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zaqwsx
02-05-2006, 09:12 PM
i heard about the new 7800gs and i wanted to know if it is way better than the 6800gs i know you can unlock the pipes on the 6800gs and overclock it to like an ultra i want to know wat cinefx 4.0 is because that is wat the 7800gs has and the 6800gs has the older cinefx 3.0 dose it make a diffrenc cause im ordering the 6800gs soon and i wanted to know is i should wait

here are the specs of the 7800gs and 6800gs and they are also from BFG

GPU NVIDIA® GeForce™ 6800GS
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GPU NIVIDIA® GeForce™ 7800 GS
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TRIGGER
02-06-2006, 12:49 AM
Hey zach just saying wassup? I think the price of the 7800gs is not worth how close the 6800gs is in performance. The cine fx 4.0, heh i wouldent worry about it.

zaqwsx
02-06-2006, 01:26 AM
ok thanks

AsianBatman
02-06-2006, 05:27 AM
Did not know they made 6800gs and 7800gs in agp.

ANZAC_ELITE
02-06-2006, 06:15 AM
@ AsianBatman .....They are recent releases

@ Zach ...... check around, there are a couple of models of 7800GS, I saw one reviewed at clocks of 470/1300. Also according to the Guru3D (the home of Unwinder and RivaTuner) review of the 7800GS there are no unlockable pipelines in the 7800's

Yawgm0th
02-06-2006, 08:24 AM
The 7800GS is significantly better than the 6800GS and will probably be the last AGP offering from nVidia. Whether or not the performance improvement is worth the price increase is up to you. Your CPU will limit the 7800GS in some games, while the 6800GS is a near-perfect match for it.

casecutter
02-06-2006, 10:16 AM
6800GS is a kick ass card. I got 2 of them in SLI and they run perfect! I had 2 7800GTX cards in this system and they were extremely bottlenecked. These cards are definitely not and I am extremely happy! And the AGP version is almost a guarranty to unlock.

zaqwsx
02-07-2006, 03:32 AM
thaks again for your help also anzac elite the 7800gs with clockes of 470/1300 are from evga but really i like bfg way more and the fact it has life time warrenty

Amd_Lover2004
02-07-2006, 07:37 AM
eVGA has a lifetime warrenty too, in fact its even better than BFG's. I used to be a BFG fan. Now with eVGA since I can overclock, replace the stock heatsink, and do anything to the card as long as I dont physicaly damage it, the warrenty is still valid.

casecutter
02-07-2006, 08:17 AM
Absolutely right, fully guaranteed against anything besides physical damage. EVGA has the best warranty available today.

jjordan27
02-07-2006, 09:22 AM
What are Unlockable pipelines? How do they help or hurt you?

casecutter
02-07-2006, 10:16 AM
Unlockable pipelines are good as long as the actual pipes are good. Most of the 6800GS AGP cards have 4 unlockable pixel pipelines and that improves performance. The PCI-E versions do not have these hidden pipelines as they use a different core.

Basically, they all come with 12 Pixel Pipelines. The AGP version has 4 hidden pipelines that brings the total to 16. Sometimes, the extra pipelines are no good and you cannot either open them, or they just malfunction and you would have to close them.

raveolution
02-07-2006, 03:54 PM
What kind of power supply would you need for this? I have a 500W in my older machine and my 6600 AGP did not work. I have about 6 HD's in this system plus 2 DVD-RW's. It's a nv a7n8x-E Deluxe based system.

Once I get this 7800 gs or 6800 gs it'll become my wife's machine. (ok, it'll become mine, since she's taken over the pci-e machine hahhahahah 7800gtx for solitaire can you dig it!!!)

darkDemyZe
02-08-2006, 12:49 AM
Once I get this 7800 gs or 6800 gs it'll become my wife's machine. (ok, it'll become mine, since she's taken over the pci-e machine hahhahahah 7800gtx for solitaire can you dig it!!!)
Talk about overkill :ar15firin

casecutter
02-08-2006, 01:50 AM
What kind of power supply would you need for this? I have a 500W in my older machine and my 6600 AGP did not work. I have about 6 HD's in this system plus 2 DVD-RW's. It's a nv a7n8x-E Deluxe based system.

Once I get this 7800 gs or 6800 gs it'll become my wife's machine. (ok, it'll become mine, since she's taken over the pci-e machine hahhahahah 7800gtx for solitaire can you dig it!!!)

