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bf2nut
03-19-2006, 06:00 PM
hello all,
im here and im new to tell alot of u guys i been reading up on all of you with mid-low end cards with all these problems and trying to fix these problems by overclocking?,pipe mods?lol stop right there plz.if a card runs like p00p when u install it,go to play your fav game then that should be a sign u bought blah cards.heres the card list for games i play now and know for a 100 percent fact on how they run being i grab a new card every 6 months(or less sometimes)and know first hand how they really hold up.keep in mind these cards im mentioning are all stock speeds,no pipe mods,overcrapping etc.you want to be told you bought a good card or about to hunker down $150-$200 for current card,read this article i made for the real non sugar coated card world from one of the hardest bf2 gamers u ever met.and btw pleasure to be here.
:ar15firin the following is not a bash against certian model cards,just to let u know what cards are like in the real gaming enviroment,being i owned mostly every card out going on average of $300+,i keep em for 6months -1 year tops,sell em lose $150-$200,get new rocket top card,costing me $200 a year that way aint bad,ehh guys?freinds have bid wars on my old cards ..rofl!!....plz read below:ar15firin

best agp cards out now for under $300
x1800xt,x850xt-pe,7800gs,7900gt

$275 and under
6800gt\ultra+ only,only those 2 models(6600 series bleh)example:1 single 6800ultra smokes 2 6600gts in sli badly.
x850xt-amazing 16 pipe cards(tie-beat 6800ultras in some tests)
*****x800-an series(i do not recomend any series 800 cards,resons explained later)

*im not going to mention 6600 or 800 series cards at all because they simply dont support quake4/bf2/fear/cod2<-(very demanding gpu wise games) above 1024x768 settings using hi settings and still med-hi fps,so there uselss at this point to even think about talking about being that most 17-19,s (crt or lcd)have 1024x768 native(default)resolution..

best pci express cards as follows:

$600 7900gtx 512(1st tie)
$550 ati x1900xtx(1st tie)
$280 7900gt(2nd)smoldering fast---beats 7800gtx =0
$400 7800gtx 256(2nd tie,plays anything,any res\game amazing)
$400 x1800xt(3rd tie)

$200-$350 range of winners all day below(pci-ex only)

6800gt,6800ultra,7800gs,7800gt,7600gt,7300gt,x850x t(or pe) (excellent cards)
****all x800 series simply are all talk,i seen first hand these x800 series are horrible fps playing q4\bf2\cod2\and fear 1024x768-hi.u must understand this is not a bash on these cards i have a post here(vid card forum) telling u my 2 happy freinds who bought these cards and what happend.yet ppl try to unlok pipes,mods,lol for what?i guess if your into playing russian rolute renambling broken pipes the companys tests said there werent up to spec,so they disabled for a reson.never the less ppl still give it a shot and attempt this to try and hang with basic stock 6800 gt speed?...ya,sad

*7800gtx\7800gt\runs great all resolutions ,all games,no issues. but a single 7900gt smokes the x1800xt,7800gtx badly for a mere $280...no brainer at this point.

x700,x1300,x1600,6600,x800 series(all)are good for bf2,quake4 1024x768 settings low-barely med (if thats your thing?)overclock,pipe mod,there not going to come close to the cards i mentioned above period.this is not a bash post.this is to inform my new freinds on the real deal with these cards i had or freinds had in the past from real world experiences.im not going to sit here and tell ppl how to make there cards that werent meant to run these newer games when they simply cant.choose wisely,and dont forget bf2 needs a minmum of 2 gigs of ram to run above 1024x768 settings hi to run correctly.since bf2 came out i had 6800le(crap)6800gt(good til 1024x768 hi)6800ultra(good til 1680x1200 med-hi)7800gt(amazing hi,all res,lil stutter begins firefight only),7800gtx(freind has,simply amazing,like 7900gtx performance,now 7900gtx 512(mine!,insane,not going to gloat,brag..its real nice guys).ultimatly u get what u pay for period.im trying to make something run faster then it cant mentallaity is a bunch of wasted posted pages that could be avoided if u educate yourselves with knowledgr from my self who had these cards or freinds did.like putting a supercharger on a toyota corrala to beat a 8cyl vette,might come close but not the real thing,and flaky always to boot.:uhh:


the cards below simply are not worth even the effort to try and help with advice.these low-mid cards are good for et(hi),hl2(low-med),quake3(hi)bf2(low-med)**note**bf2-->(low-med,ppl always saying lag,lag..lol plz,its called hardware lag!!,notice that 20 ping u got?)lol.most decieving of these cards and sad part is ppl paid top $ for the x800series cards($300+)for 0 performance,argue all u want,there not good for bf2 or quake4.continuing on below...

ati x300\nvidia 5200-paperweight
x700\nvidia 5700\5900\9600\9800-heavier,more expensive paperweight(q3,et days good = cool..)
x800xl(have never seen 1 of these cards run good,minus quake3..wow 4800ti can run that..)
x800pro,etc-other series 800(have never seen 1 of these cards run good)
x1600xt are 9600,s(wow?,new pci ex interface\added mem)
6600 (any series )were never good at bf2,quake4 period,meant for et,q3,cod,wow(sli or not,single 6800ultra smokes 2x6600gt in sli...sad,same price too,no brainer?my freinds who bought these cards hate themselves because both wound up buying my older 6800gt and ultra i had..)

again this is not a bash post this is the real deal to inform ppl about what your money is getting u.i read alot of guys saying try this,try that?it is what it is.i got my bf2 were i finally want it now after 4 cards later...lot of time\money vested.i hope some of u guys will not bash and fully understand were im coming from.the ones who will bash me are the ones defending good money spent of mid-low performance cards thinking that the pipe mods,overclocks will save the day.to each there own.again this is the real deal.ppl only respond plz with solid pcs 2ghz+ machines,having 2 gigs matching ram(1 gig min),real ocz\antec\comparable 400watt+ powersupplys(not noname 500watt ps,s apply) before u can even try and figure out what is wrong with your cards before u post.these games of today are alottttt different then the good old quake3 ti4800days...."its hardware lag,not internent lag,[email protected]!"<---famouse quote i tell guys on bf2^^^^^^^^^^

comp specs-----railmeats box =0
amd 64 3700(san diego) swiftech helicoil hetsink
dfi ultra d sli mobo
4 gigs ocz platium 3200 at 1:1 cas 2-3-2-7(t2)
(2) 36 gig western digital 10k raptors in raid 0
xfi extremusic\klipsch ultra speakers\
sennheiser hd 570,s
ocz powerstream 520 p\s
bfg 7900gtx512 cant wait to sli em =0 3dmark06 5,005--3dmark05 10,020(stock ran card,not into overcrapping,if u need to overclock anything its new part time..)
22inch mitsubishi diamd plus 200 crt flat(runs bf2 at 1800x1440 @70hz,16x aa,8x af,supersampling enabled screaming 85 fps like pure butter and it better$):ar15firin

ANZAC_ELITE
03-20-2006, 03:01 AM
........bfg 7900gtx512 cant wait to sli em =0 3dmark05 5,120 3dmark06 10,240 ........
Something is not right there ....... typo ???

What driver version??

Oh, and welcome to the forum btw :smilies13

BURTON88
03-20-2006, 03:45 AM
the x800xl is a ok card not worth the price i payed for it. It plays BF2 on hi settings well no lagg. But iam building aq new comp in may i get to spend 3000 on it some one plpz put together a great computer worth that money, Only stuff i dont need is a monitor and no cd drives or hdd everything else new plz.p43.6 ghz oc
550watt ULTRA
2 gigs CORSAIR extreme 2.3.2.2.5
x800xl
200gig western no sata
p4p800se motherbolard
SCPETRE 20.1 INCH DISPLAY HDTV 1080i 8ms response time great buy
3dmark 05 5,120
3dmark 06 1,760
cpu test 800 in 06

bf2nut
03-20-2006, 06:57 AM
Something is not right there ....... typo ???

