
that defeats the point, it needs to be the frame from a civic,
its not hard to reinforce so i m not worried about stability.
its not that i hate lagitamit tuner car racers just htere are to many 'posers' around where i live who make there cars look an sound like a tuner but run like S**T.
I want to shock them a little

Zephir
06-03-2005, 05:01 PM
Front end and rearend/transfer case/ Transmission/ Engine/ Lift/suspension. Nothing from the Civic stock frame will do this for you unless you do a lot of cutting and welding. Basically you will end up with parts from all over america on a Japanese rice burner. Unless you start thinking of that Samurai jeep frame and I won't tell anyone.

fowweezer
06-23-2005, 01:26 PM
I know nothing about cars, but I've also got a Honda Civic that I'd like to just have lifted. This is the only place I've even seen mention of doing this. I don't do off-roading, I just want the ability to get it up some of the dirt trails in the mountains where I hike and climb, that require slightly higher-clearance vehicles. I don't even need 4WD, I just want higher clearance to get over a few of the ruts and stuff like that that it currently can't handle but my friend's jeep (stock, no changes) can. And I don't want to have to buy a new car, cause I love my Civic (gas mileage, reliability, etc).

So, how much would it cost me to get it lifted by someone who knows what they are doing? I'm just looking for an estimate before I decide to pursue this. Any ideas?

zaniac
10-08-2006, 06:28 PM
ok i don't know what the problem is maybe the world is to pesimistic but anyways if you know of a 4x4 setup in a civic already i would start there see if you can find those parts the complete transaxle the whole rear setup ect. if you could just find a junker somewhere and get it, just strip it of the parts you need and as for a bit of a lift you could always upgrade the suspencion to airbags wont help if you decide to go off road but it would give you a bit of clearance when you wanted it and let you keep the car at a "normal" ride height most of the time you will need to either do some custom work yourself or find someone to do it for you but not as much as you would think since you want to keep it all civic anyways if you go with looking for a junker you should get just about everything you will need as it would be a little beefed up already the only down side i can think of is getting a parts car that has the setup you want but very few useable parts so be careful also there are swap lists on the net for more than just engines they cover everything from stearing wheels to bolt on frontend conversions with little or no modifications search on google see what you can find i'll do the same and get back to you as i'm working on the same thing for one of my civics but i'm using a s-10 frame. but good luck and don't let anyone talk you out of trying cause dreams are made real with effort not hope oh and as to the cost of going 4x4 and lifted you should be able to do it for less than 10g if you shop around and just lifting it i think you could for under 2 or 3g's

casecutter
10-09-2006, 02:02 AM
This thread was as dumb of an idea a year ago when it was started as it is now. The cost would be more like 20K+ to get a shop to do it and there would still be major obstacles to doing it. The only 4WD Civic ever was based on a different platform that shares nothing in common with the regular Civic. You could not just put airbags in and lift it enough to go offroad because you would change the suspension geometry so much that the tires would be at a 45 degree angle when lifted. You'd be snapping those weak CV joints every time you even thought of going offroad. It makes no rational sense to do this to a car just because you like it. Plus after you factor in all the weight added, you have a severely underpowered car that would burn more gas than 3 Civics. Making the engine more powerful would also do the same.

The only "sensible" idea so far is your idea of putting the Civic body on a S-10 4WD chassis as that can be done cheaply. Even that would still cost you around 10K to have done in a shop, but a decent backyard mechanic could handle it.

This thread ranks a 9 in the dumbness scale. I would have given it a solid 10 if you didn't offer the only reasonable solution as your answer. Besides, responding to 1+ year old threads will most likely just get you yelled at by the mods. If you need a sport ute, get one. Don't expect a car to do what a sport ute can. It is impossible and impractical.

Aguiluz
03-09-2007, 07:39 PM
i have a ordinary honda civic dx 4dr sedan, i want to see if i can turn it into a 4x4 tuff vehicle, i know honda made a civic wagon with 4x4 an want to try and see if i can do the same to my civic, then add a raise on the body and a sett of beefeyer tires, its not impossible bu i want to see how cheap can do it, if i do it

Hmmm. Try a Lamborghini Countach Mod, or better yet, A Lamborghini LP640 Mod. I have seen a Corvette modded in Dicovery Channel's Monster Garage, They made a NOS injected one. I like that concept, not practical though.