This makes absolutely no sense at all. Why in the world would you build a system like that and then use it that way. Must be nice to have money to toss away. If she only plays solitaire, get a 6200 for this PC and take the 7800GTX back. Just plain a waste.

raveolution
02-08-2006, 10:15 AM
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Why in the world would you build a system like that and then use it that way. Must be nice to have money to toss away. If she only plays solitaire, get a 6200 for this PC and take the 7800GTX back. Just plain a waste.
No duh. I'd never trade in the GTX because of when I do get to use it occasionally. I want the a7n8xe-deluxe/7800GS as a backup that I can always use. So what kind of power supply does one need for this??

Yawgm0th
02-08-2006, 11:43 AM
Maybe 480-500W from a good brand and with really good 12v rail ratings. Hell, you might even want more just because your system has so much running off it.

raveolution
02-08-2006, 04:22 PM
The derned thing is choking on a 500W. What is 'rail' ratings?

iviuz
02-09-2006, 08:08 AM
6800gs for sure.

Yawgm0th
02-09-2006, 08:25 AM
The derned thing is choking on a 500W. What is 'rail' ratings?
Wattage means nothing without a good brand and good rails.

If you look at a spec chart or sometimes the label of the CPU, you'll see 3.3v, 5v, 12v, etc. and related amperage ratings, e.g. 25a on the 12v. For a video card like this, you'll probably want either a PSU with dual 12v rails (it will be listed as 12v1 and 12v2) or with a single 12v rail of at least 30a.

zaqwsx
02-10-2006, 04:12 AM
hey i wanted to know when unlocking the pipes and testing it with a game and u get no problems then would it be fine with every other game and could unlocking pipes damge your card

zaqwsx
02-10-2006, 07:07 AM
hey i just ordered the 6800gs (2/9/06) and my dad is payin for it im really happy

Yama
05-09-2006, 07:14 PM
I've had the 6600gt error too.
It says it isn't receiving enough power ....

In my case this message was misleading since this wasn't the problem.
Using riva tuner i could see that everytime the card errored it was way more hotter then during normal game playing. What causes this problem, i still haven't figured out. So what i did was change the 2d clock speeds of my card to something a bit lower then the standaard 3d clockspeeds. That way i almost don't notice the difference and the card seems to cooldown from the extreme hot status :smilies13

Do keep in mind that doing this you should check if you temparture doesn't keep rising, since you could damage your card permanatly.

This fix comes with no waranty whay so ever.
Trying it is on your own risk :uhh:

routerjock
06-08-2006, 12:39 AM
It may be worth noting that its going to be very hard to find an AGP Geforce 6800 GS new from any reliable vendors out there. I've been looking with no luck what-so-ever!
8-(

(There gone!)

So its off to ebay I go to find one.

Cannyone
06-09-2006, 12:55 AM
I've got a used BFG 6800GT OC that is in need of a new owner. And I might actually be willing to surrender an almost new XFX 6800GS. In the case of the 6800GS I have not attempted to unlock the extra pipelines. It is currently serving in a shuttle box that I only use as a print server. So it's very rarely even powered up. I'd use the 6800GT in that system but the 6800GS is much cooler and quieter.

This 6800GS was sent to me just about 3 months ago when a regular 6800 that I had unlocked the pipelines on died. Since they XFX no longer make the plain jane 6800s I got an upgrade.

Also IMHO the 7800GS is simply not worth it. It's much better to buy a PCIe motherboard and mid-range PCIe video card, even if it cost more overall. The reason why I have these spare AGP cards is because that's exactly what I did about 2 months ago. Besides PCIe video cards are allways faster than their AGP counterparts.

ZeAliOuS
07-01-2006, 05:43 AM
how do you unlock the pipes? would a 6800gs agp running with a athlon xp 1900+ be bootle necked? think it might be worth the upgrade?

casecutter
07-01-2006, 07:15 AM
There might be a mild bottleneck, but as long as you are running 1280X1024 resolutions or more it would be worthwhile. They are great cards and with that system I just would leave the pipes closed and enjoy it.

zaqwsx
07-02-2006, 09:54 AM
Well i have a 6800gs and i mounted a artic cooling heatsink on it runs nice and cool. All i have to say is this card is a monster i turn up everything in everygame i have so far. Oblivion puts me on high with 1024*768 res. but runs grate on 1280*1024 with bloom and 2x anti alasing and large textures. Also Half-life 2 ep. 1 was grate with it i put everything on full with res also at 1280*1024.