What driver version??

Oh, and welcome to the forum btw :smilies13

driver 84.21,s
i have 1 card (single)7900gtx i said in my thread "cant wait to sli em" :smash:

Darthtanion
03-20-2006, 08:24 AM
I believe he was referring to the fact that the stated test results shows a nearly doubled score on the 06 version of the benchmark over the older version.

3dmark05 5,120
3dmark06 10,240

ANZAC_ELITE
03-20-2006, 08:37 AM
Precisely, in the stated configuration (single 7900GTX) that '06 score doesn't add up.

It is impossible, unless the '06 score is two cards in SLi.



Guru3D Forum

7900 GTX SLI
2006 - CURRENT RECORD: 9,869 | HELD BY: MikeMK | DATE: March 11th, 2006
This guy who scored this is a hard out overclocker, using liquid cooling and max clock speeds, even he hasn't broken 10K ....... yet :smilies13

bf2nut
03-21-2006, 04:27 AM
Something is not right there ....... typo ???

What driver version??

Oh, and welcome to the forum btw :smilies13
sorry i had scores opposite 06 - 05 opps

ANZAC_ELITE
03-21-2006, 05:33 AM
No problem mate, figured it was a typo, still 10K plus on '05 is excellent, what clocks were you running to get that score?

'06 is a lot more dependent on cpu than '05, I'm having trouble even breaking 3K on my old Northy due to the fact it is summer here and I can't oc past 3.75 at present.

I will be keen to see what an oced Conroe will do, in tandem with SLi 512 video cards it will be a killer imo.

bf2nut
03-21-2006, 11:04 AM
No problem mate, figured it was a typo, still 10K plus on '05 is excellent, what clocks were you running to get that score?

'06 is a lot more dependent on cpu than '05, I'm having trouble even breaking 3K on my old Northy due to the fact it is summer here and I can't oc past 3.75 at present.

I will be keen to see what an oced Conroe will do, in tandem with SLi 512 video cards it will be a killer imo.
stock 7900gtx speeds core 670(bfg oc 20 stock 650) mem 1640(bfg oc 40 stock 1600)its a beast in bf2 :FIREdevil

comp specs-----railmeats box =0
amd 64 3700(san diego) swiftech helicoil hetsink
dfi ultra d sli mobo
bfg 7800gtxoc 512 (core 670, mem 1640)sik card!!!!!! 3dmark06 5,005 3dmark05 10,020
4 gigs ocz platium 3200 at 1:1 cas 2-3-2-7(t2)
(2) 36 gig western digital 10k raptors in raid 0
xfi extremusic
ocz powerstream 520 p\s
plextor 52x32x52 cdrw
klipsch ultra speakers
logitech mx-500
sennheiser hd 570,s
22inch mitsubishi diamd plus 200 crt flat(runs bf2 at 1800x1440 @75hz 85fps solid)

bf2nut
03-21-2006, 11:36 AM
heh i love bf2 103 kills tonight in 1 map played tonight(wake isalnd!)all jet kills:ar15firin :p love to fly....

ANZAC_ELITE
03-21-2006, 12:20 PM
stock 7900gtx speeds core 670(bfg oc 20 stock 650) mem 1640(bfg oc 40 stock 1600)its a beast in bf2 :FIREdevil have screenies of 05-06 runs,no jpeg inserts here :p ......Host them at Imageshack or similar and link using the "Go Advanced" tab, insert picture.

ORB Links maybe ???

What resolutions were the 3DMarks run at?

matm347
03-22-2006, 01:57 AM
'06 takes CPU into account, '05 does not. Just over 10k in '05 is what the 7900GTXs are getting.
Is it just me, or should ~150 more mhz in a GPU get a larger gain than ~1k in '05?? I have my 7800GTX @515 and get ~9200 :ponder:

bf2nut
03-22-2006, 04:59 AM
Host them at Imageshack or similar and link using the "Go Advanced" tab, insert picture.

ORB Links maybe ???

