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Anonymous
04-17-2002, 11:03 PM
Windows XP Home (6) networked to old Win98 (7) pier to pier 10 NOT 100
still using old cards till new cat5 cables installed.

Home only wants to see 5 at a time, read somewhere that Pro only sees 10.

a. are 5 and 10 the max (without using a dedicated server) ?
b. is there a way of keeping this old network going or do I have to scrap
HOME and replace it with PRO (10 limit ?) ..... 13 in system...?

Network is only used for basic data movement , YES could go back to 98
on all, but then why when I purchased new machines and asked all the
questions did no one KNOW of this HOME limitation.

thanks,
CONFUSED

Beefy
04-18-2002, 06:53 AM
As far as I know, there are no limitations like that in either XP Home or Pro. I've seen as many as 35 networked PC's on my version of Pro at home... and I can't see why Home wouldn't be the same. Are you sure that's it's simply not a problem with My Network Places or something? can you actually communicate with the computers you can't see?

Anonymous
04-18-2002, 09:40 AM
Beefy,
will only log on to ANY five at a time. log this one off
then add a new one , NOW YOU SEE IT !!!!!!!!
Is this a HOME LIMITATION or tc/ip numbering problem.
Have read somewhere that HOME is limited to 5 cons.
and pro to 10 cons.
Have been told that HOME only handles pier to pier
................ how are you guys setting up at LANS,
anyone seen more than 5 Home hooked into a network ???
Will installing a SWITCH (100 not 10) and cat 5 cable open
this old dogs eyes ?????

thanks

Anonymous
04-18-2002, 12:04 PM
found this on another forum
IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MR. MICRO$OFT'S DIRTY TRICK$ DEPARTMENT
TOOK HOME BACKWARDS (we assume it to be the same or better than
98..... @#$%^^*&)
They simply did not tell people that you could only run PEER to PEER.
This is simply A HUGE PRICE RISE (you now HAVE to buy PRO) especially
if you have paid the bucks for HOMEless XP.
Would have bought 98 if any of the dealers I quizzed had known
......... they still dont ....... but then it probably tells us in the fine print
on the back of Bill's dunny (bathroom) door.
Any tips on a fix or more info,

thanks

check it out
www.winguides.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat
=&Board=genwinxp&Number=42595&page=6&view
=collapsed&sb=5&part=

Bahamut Zer0
04-18-2002, 12:58 PM
Why does everyone assume that a problem with a MS product is caused by Bill Gates?

All MS Software is created by thosands of people who work as a team(s) to bring you the software you use. I hardly think Gates alone directly influences the millions of operations in each program. If he did, well, he sure does know how to manage his time well.
Anyway, I acknowlede you didnt make that post in the other forum you found it, im just having a whinge.

As for your problem, check your share names (some 9x machines dont like share names with spaces or other chars in them eg: "John's super secret tip top pr0n collection" wont be visible to win9x machines. Also check to make sure you are using a TCP/IP network and each machine has its own Ip address. Unless you need it for a specific reason, get rid of IPX/SPX from each machine.

I havnt got XP Home, I got XP Pro so I cant be sure that the claims XP Home can only see 5 other computers on the network are true, but XP Pro can see more than 10. I know that for a fact. (XP Pro on a laptop, took to my tafe campus, hooked it up and could see 30+ computers in each lab (workgroup) with ease...pity about the firewall tho)

Beefy
04-18-2002, 01:30 PM
ok, i'm confused...

When you say you can only log 5 on, then have to log one off.. what are you talking about? logging on to what? the machine?

And when you say 5 / 10 max, maximum what? machines possible on a network? There is no problem with the TCP/IP numbering system as long as you understand it.

Sorry, i'm not quite sure where you are coming from here... if possible, can you give us a detailed description of what you are using?

Anonymous
04-18-2002, 01:37 PM
If the troops dont go in the direction the boss points them
then the boss sacks them (or on the battlefield ... shoots them),
the point ....... We Willy knows !!!!!!
The question why did you PAY more ???? (for Pro)
..... to get what you used to pay less for, or perceived benefits
like "I've got PRO" ......... and shelled out more dough !!!!
(or are you running a floppy coppy, because PRO costs more??)

********************

From King Billy's site

Windows XP Home Edition > Product Information > Product Overview
Windows XP Professional: The Right Choice for Larger Networks
Posted: January 30, 2002

Windows XP Home Edition is a great choice for small or home networks (typically two to five computers), but for the best experience on larger networks (typically more than five computers) for example, at a school or business, Windows XP Professional is the right choice.

