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losaltos6
03-17-2006, 04:51 AM
witch is better cuz i wanna buy one i run in AGP, 6600,6600GT,6800,X1600, pro x700,etc

casecutter
03-17-2006, 05:36 AM
6800GS is probably the best bang for the buck with AGP.

Yawgm0th
03-18-2006, 06:52 AM
Actually the X1600 Pro is quite comparable in that department. Although slower, it's also cheaper. If a 6800GS is out of your price range, an X1600 Pro would be a good choice.

SmokeyMcPot
03-18-2006, 11:49 PM
if i am not mistaken the x1600 pro and the 6800 gs only had a 5% performance difference between the two in favor of ati. in my most humble opinion, i personally like nvidia solely because of the drivers. i find that their driver support is significantly better than ati's...and i believe that that 5% could easily be given up for better hardware support.

bf2nut
03-19-2006, 04:07 PM
u can grab a 6800gt,or even 6800ultra now for under $250-$200.....heh i sold my 6800ultra 8 months ago or so i had laying in my closet i never got rid of for $200.X1600 Pro is a mere 9600pro,as is x1800 is a 9800pro(diff mem,bumped gpu core)x700pro is horrible(read up on it)the games all say meant to played on nvidia because unlike ati,nvidia actually talk closely to the game developers:hence nvidias drivers are always right on point.6800 series or better,nothing less....its 2006:ponder:

Yawgm0th
03-20-2006, 09:14 AM
u can grab a 6800gt,or even 6800ultra now for under $250-$200.....heh i sold my 6800ultra 8 months ago or so i had laying in my closet i never got rid of for $200.X1600 Pro is a mere 9600pro,as is x1800 is a 9800pro(diff mem,bumped gpu core)x700pro is horrible(read up on it)the games all say meant to played on nvidia because unlike ati,nvidia actually talk closely to the game developers:hence nvidias drivers are always right on point.6800 series or better,nothing less....its 2006:ponder:
A 6800GS is almost identical to a 6800GT or Ultra and it's better than either with overclocking and it's much cheaper. You'd have to be crazy to buy either for over $200 when 6800GS top out around $190.

bf2nut
03-22-2006, 09:10 AM
A 6800GS is almost identical to a 6800GT or Ultra and it's better than either with overclocking and it's much cheaper. You'd have to be crazy to buy either for over $200 when 6800GS top out around $190.dude identical?lets see

6800GS(fast)=12 pipes 3dmark 05 = ?6800(gs?) says 3,564..lil faster then 6600gt...wow?

6800gt(way faster)=16 pipes 3dmark 05 =4,790

6800ultra(fastest if u can find 1)=16 pipes 3dmark 05 =5,218

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/page4.html <-read


enough said,read many,many posts guys are desperatly failing to unlock the gs to all 16 pipes,hmmm whys that?another thing,card companys disable pipes becasue the extra pipes failed ,and they lower the price and sell them as differnt model.yeah i wanna unlock broken pipes? spend another $40-$50 for a card that has true\tested 16 full pipes 6 vertex shaders(gt has 5)ummmm k save your$50 and hate yourself after u buy it.man i glad im hear to help,im not gonna let this dude think that a gt\ultra are identical to a gs,lmao man plz stop doing this to these ppl.notice s before t as in gs.then gt?this kid is gonna buy that gs and be on here in a week like"kjblblhblknb lkb"shoulda spent the $40-$50 more.u get what u pay for.having another 4 pipes is like 25 percent boost overall fps,benchmarking(3dmark etc)there not the same!!!.dont worry guys im here.plz ask me.:smilies13

DigitalDD
03-22-2006, 07:03 PM
stay away from the 512MB version of the x1600 pro unless you just need the extra video RAM, why well its clocked a lot slower than on the 256MB card. i think its 800mhz GDDR3 256bit vs. 540mhz GDDR2 128bit. the extra video RAM does make Windows Vista run better with all the Aero/Glass eye candy turned on.

Munkul
03-22-2006, 08:22 PM
dude identical?lets see

6800GS(fast)=12 pipes 3dmark 05 = ?6800(gs?) says 3,564..lil faster then 6600gt...wow?