What resolutions were the 3DMarks run at?
1280x1024- both tests.anything less does not count...:ar15firin

bf2nut
03-22-2006, 05:03 AM
'06 takes CPU into account, '05 does not. Just over 10k in '05 is what the 7900GTXs are getting.
Is it just me, or should ~150 more mhz in a GPU get a larger gain than ~1k in '05?? I have my 7800GTX @515 and get ~9200 :ponder:
plz list your complete specs,being surrounding cpu componets make a huge diff:ar15firin .***********and another thing,make sure when installing any card.u go to control panel\add\remove all nvidia components\drivers\etc,then go to desktop,advanced,driver,remove\unistall,then reinstall 84.21 optimized 7900gtx support drivers and reinstall directx 9c**********...

matm347
03-22-2006, 05:48 AM
I have a 7800GTX, I was wondering why the 650+MHz 7900 only gains ~1k in '05 compared to my [email protected]/~9200. I just run the omega drivers, only because they have the frequency unlocked. I noticed no performance difference between the Nvidia drivers, in benchmarks or games.
I'll have to get numbers from home, but I ran without the CPU being overclocked and it didn't drop that much in '05.

because you said plz...

A8N32-SLI
WC [email protected] 1.5V
2gig OCZ Plat @2-2-2-5 ~208MHz 2.8V (divider)
BFG 7800GTX w/arctic cooler @515/1440

zaqwsx
03-22-2006, 06:33 AM
ANZAC ELITE wat settings where u running 3dmark 06 cause i have the demo and i got 2374 but i dont got top stuff also once i get the new mobo and cpu i want to see if i can gain a higher score on 06 then im over clocking man

bf2nut
03-22-2006, 07:34 AM
to matm-
i only use nvidia or rarely beta drivers from 3dportal drivers,omegas.mmm back in the way back days of my 9800pro,not now with thesenewer 6-7 series nvidia cards.and for 2 i never!overclock anything,if i have to overclock it means i need new hardware,or its not setup correctly.i would score 200-500 points more if a ran a amd 64x2 chip vs my single core sandy because yes the 06 test is more cpu intenvise,ultimatly giving ppl with dual core chips the advangtage of using multithreading in cpu test2 on 06.read up on it,i did and 4200x2 this summer for sure.

and zachwsx---
Zach your comp specs i will go down the line plz dont take offense...

Amd Athlon xp3200+ 2.2ghz---i guess thats the best for the k-7 series,they oc great 2.5 +,kinda old tho
Foxconn kt600--umm grab atleast name brand for performance ,better bios options dfi,asus,gigabyte,so many,why foxconn,u save $25 buying that 1?
1gb ddr400 Kingston Tech--grab another gig (matching)
BFG 6800gs 256mb agp--at 521-1170 they get 6243 05 score(not bad)12 pipes heh were up to 16,20, 24 pipes now..
ATX Thermaltake Tsunami Dream(nice case man..)
Seagate sata 80gb harddrive(works good)
500watt Rosewill powersupply(<--lose it!-grab a antec\ocz\pcpower only)

as for your next upgrade?you want..u said
Next Upgrade
EPoX EP-9NDA3J Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard(go nforce4 only,nf3 has been out for over1-2 years now,old,and get a real name brand board for $20 more..epox....mm,naaa)
AMD Athlon64 3700+(<--better be san diego core-fx57 core,only $215 newegg now,i paid $250 7 months ago)

grab the best things u can buy,only if its 1 thing at a time,make sure u can get the best your budget allows vs buying 2 cheaper items,get 1 nice item(7900gt is only $280 now and beats the 7800gtx :p).u will thank yourself later.alot of ppl i meet grab of bunch of cheaper stuff at 1 shot and regret it later,thats why i started this post,to inform,not bash....educate\help my fellow brothers here:beerchug:time to frag out bf2 time!!! =0


if ppl private message me i will send screenshots galore,not to sure of image shack :p,hmmm

gar187er
03-22-2006, 10:04 AM
bf2nut, for god's sake, please, try at least some form of grammar...it doesnt need to be perfect, just a comma or two, a period, or maybe try a few in a row......my eyes cry out in pain everytime I try to read a post of your's!!!