********************
does " BEST EXPERIENCE" translate into really meaning you can only
run five on a peer to peer and THAT'S IT ...... ie their is NO other
experience .......DECEPTION BY OMMISSION. ..........???????????????????

Anonymous
04-18-2002, 03:05 PM
xp network is as set with the wizard
the computers set their own tcp / ip
number

We are not using a server
(You can have unlimited connections through
a server with Pro )

All ten computers are connected to the
Network "Cottage"

However when one computer talks to
another it becomes Logged on to that
computer if there are more than four
other computers logged on to that computer
XP gives a sharing error message and will
not allow you to see that computer
This also applies to shared printers etc

Anonymous
04-18-2002, 03:23 PM
Beefy,
hope the message above clears up your question,
there are another three computers with XP HOMEless
to be added to the network
believe you can only peer to peer 5 computers on
HOMEless and 10 peer to peer on PRO,
but with server PRO can handle more ?

Andy
04-18-2002, 04:04 PM
i can assure that pro can handle a lot more than just 10 icons

Anonymous
04-18-2002, 04:47 PM
Andy,
is that peer to peer OR through a server,
we know it can through a server
thanks

Beefy
04-18-2002, 06:30 PM
OK, as far as that little Microsoft article posted, don't pay any attention to that.. It's just a suggestion from them, it's got nothing to do with the capabilities of the software really...

In a peer to peer network, in theory there is no limit to the number of computers you can have connected to each other... Using an IP network, you don't have a hope of stretching it to it's limits...

Personally, I got Pro because I didn't see the point of getting a slightly inferior product in Home version. Also, I want to use multiple processors in the future, so Pro is the way to go..

Anyways, back to the network problem... OK.. you['ve got 10 computers each giving themself an IP address.. can I suggest you assign an address to each computer, instead of it making it's own? For example, Computer one can have IP 192.168.0.1, computer 2 have 192.168.0.2, etc.. with the subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.

Another quick question: Can you actually see all the computers in My Network Places, or can you only see some of them?

With the sharing problem, you should be able to set how many users can access that share in the Sharing properties when you set it up....

I hope this is of some help.. I'm still not entirely sure what's going on with your network...

Anonymous
04-19-2002, 09:26 AM
To Beefy

With the network the problem is not in the Ip addresses
as each computer can "See" every other computer
and any one computer can get access to any one other
computer.
All computers have access through the network to other
computers all of the time HOWEVER

If you go to connect to a computer that already has
as many connections as it will allow
(Connect here is to actually read to shared drive
not just see the computer)
you get the following message :

\\"computer" is not accessible . You might not have permission
to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission.

No more connections can be made to this remote computer
at this time because there are already as many connections
as the computer can accept.

This also happen if you Log on a network drive,
Go to use a logged on network drive that has been idle,
and you can get the message

"cant get printer values" if you print to a shared printer

these all happen to a computer that was accessing that
other computer five minutes earlier.

Also you can recieve the same message if you access the
total network
(My Network Places/Entire Network/Microsoft Windows Network/
Cottage)

Beefy
04-19-2002, 09:35 AM
OK, sorry about all that.. I'm understanding now..

When you go to share something in Home, are you using simple sharing, or advanced sharing? I can't say I've used Home myself, but in Pro, in the Advanced Sharing options, you have the ability to set how many connections you would like to allow at one time. I'm assuming that Home would have the same..

Anonymous
04-19-2002, 09:46 AM
Where is advanced sharing ????
Ive tried in she sharing of the folder, control panel, network connection.

Beefy
04-19-2002, 09:56 AM
Umm, if nobody answers this by the time I get home, I'll find out for you then. . I'm currently on a Windows 2000 machine at work, and I can't remember exactly where it is in XP...

Birdkiller
04-19-2002, 10:31 AM
Open my computer or windows explorer. goto the tools menu and select folder options. Then in the folder options screen click the view tab along the top. scroll to the bottom of the advanced settings list, and the bottom entry should say "use simple file sharing (recommended)", untick that box.

Beefy
04-19-2002, 11:02 AM
Thanks BK...

Anonymous
04-19-2002, 12:02 PM
to: BK
had a look, headings for VIEW TAB in XP Home are
Files & Folders, Hidden Files and Folders, Managing Pairs of Web Pages

cant see "simple file sharing"
are you looking in PRO ?
the plot thickens
GT

Anonymous
04-19-2002, 12:10 PM
I cant find it either

nothing in folder options that includes sharing
that i can see on XP Home

also would changing folder options change the
number of users able to access printers ???