6800gt(way faster)=16 pipes 3dmark 05 =4,790

6800ultra(fastest if u can find 1)=16 pipes 3dmark 05 =5,218

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/page4.html <-read



DUDE, then different reveiws of different manufacturers give different results. the gs is apparantly incredibly overclockable.
also, you say nvidia have "the way its meant to be played" youre right, but its the developers that talk to nvidia, not vice versa. that way, the developers get the most out of nvidia as well.

bf2nut
03-23-2006, 04:07 AM
DUDE, then different reveiws of different manufacturers give different results. the gs is apparantly incredibly overclockable.
also, you say nvidia have "the way its meant to be played" youre right, but its the developers that talk to nvidia, not vice versa. that way, the developers get the most out of nvidia as well.
i never said the 6800gs is not overclockable,i know it is,unlocking pipes is the problem.and its meant to be played on nvidia because the guys at nvidia talk to game developers alot more then ati,cause canada is well in canda and in the states is were most games are made.notice ati is always last to catch up with newest games and driver support,lol?nvidia never has driver issues with games,mabye 5-10 years ago.THIS IS DIRECTLY OUT OF MY BF2 NEWEST 1.2..1 PATCH FILE RELEASE SUPPORT LOG FILE.

KNOWN ISSUE
ATI CROSSFIRE CARDS
- Crossfire cards with 256 Megs of memory, running in CrossFire mode will run out of memory at very high resolution settings.
On very high resolutions, such as 1920x1440 with 6x antialiasing. In CrossFire mode the ATI drivers are more restrictive
about where resources are allocated, and as a result run out of memory sooner than with a single board. This running out of memory causes
the device context creation to fail. The result is that the game just sits in a loop with a black screen. If you experience a context creation failure
change your resolution to a lower setting (e.g. 1024x768 or even lower).

hmmmm nothing about nvidia there i see?nvidia was side by side with ea and dice the whole time and currently during bf2 progress.ati was trying to overclock that r580 core,lol.and they made a nice x1900xtx tho,to bad it cant handle hi resolutions.

Yawgm0th
03-23-2006, 02:39 PM
dude identical?lets see

6800GS(fast)=12 pipes 3dmark 05 = ?6800(gs?) says 3,564..lil faster then 6600gt...wow?

6800gt(way faster)=16 pipes 3dmark 05 =4,790

6800ultra(fastest if u can find 1)=16 pipes 3dmark 05 =5,218
Identical means performance-wise. Specs are irrelevent and will always be. They (much like 3DMark scores) are simply numbers that have some relation to how a card performs, but do not indicate it directly.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2593&p=3
Identical performance, and the 6800GS overclocked (nevermind pipe unlocking) can near 6800 Ultra performance and surpass it with a well-cooled card.

Now this is perhaps the most rediculous argument I've participated in throughout the entirety of 2006. Anyone who thinks a 6800GT is "way faster" ither does not pay attention to hardware or has poor reading comprehension. I won't continue having little fights over data you post which are blatantly erroneous. I'll simply resume deletion of posts.



hmmmm nothing about nvidia there i see?nvidia was side by side with ea and dice the whole time and currently during bf2 progress.ati was trying to overclock that r580 core,lol.and they made a nice x1900xtx tho,to bad it cant handle hi resolutions.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=6
Uh-huh... Even though in BF2 it beats the 7900GTX in every resolution and is playable at every resolution, all the way up to 2048x1536? Even though it beats or ties a 7900GTX in every other game in every resolution. Yeah, it just can't handle those high resolutions. Nevermind Crossfire and SLI. Prohibitevely expensive for almost everyone, and I wouldn't even consider Crossfire.

You've been blinded by your fanatical devotion to nVidia. I know quite a few religious fanatics who are more open-minded about "competitors products" (if you will) than you are.