ANZAC_ELITE
03-22-2006, 12:11 PM
ANZAC ELITE wat settings where u running 3dmark 06 cause i have the demo and i got 2374 but i dont got top stuff also once i get the new mobo and cpu i want to see if i can gain a higher score on 06 then im over clocking man
CPU was at 3.6, click the score in my sig, it's linked to my ORB project.

The best I've seen for a system similar to mine is 3099 in '06, it was a Dutch guy with air cooling out on his balcony in 0 degrees C running his cpu at 3.9.

Everything in 3DMark06 was default, res was 1280 x 1024 etc

Once it cools down a bit here and I can get my cpu over 3.75 I'll have another go at it.

Munkul
03-22-2006, 10:14 PM
glad u all had someone explain the real deal to all.......
you sound like a dick. no offence.


what you put at the top there is correct maybe in fact, but i think you miss the point. we are people who like the best bang-for-buck, to coin a phrase. the graphics card market changes so rapidly that youre lucky if the previously best card is still the best after another month. personally, i shopped around to find the best card in my price range, and although is is now definately mid-range, it plays everything i throw at it, with panache (read antialiasing lol) .bf2 isnt even that demanding, and a single 6800gs will play it as well as most gamers will want.

bf2nut
03-23-2006, 02:25 AM
you sound like a dick. no offence.


what you put at the top there is correct maybe in fact, but i think you miss the point. we are people who like the best bang-for-buck, to coin a phrase. the graphics card market changes so rapidly that youre lucky if the previously best card is still the best after another month. personally, i shopped around to find the best card in my price range, and although is is now definately mid-range, it plays everything i throw at it, with panache (read antialiasing lol) .bf2 isnt even that demanding, and a single 6800gs will play it as well as most gamers will want.for starters,

thats fine how u take u me as,np(name calling is for kids anyways)..as far as bf2 " bf2 isnt even that demanding"you said?.well to that statement when i first got bf2 i had a 6800gt,2 gigs ram amd 64 3200,ocz powerstream 520 at the time.since i played the game more and really went crazy over it,i sold my 19in crt flat quantex(junk)to buy a 22in mitishibishi diamindtron 200nf crt flat for $99+$50 shipping at azatek.com .anyway long story short,besides upgrading the moniter i splurged and grabed 4 gigs ocz platium,dfi ultra d sli mobo,amd 64 3700sd,and 6800ultra.well leeme tell u i started to really see how resolutions could easily be attained now with the new setup(went from soso 1280x768 med settings to 1600x1200 med-hi settings)now dont get me wrong everyone is differnt on there levels of acceptable(mine is hi,needing higher).also keep in mind this moniter supports 1800x1440 @70hz for under $150!.the ultra couldnt do it,sorry it couldnt period(low settings would stutter it out.so i grabbed a 7800gt(woa)to my suprise i finally seen what bf2 could offer me in return for the money i shelled out(alot..)the gameplay i craved deep down.it was truly amazing but i knew nvidia was creeping up on a new 7900gtx.i was like wow i must have this card.grabbed one and i must tell u i never ever thought i could own a single card to go over 10,000 points on 3dmark06,run the resolutions i wanted,and feel good about this purchase($600,mwave..ouch)after a year or two.and to think back when i first started with bf2 and my 6800gt running 1024x768-1280x768 was amazing,i was relizing my expectations drove me to find a whole new world of bf2.so again it comes down to what u think is good for your game.i found mine.as the models roll up,prices do as well,pipelines,resolutions,and overall smoothness in higher fps across the board.there is a massive difference dude!!.i guess chevy cavaliers hang with vettes ehh?:ponder:


best bang for the buck u crave ehh

7900gt 24 pipes for under $300 beats the 7800gtx...