RP Racing
05-03-2007, 09:59 AM
ALso the amount of cutting required will weaken the unibody to modify it to 4wd. SAfest, more reliable and easier way is to get a 4wd truck/jeep chassis with the same wheelbase and bolt the body to that. Still gonna have to fab some things. We have a chevette running around here on a CJ7 chassis with 38" tires. COuple of el Caminos also with a similar setup. These were done apparently a loooong time ago when the lifted 4x4 thing was big.

matm347
05-08-2007, 10:13 AM
I know nothing about cars, but I've also got a Honda Civic that I'd like to just have lifted. This is the only place I've even seen mention of doing this. I don't do off-roading, I just want the ability to get it up some of the dirt trails in the mountains where I hike and climb, that require slightly higher-clearance vehicles. I don't even need 4WD, I just want higher clearance to get over a few of the ruts and stuff like that that it currently can't handle but my friend's jeep (stock, no changes) can. And I don't want to have to buy a new car, cause I love my Civic (gas mileage, reliability, etc).

So, how much would it cost me to get it lifted by someone who knows what they are doing? I'm just looking for an estimate before I decide to pursue this. Any ideas?

Just get some air struts/shocks and pump them up when needed.

PrairieDawg
05-08-2007, 10:34 AM
20 or so years ago when I was in the automotive repair business we used to see a lot of vehicles "jacked up" useing air shocks. The shock bracket was then forced to hold all of the weight rather than the spring assembly. The end result was that the shock brackets would break off.

casecutter
05-09-2007, 09:26 PM
Airbags are incredible for temporarily jacking up something. It uses the spring mounts and actually holds the load properly. But jacking up the front suspension would really mess up the steering geometry to the point of it could be very dangerous to drive the vehicle.

badasscivicbuilder
05-24-2007, 02:15 PM
ok look! the swap from a 4th gen wagon awd to a 4th gen 4dr, crx, or hatch is really not all that hard. You will need the whole 4wd car to start out with. Then you will need to junk the whole rear suspension off your car. You will need to swap in the 4wd tranny (it bolts right up), as it has a transfer case built into it for the rear driveline. You will need to have a driveshaft shop make you a driveline. Then with very little cutting and weldilg you will need to put in the whole rear suspension and diff. Its not all that hard and it can be done. A custom exhaust will be needed as well. also to solve the simple ground clearance issue, adjustable coilovers turned all the way up.

06-02-2007, 12:56 PM
When will this thread ever end?

Why don't you just go down and buy yourself a truck. It's about the same cost as all those mods and it will save you a heck of a lot of time!

The End.

casecutter
06-03-2007, 02:19 AM
ok look! the swap from a 4th gen wagon awd to a 4th gen 4dr, crx, or hatch is really not all that hard. You will need the whole 4wd car to start out with. Then you will need to junk the whole rear suspension off your car. You will need to swap in the 4wd tranny (it bolts right up), as it has a transfer case built into it for the rear driveline. You will need to have a driveshaft shop make you a driveline. Then with very little cutting and weldilg you will need to put in the whole rear suspension and diff. Its not all that hard and it can be done. A custom exhaust will be needed as well. also to solve the simple ground clearance issue, adjustable coilovers turned all the way up.

Why in the hell would you even waste all that time when you can either buy that car and drive it (the 4wd one) even though that 4WD system is complete **** offroad and you'll get stuck on the first rock/mud puddle, or you can just buy something new with real 4WD and a 4CLY for economy.

This entire idea is STUPID AND WORTHLESS!!!!! Why would anyone every spend that much on a Honda car for offroad that won't be even remotely competent for offroad? There is a reason you don't drive cars offroad. THEY CAN'T!!!!

I wonder how many other dumasses will register to post in this stupid thread.

PS: Don't forget the Honda fartcan muffler. A Honda is not a Honda without a fartcan........