Munkul
03-23-2006, 06:18 PM
agreed with yawg completely.

oh yeah, and a 7900gtx is supposed to be hardly better than a 7800gtx, apart from FEAR - the beta drver is supposed to give massive framerate increases.

bf2nut
03-24-2006, 12:03 PM
agreed with yawg completely.

oh yeah, and a 7900gtx is supposed to be hardly better than a 7800gtx, apart from FEAR - the beta drver is supposed to give massive framerate increases."Speaking of increased speeds, the standard clocks on the core is 650MHz which is a HUGE jump from the 430MHz found on the 7800GTX and memory has been bumped from 1200MHz to a massive 1600MHz thanks to the 1.1ns memory being used."

this is quoted from the review here at tweaktown that i read and orderd the same night i read it....i didnt type that some admin here did doing the review,there facts,not my opinons sir.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/880/4/page_4_geforce_7800gtx_vs_7900gtx/index.html

3dmarks-heh 1,500+ higher on average,512 ram, i,ll take it.badger me all u want thats fine.:blackeye:

Yawgm0th
03-24-2006, 01:06 PM
You're both right and wrong at the same time. I believe Munkul was referring to a 512MB 7800GTX, while you and the Tweaktown article refer to 256MB GTXs. The difference between the 7800GTX512 and the 7800GTX is like a 6800GT to a 6800, but a 7900GTX to a 7800GTX512 is more like a 6800 Ultra to a 6800 Ultra-Extreme. Sure, there's a difference, and you might even notice it with the right settings and a powerful system, but it's not a huge difference.

bf2nut
03-24-2006, 08:02 PM
You're both right and wrong at the same time. I believe Munkul was referring to a 512MB 7800GTX, while you and the Tweaktown article refer to 256MB GTXs. The difference between the 7800GTX512 and the 7800GTX is like a 6800GT to a 6800, but a 7900GTX to a 7800GTX512 is more like a 6800 Ultra to a 6800 Ultra-Extreme. Sure, there's a difference, and you might even notice it with the right settings and a powerful system, but it's not a huge difference.Page 4 [GeForce 7800GTX256 vs. 7900GTX512]not (2 )256 cards vs each other:nono: ehh

"24 pixel pipelines are included on the 7900GTX (like the 7800GTX) but thanks to the increased core speed, performance should be increased without any problems at all.

Speaking of increased speeds, the standard clocks on the core is 650MHz which is a HUGE jump from the 430MHz found on the 7800GTX and memory has been bumped from 1200MHz to a massive 1600MHz thanks to the 1.1ns memory being used." from tweaktown review,now yawg i would agree with you if they were comparing 7800gtx512 vs 7900gtx512.but there comapring(clik the link).7800gtx256 vs 7900gtx512:ponder: ya a 1,500+ points in 3dmark is alot in my book,plus shrunk the die from 130mm to 90mm added another 256 of ram = 512,with shrinking the die they could ultilize lower wattage consumption in turn very hi clock rates across the board eqauting to a differnt creature in a sense.Moving more onto the core, this is nVidia’s first 90nm chip and what took ATI (http://www.tweaktown.com/#) months and a huge amount of delays nVidia (http://www.tweaktown.com/#) seemed to do without breaking too much of a sweat. The move to 90nm gives us higher clock speeds and cooler temperatures.
mmm

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/880/4/page_4_geforce_7800gtx_vs_7900gtx/index.html

they never once compared a 7800gtx 512 card there,being they sold out awhile back on em running short of that samsung memory for the 7800gtx 512 model to use.

Munkul
03-24-2006, 09:19 PM
maybe im being obtuse, but what are you trying to say, bf2nut? what i take it as, is: the 7800gtx 512 is barely better than 7900gtx (tho you didnt actually say this directly) but there is a massive difference between the standard 7800gtx and the 7900gtx. is this what you tried to say?

Yawgm0th
03-25-2006, 07:30 AM
I think we all agree on this but we're still talking about it for some reason. I'm aware of the Tweaktown article and that it was using a 7800GTX 256MB (an odd choice, but very characteristic of this site's articles). I was just clarifying Munkul's post.

bf2nut
04-06-2006, 07:45 AM
I think we all agree on this but we're still talking about it for some reason. I'm aware of the Tweaktown article and that it was using a 7800GTX 256MB (an odd choice, but very characteristic of this site's articles). I was just clarifying Munkul's post.
called nvidia and they simply said they ran out of the memory to make the 7800gtx 512 models long ago and only had limited supplies being so expensive and not planning on selling nearly as much of 256 7800gtxs available.that would be why they compared that card because u simply cannot find a 7800gtx 512 anywere on teh planet :0,glad because at the time i was looking for 1 =0

no biggie my buddy has a 7800gtx 256 and i only score 800 more points then him :p so i guess i 7800gtx 512 model would be really dang close to 7900gtx :p