zaqwsx
03-23-2006, 04:01 AM
to matm-
i only use nvidia or rarely beta drivers from 3dportal drivers,omegas.mmm back in the way back days of my 9800pro,not now with thesenewer 6-7 series nvidia cards.and for 2 i never!overclock anything,if i have to overclock it means i need new hardware,or its not setup correctly.i would score 200-500 points more if a ran a amd 64x2 chip vs my single core sandy because yes the 06 test is more cpu intenvise,ultimatly giving ppl with dual core chips the advangtage of using multithreading in cpu test2 on 06.read up on it,i did and 4200x2 this summer for sure.

and zachwsx---
Zach your comp specs i will go down the line plz dont take offense...

Amd Athlon xp3200+ 2.2ghz---i guess thats the best for the k-7 series,they oc great 2.5 +,kinda old tho
Foxconn kt600--umm grab atleast name brand for performance ,better bios options dfi,asus,gigabyte,so many,why foxconn,u save $25 buying that 1?
1gb ddr400 Kingston Tech--grab another gig (matching)
BFG 6800gs 256mb agp--at 521-1170 they get 6243 05 score(not bad)12 pipes heh were up to 16,20, 24 pipes now..
ATX Thermaltake Tsunami Dream(nice case man..)
Seagate sata 80gb harddrive(works good)
500watt Rosewill powersupply(<--lose it!-grab a antec\ocz\pcpower only)

as for your next upgrade?you want..u said
Next Upgrade
EPoX EP-9NDA3J Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard(go nforce4 only,nf3 has been out for over1-2 years now,old,and get a real name brand board for $20 more..epox....mm,naaa)
AMD Athlon64 3700+(<--better be san diego core-fx57 core,only $215 newegg now,i paid $250 7 months ago)

grab the best things u can buy,only if its 1 thing at a time,make sure u can get the best your budget allows vs buying 2 cheaper items,get 1 nice item(7900gt is only $280 now and beats the 7800gtx :p).u will thank yourself later.alot of ppl i meet grab of bunch of cheaper stuff at 1 shot and regret it later,thats why i started this post,to inform,not bash....educate\help my fellow brothers here:beerchug:time to frag out bf2 time!!! =0


if ppl private message me i will send screenshots galore,not to sure of image shack :p,hmmmhey well yes i got some old stuff but its ok anyway that foxconn board is my first board upgrade from my old hp msi crappy one and to tell u the truth foxconn is everywere just look at a chip on a board and u just might see foxconn no joke. Well any way yes the amd64 3700+ is a san-diago core and i did some research before i got to a final dissisoin. Also i can't use nforce 4 they dont got it for agp and im not about to upgrade to a new graphic card cause i got my card a little bit ago ($220 dad paid) and Epox is not cheap its been around for a while and they are grate overclockers and i heard alot of grate things about them. (ps: i am an overclocker and i like it lol)

Know for the psu to tell u the truth that rosewill is grate havent had a prob yet and it has a sterdy case but your right the other companies are better and i also didnt want to spend alot it was only $50 so i bought it. Might get a new one later on.

Also my dad is payin for this new upgrade $300 and if i tell u this u may not belive me but im 15 years old so i cant get the top stuff i want.

one more thing as for my graphic card how am i supposed to hit 521-1170 could be my mobo i maxed at like 425-1100 with a vertex pipe unlocked / if i unlock pixel pipe i get problems. oh and thanks for the info

zaqwsx
03-23-2006, 04:10 AM
CPU was at 3.6, click the score in my sig, it's linked to my ORB project.

The best I've seen for a system similar to mine is 3099 in '06, it was a Dutch guy with air cooling out on his balcony in 0 degrees C running his cpu at 3.9.