Aguiluz
06-25-2007, 09:31 PM
AGREED with casecutter. A car is a car. It will not be a 4x4 no matter what.

mutantroosta
09-22-2008, 06:15 PM
i dont see why you couldnt mess with a civic, i take mine one off road a bit and its quite good off road when you have mud tyres/tires attached, i have a set of 4 firestond "sherpers" or something like that

im also planning on doing what some would call impossable... driving it up a mountain path that no 2x4 has been before... unless you count bulldozers and the like...

ill have atleast one 4x4 for support... with any luck ill also have video footage to upload to youtube to show what happened


my civic is a slightly modified 1976 eb 3door, with the chrome bumpers, GT style bonnet/hood, used to be 1100cc 2 speed h-matic on 12 inch rims , itsnow a 1600cc 5 speed on 13 inch rims
ive also removed the rear seat for a future custom job ill be werking on in the summer

ok ill quit boring you now

noobee
11-26-2008, 07:33 AM
Zephir, I have three running 2wd 88-91 civic wagons and with some help, next year plan to demount them and make one good one and store the extra parts -- they all sit too low for the roads we have.
I am looking at a good alternative to their existing suspension, and anyway, all 3 floors are rotten.
My neighbour's brother has several suzuki jeeps including one needing a new motor so I am wondering what frame length and other requirements I am looking at to pop my best motor/trans and body parts on such a frame -- what years of CJ5 (jeep/amc/??) and other models are candidates?

Could you point me to some further reading either on the internet or something I can buy to get me started?

(I am also trying to find out what after market components would be required to upgrade to on-road AWD/4x4 using my existing 1.5L's and what might be cheap/smart pre-investments should I want to go further than upgrading the suspension later on)


Why not just get the chasis from a CJ5 and drop your civic shell on it. You can work the mounts on it from there....unless you start thinking of that Samurai jeep frame and I won't tell anyone.

xXRaMpAgE611Xx
04-09-2010, 12:11 AM
So I know this is an old thread but I came across it on google. I just had to let you guys that doubted it know this. YouTube - Wagon Attack 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7ZzqBPz4sY&sns=em) (if the link doesn't work just look up wagon attack 2) btw that's a stock Honda single cam, with a turbo, 99-00 si springs(gave it a 1 in. lift) but you could look all this up for yourself.

casecutter
04-09-2010, 04:04 AM
Noone ever said it couldn't be done, it was said how EXPENSIVE it would be. That car in the video probably has $20K+ dumped into it or it would not be able to handle that abuse at all. Those cars were not tough or able to handle abuse even when new.

xXRaMpAgE611Xx
04-09-2010, 04:11 AM
Oh quite the contrary, you are very wrong. Updates on my AWD turbo wagon! - Honda-Tech (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1886449) (<---there's a link to his car details on Honda tech. You will notice the few mods that he has are mostly 2nd hand oem Honda parts lol) you may also be interested in watching the making of the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFuy0jYIT7Y&sns=em

casecutter
04-09-2010, 04:22 AM
Yay, you win.

xXRaMpAgE611Xx
04-09-2010, 04:33 AM
Yay, you win.

Yay me :thumbsup:

j.andrea
10-14-2010, 01:23 AM
Would be nice as I love off road'n and I love my Honda Civic DX (2 door, 2 door Hatchback). I took it off road all over the Inyo Forest this summer. Looking for a Tacoma or 4 Runner as I had to routinely put the honda on a ramp of some sort and ck the exhaust, bend back parts or rehook things. I don't know all the technical terms for parts. I like my honda because it is what I call "chick friendly" (yup, I'm a chick that did not grow up working in garages so I make due with my fix it manual and tools) which is why I wanna keep it. I like being able to do my own breaks, oil change, tune-up, simple stuff. But I know after all the dings and damage (rolling onto it's side, climbing over big rocks and roots, hitting big dips)that while it can do it, going off road quickly puts a strain not only on the engine but the body and underside as well....Dahh, I know not rocket science to figure that one out. So how can you have an off road vehicle such as a 4 Runner or Tacoma and still get 30+ miles to the gallon while traveling cross country on highways??? Hum, I guess you have to just custom build your vehicle. I know what I want to build just don't have the garage or the builder with know how to do so...of course. Looking for such a person with garage and own tools to help.