Anonymous
04-19-2002, 01:46 PM
XP Home has a limit of 5 simultaneous file sharing
XP Pro (like NT) has a limit of 10 simultaneous file sharing

see below
http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpservr.htm#limit[/url]

GT

Beefy
04-19-2002, 02:02 PM
Well.. I guess you were right to start with... I've learnt something for the day now.

Birdkiller
04-19-2002, 02:50 PM
being MS its prolly just a reg setting somewhere.

and from MS themselves: Windows XP Home Edition-based computers always have Simple File Sharing enabled.

Anonymous
04-19-2002, 04:43 PM
Beefy,
the question is
WHY DIDN'T YOU KNOW
because someone at M$ didn't want you to ! ???
thanks for you and all the Tweakies for your help

Birdkiller
04-19-2002, 05:53 PM
ah ms do want ya to know, i knew all along, but didnt quite know what you were talkin about. if ya look on their sales sheets title why buy winXP Pro they explain home has 5 and pro has 10 and all that crap

Anonymous
04-21-2002, 12:30 AM
UPDATE
setting up a desktop pointer to the common file to be shared
allowed all machines to look at the file one by one sequentially,
closing each folder before moving to the next machine,
BUT
eventually it said dont get cute with me and locked you into
5 machines with the others locked out ....... so you cant even
alternate which machines are working on the common folder
GO BACK to the 7th post to this thread
yes the one from M$ site about a BETTER EXPERIENCE
........ by inference they are saying PRO will do it better than HOME,
NOT TRUE ........ HOMEless cant do it, and it would appear a
lot of effort has been put into making sure it wont
............... its a lock out !!!! ??????
SOLUTION .... keep your old 98 or start paying for PRO
and SERVER etc etc
will be most gratefull if someone can show us to be wrong
GT

ps what happens to all the notebooks that have HOMEless
on them, if they try and hook into the office network, especially
if there are 10 XP Pro machines in the office net and along comes
notebook number 11 trying to hook in !!!!!
we are only trying to use this network for basic file storage
MAYBE "direct connect" will do the job ????

sKuLLsHoT
04-22-2002, 03:45 PM
this was the same if u compared a copy of win2k pro, and win2k server, there are built in limitations as to the number of simultaneous connections u can have to the file sharing, i first was confronted with this problem at a LAN i held where we used a 2kpro box as a file server, once we got 5... (or 10) users trying to copy stuff from it, they were gettin lockouts, it may well have been one user at a time...

there is an option in the licensing module, i believe u could just add licenses in 2k and that'd fix some, whether it is truly hard-coded limit or not, i cant be certain...

Birdkiller
04-22-2002, 05:42 PM
ps what happens to all the notebooks that have HOMEless
on them, if they try and hook into the office network, especially
if there are 10 XP Pro machines in the office net and along comes
notebook number 11 trying to hook in !!!!!


the office should have a central file server that can handle all the shares. i dont think anyones gonna be stupid enough to put winxp home on a business file server.

sKuLLsHoT
04-23-2002, 11:45 PM
here here!

Corduroy
05-15-2002, 12:59 AM
If I'm understanding all of this correctly, the complaint here is that using Windows XP Home Edition, more than five connection cannot be made to one computer at one time.

You can set the limit higher, atleast I know that for sure in Pro, but my question for Unregistered is: Why?

Why would you want more than 5 computers to connect to another computer at once? Every user that logs on slows down the access times of the other users who are using that box. The 5 connection limit isn't there because Microsoft (whom everyone should credit with popularizing computing thanks to MS-DOS and Windows 3.1) wanted to be the evil computer *******s that too many people claim they are.

You probably don't want more than 5 users at a time on any computer, because you're just asking the box to do too much at that point and you'd get your tasks done just as fast if you waited to do them when the box was free.

RooAU
05-22-2002, 06:24 PM
hi all, had a great holiday in europe
POINT 1
as they say on the man's site "for the BEST EXPERIENCE"
you should not use your notebook to log HOMEless into
the school server .... it wont !!!
POINT 2
we use a common data dump to store our work files, that is
why more than 5 or 10 need to log in to the one computer
ANSWER
use a 98 machine as the common dump and even HOMEless
can see it (more than 5)
RESULT
going to build a FreeBSD server, rather than put up with
the Billy charging more to get through all the GATES
CHECKOUT
freedsd.org it is what runs MacOSX and Yahoo and even
SONY'S web site

ps the rule of common sense must be applied
....... "the only thing common is the lack of sense"
GeoffT 2002

RooAU
05-22-2002, 06:31 PM
sorry that's
....www.freebsd.org