Everything in 3DMark06 was default, res was 1280 x 1024 etc

Once it cools down a bit here and I can get my cpu over 3.75 I'll have another go at it.
u got 776 on your cpu score at 3.6 want to know know how much u overlocked too and do u have any amd comps or your just a pentium guy
at stock though i got 788 when i did oc i went from 200 to 211 and got a 829 is that good and i want to know how high can i oc my 6800gs i hit 425 no prob

bf2nut
03-23-2006, 04:35 AM
u got 776 on your cpu score at 3.6 want to know know how much u overlocked too and do u have any amd comps or your just a pentium guy
at stock though i got 788 when i did oc i went from 200 to 211 and got a 829 is that good and i want to know how high can i oc my 6800gs i hit 425 no probzach..
this motherboard u can run either agp4x8x agp or later down the road run a pci express card,theres 2 slots!!!!!plus its amd socket 939!!! $60 new egg check it out,no brainer man,explain this to your totally cool dad is helping hype your pc up =)really hope you get this board so u can upgrade later and use current card now :p

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081

zaqwsx
03-23-2006, 05:31 AM
ill think about and i have seen it Thanks alot man

zaqwsx
03-23-2006, 05:32 AM
only one prob it dosnt have nforce or kt its uli dont know if thats good

bf2nut
03-23-2006, 06:44 AM
only one prob it dosnt have nforce or kt its uli dont know if thats good<TABLE class=tblSpecs cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>ASRock</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>Model</TD><TD>939Dual-SATA2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblSpecsGroup colSpan=2>Supported CPU</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>CPU Socket Type</TD><TD>Socket 939</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>CPU Type</TD><TD>Athlon 64 FX/Athlon 64/Sempron</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>FSB</TD><TD>1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblSpecsGroup colSpan=2>Chipsets</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>North Bridge</TD><TD>ULi M1695</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>South Bridge</TD><TD>ULi M1567</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblSpecsGroup colSpan=2>Memory</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>Number of DDR Slots</TD><TD>4x 184pin DDR</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>DDR Standard</TD><TD>DDR 400 (PC 3200)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>Maximum Memory Supported</TD><TD>4GB</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblSpecsGroup colSpan=2>Expansion Slots</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>AGP Slots</TD><TD>1x AGP 4X/8X</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>PCI Express x16</TD><TD>1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>PCI Express x1</TD><TD>1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblEmp width=130>PCI Slots</TD><TD>3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tblSpecsGroup colSpan=2>Storage Devices








uli explained below completely

http://www.uli.com.tw/eng/products/product_detail.php?pserno=90

1 guys review below

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081

Great board for the money"

Pros: I used this board on my fourth computer build and have had no problems with it. I started off using a 9800pro agp, which worked fine. when that card finaly failed i bought a 7800gt pci-e which worked ...
fine also. i have run the memory in both single channel and dual channel. with no problems.

Cons: i have yet to find a problem with this board...

Other Thoughts: this board offers great upgrade options with both the agp and pci-e. and a "future cpu port" for new cpus the will be coming out



it sounds pretty solid zach,let your dad see for himself,show him these links i posted for u in the threads here,good luck bro






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zaqwsx
03-23-2006, 07:15 AM
oh i forgot to tell u but im the genius in the computers not my dad i build my comp i learned everything myself exept the first time when my friend he is 15 too just watched me to see if i did anything wronge lol, also i did see that review anyway ill look into it and if it has some grate oc'ing options i might go with it, Thanks alot man

matm347
03-23-2006, 07:35 AM
to matm-
i only use nvidia or rarely beta drivers from 3dportal drivers,omegas.mmm back in the way back days of my 9800pro,not now with thesenewer 6-7 series nvidia cards.and for 2 i never!overclock anything,if i have to overclock it means i need new hardware,or its not setup correctly.i would score 200-500 points more if a ran a amd 64x2 chip vs my single core sandy because yes the 06 test is more cpu intenvise,ultimatly giving ppl with dual core chips the advangtage of using multithreading in cpu test2 on 06.read up on it,i did and 4200x2 this summer for sure.

I overclock to get the most performance and longest use out of my system which is on the same lines as "most bang for buck". So my $500 4400+ will outpace an FX-60, which is over 1k. I, for one, do not see the point of buying new hardware when a simple overclock will yield equal or sometimes greater performance than the new hardware.
To each their own I suppose.

I would be interested to see an underclocked 7900 though, set to 7800 specs, 430/1200, 460/1300(stock BFG) just to see how the two compare.

bf2nut
03-23-2006, 08:25 AM
I overclock to get the most performance and longest use out of my system which is on the same lines as "most bang for buck". So my $500 4400+ will outpace an FX-60, which is over 1k. I, for one, do not see the point of buying new hardware when a simple overclock will yield equal or sometimes greater performance than the new hardware.
To each their own I suppose.

I would be interested to see an underclocked 7900 though, set to 7800 specs, 430/1200, 460/1300(stock BFG) just to see how the two compare.
er did u say 7900 underclocked?typo??hehe what bringing them down to equal forrrr?and which 7800?
7800gt256=20 pipes
7800gtx256=24 pipes
7900gt256=24 pipes(only $300,beats 7800gtx =0)
7900gtx512= 24 pipes

Yawgm0th
03-23-2006, 09:03 AM
I've been using the ASRock 939Dual for months. It's a great board once you get a couple problems worked out (and it should come with an updated BIOS so you're probably fine). It has an annoying overclocking limitation in the later BIOSes (and you want the later BIOSes), but it's no show-stopper unless your an overclocking freak.

zaqwsx
03-23-2006, 09:21 AM
first of all how high can u overclock on that board
wat cpu works and would a amd 3700+ work
do all graphic cards work on agp
and do all pcie cards work
can u also tell me about the couple problems
and the main thing is the chipset is it grate or wat can it beat the nforce 3 or 4 ultra
ill ask more quetions latter and i hope this isn't to much thanks alot Yawgm0th

Yawgm0th
03-23-2006, 01:42 PM
You can only get HTT to 274 under newer BIOSes. Old BIOSes don't support many processors and have some annoying bugs. The 274 limit mean that a 3000 can get to 2.467, a 3200 to 2.74, and anything above that will do any plausible speed.

It will work with all socket 939 processors, including the 3700.

It will accept any AGP 3.0 video card. Older video cards (we're taking earlier than GeForce 2 here) won't, but that applies with any modern motherboard.
It will accept all PCI-E cards.

No real problems other than that and some of the issues that occur with older BIOSes. It does lack a couple of features that are basically standard in nF4 and NF3, those features being Gigabit Ethernet and Firewire. It also has a bug that prevents SATA drives from being hot-swappable, which won't be an issue for the vast majority of users.

Munkul
03-23-2006, 05:10 PM
for starters,

thats fine how u take u me as,np(name calling is for kids anyways)
i didnt call you one,just said you sounded like one in that post.

most people are satisfied with a resolution lower than even 1600x1200, which means they buy cheaper cards. your religious devotion is blinding you.
anyway, forget it man.

bf2nut
03-24-2006, 12:33 PM
first of all how high can u overclock on that board
wat cpu works and would a amd 3700+ work
do all graphic cards work on agp
and do all pcie cards work
can u also tell me about the couple problems
and the main thing is the chipset is it grate or wat can it beat the nforce 3 or 4 ultra
ill ask more quetions latter and i hope this isn't to much thanks alot Yawgm0thuli is explained in the review here at tweaktown i just read up on it,seems
good as nf3-4..

- Pros
Fast
SATA 2.5 controller
Single Chip (Like nForce 4 AMD)
Supports SLI and Crossfire
Cheaper than nForce 4

read below zach,it is truly a winner.


http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/851/uli_at_it_again_m1697_makes_its_presence_known/index.html


i am very fond of the reviews put together on this site,that why i joined it.:nerd:.


the board link again

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081

Munkul
03-24-2006, 09:27 PM
i too must recomend this board - its the main system at the moment and its great. (hehe i had trouble getting ram to run at full speed with my overclock, then discovered the auto ram settings were wrong, my bad)

zaqwsx
03-25-2006, 03:09 AM
thanks alot bf2nut and munkul

bf2nut
03-25-2006, 06:58 AM
thanks alot bf2nut

anytime:beerchug: