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Mr.Tweak
04-30-2002, 12:42 PM
Chat here about the real OCZ.

Beefy
04-30-2002, 01:09 PM
That will explain why my OCZ Gladiator cooler actually came under a different name.. :angryfire

Anonymous
04-30-2002, 01:10 PM
You are a hypocite! Don't ask why because you know it!

Mr.Tweak
04-30-2002, 01:27 PM
I just report the news...

Beefy
04-30-2002, 01:58 PM
You are a hypocite! Don't ask why because you know it!

wtf?

Anonymous
04-30-2002, 02:27 PM
Have fun getting sued by OCZ's lawyers when they read the post. I've personally forwarded it to them myself.

Beefy
04-30-2002, 02:53 PM
I hope they are gonna sue MadOnion as well then. they've got much more dirt on their site...

hbidad
04-30-2002, 02:57 PM
:angel:

How can 1 little pic say thousands of words?

hbidad
04-30-2002, 02:58 PM
Beefy, that is what I was thinking when I got my Gladiator....at first I was afraid to open it and see the wrong one.

Beefy
04-30-2002, 03:05 PM
I noticed on the site where I got it that it was actually called something else. :)

Bahamut Zer0
04-30-2002, 03:09 PM
I think the gladiator was the only product of theirs I liked.

Their ram wasnt too crash-hot
nor was their other gear.

The one I got came in an OCZ box and all. No sign of any other company manufacturing it anywhere...

hbidad
04-30-2002, 03:23 PM
I guess I should be glad for my pc2400 that does 150 2-2-2. Was gonna go for the 400mhz....but I guess I will stick to the honest companies.....

I wonder if I still have a lifetime warranty!
BTW I live in Indiana... Maybe I will take a drive!

Andy
04-30-2002, 03:29 PM
gosh....

*couSOUNDSVERYDODGEYTOMEgh*

Anonymous
04-30-2002, 03:29 PM
Have fun getting sued by OCZ's lawyers when they read the post. I've personally forwarded it to them myself.

Yeah,and whay do you really give a **** about them so much??

Mr.Tweak
04-30-2002, 03:39 PM
BTW I live in Indiana... Maybe I will take a drive!

Oh, yes? :)

Soverign
04-30-2002, 05:41 PM
Personalky i would like to see this myself too, cause when I was dealing with them they didn't like being beaten by other memory companies in our reviews and requested the results be taken out.

As for the pics and statements dunno if they are 100% or not, all i can say is I trust the sources as far as I can.

As for the OCZ people posing in here is was only a matter of time before it was discovered. Do you have damage control?

Wiggo
04-30-2002, 07:54 PM
Several sites over the past 12mths or so have been on the case of these fellows/crooks and the sooner they go the better. :devil:
As for those stupid unregistered replies I'd just ignore them as VERY uninformed ppl who don't know any better. :p
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Darthtanion
04-30-2002, 09:07 PM
Now what was that old saying that I was trying to remember? Oh yeah...

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

As for OCZ, I'll keep my general opinions to myself. What I CAN say, though, is that when they sent me the last product of theirs for review, they wanted me to send them the review before it posted. I wasn't aware that reviewers were supposed to be proofed by the suppliers. :(

Onyx
04-30-2002, 09:26 PM
Well this proves there is such thing as bad publicity.

I recall when Thermosonic originally lauched the ThermoEngine, there was much controversy over the hollow cored HSF sent to net reviewers and the solid cores sent to retailers. And it's hurt their reputation somewhat - even thought the product itself was decent, the public didn't take well to being lied to.

OCZ have done the same thing, except they don't have a superior product range for the public to forgive them of their shady business practices.

Down with OCZ, down with OCZ.

Albinus
04-30-2002, 09:30 PM
Have fun getting sued by OCZ's lawyers when they read the post. I've personally forwarded it to them myself.


As for those stupid unregistered replies I'd just ignore them as VERY uninformed ppl who don't know any better.

Pacific Internet User (Australia). Pity it's not a static IP - Optus cable users could have fun flood pinging the IP address :D

I have no comment on OCZ - never dealt with them, never had anything to do with them except visit their website, so it's not fit for me to comment :)

Anonymous
05-01-2002, 03:04 PM
Oh comeon Cameron. For months you have been advertising OCZ and getting review items from them. You've got the biggest OCZ banner on all your pages for quite sometime. Now that the OCZ crap is exposed once again, you remove the banner and pretend as if you never dealt with them. Be a real man and say you supported them even though you know their crap as these guys have xposed more thana year agao but still it didn't bother you as long as you get the review amterial and get paid advertising money. I'm sure you might dlete this post but if not then you're getting to be a real man after all. Don't be a hypocrite. Both OCZ and Your site used OCZ. You're stupid if you don't know their reputation eve before you agreed to review thier products and let their ads run on your website with the biggest banner for months.

Acid
05-01-2002, 03:48 PM
As for OCZ, I'll keep my general opinions to myself. What I CAN say, though, is that when they sent me the last product of theirs for review, they wanted me to send them the review before it posted. I wasn't aware that reviewers were supposed to be proofed by the suppliers. :(

Quite a few companies have done this and I don't think they want to have a look at our reviews to make sure that what we are posting is in favour of their products, but rather just to see if you had any errors in the review or if they can clear up any bad points you found with the product. Sometimes it is useful that they are willing to do this because it is often easy to get a bad impression of something, then have that whole opinion turned around with a bit of explanation. They can't force anyone to change the review anyway, all they can offer is suggestions. It's our choice whether or not we take them.

Mr.Tweak
05-01-2002, 04:11 PM
Oh comeon Cameron. For months you have been advertising OCZ and getting review items from them. You've got the biggest OCZ banner on all your pages for quite sometime. Now that the OCZ crap is exposed once again, you remove the banner and pretend as if you never dealt with them.

Blah blah blah... How often do you visit TweakTown? The OCZ ad hasn't be up for many months, for your information. Get your facts right before opening your mouth.

Posting reviews of a companies products doesn't constitute supporting them either, it's what we do here, reviewing everyone's products.

And no I don't intend on deleting your post.

Beefy
05-01-2002, 04:20 PM
Don't you love how all the people who intend on saying something bad about this site always seem not to want to register? Seems pretty gutless to me...

Andy
05-01-2002, 04:24 PM
Now that the OCZ crap is exposed once again, you remove the banner and pretend as if you never dealt with them.


Well, when we were looking into being an official reseller of OCZ memory in Australia...

erm... why do you say he pretended as he never dealt with them??

EDIT: oh, and if its the banners your worried about, look at the banner at the top of this page, then look at the text below it.. just think about it, if it weren't for those ad banners, tweaktown and a hell of a lot of other sites wouldn't exist

Anonymous
05-01-2002, 06:49 PM
Blah blah blah... How often do you visit TweakTown? The OCZ ad hasn't be up for many months, for your information. Get your facts right before opening your mouth.

Posting reviews of a companies products doesn't constitute supporting them either, it's what we do here, reviewing everyone's products.

And no I don't intend on deleting your post.


This just shows the liar you are. Just a month ago you had the OCZ banner up. I have captured that together with the dates and everything. Do you want me to post the snapshot so that all the poeple here will know the lying person you are? Now I know that you are a real liar and just after money. And in your post in the main newspage you said....

"I always knew there was dodgey business going on at OCZ for quite sometime now. However, until now, they were always clever enough to cover their tracks, as any good criminal can. First with the sager of www.athlonoc.com and OCZ owning this hardware review site (a source said OCZ brought the domain for $3500 US from the owner), the misunderstandings between what the differences were from OCZ, OCZ Technology and The Overclockerz Store, and getting friendly with websites like ours and throwing out review samples like they were going out of fashion"

The athlonoc thing was for almost a year and a half now. You said you knew already of their dodgy business and you still let them advertise? Basically with what you said, you are just after the money and you don't care whether they have good reputation or not. So you mean, let the consumer suffer. They just advertise on my site, I don't care.

Albinus
05-01-2002, 07:09 PM
This just shows the liar you are. Just a month ago you had the OCZ banner up. I have captured that together with the dates and everything.


Did you also capture the URL? Probably not - if you did you would have realised that the ad banner was hosted by iamnotageek.com - who kindly hosts the TweakTown forums free of charge. I feel that an ad banner is a small price to pay for a forum community that draws up to 500GB/month in traffic.

I repeat, TweakTown did NOT have any link to OCZ on the front page. All was handled through other sites. In fact, we never received a cent from OCZ for advertising through that advertisment.

Anonymous
05-01-2002, 07:38 PM
Did you also capture the URL? Probably not - if you did you would have realised that the ad banner was hosted by iamnotageek.com - who kindly hosts the TweakTown forums free of charge. I feel that an ad banner is a small price to pay for a forum community that draws up to 500GB/month in traffic.

I repeat, TweakTown did NOT have any link to OCZ on the front page. All was handled through other sites. In fact, we never received a cent from OCZ for advertising through that advertisment.

Oh yes I did. The banner was in all your pages and not only in your forum pages. Besides Cameron already confessed that he did have the OCZ ads but it hasn't been up for many months? Many months? Oh come on. Anyone who can read english will understand what we are talking about here. You can defend all you like surely people reading this forum will see the real picture. I will pass the captured pics to whichever site would be interested in exposing your true colors and the same with IANAG which is the biggest OCZ pimp today. Before it was Martin Krohn and this gang, now its IANAG and you're obviously trying to just keep away from being connected to OCZ even though the pimping here has been quite obvious as well. Also for a community that has 500gb/month also means there are a lot of consumers that will be ripped off by OCZ because of your banner. LettinIANAG manipulate you only means the cooperation between the 2. Like he said he knows the reputation of OCZ for a long time now, surely you would rahter lose the hosting and find a better than lead your flock to doom! I guess you'd rather lead them to doom and save your self and your site. If I have a site, I'd rather lose it than pimp scrupulous vendors. The hell with the site. But you're not one of those. That's where some site stands out. They'd rather lose everything. Look at HardOCP, they left UGO because it was trying to load the OCZ banner on UGO's obligatory banner slot alloted for them. Now that's saying, I'd rather lose money and hosting than pimp for OCZ and let my readers be ripped off. I rest my case.

Mr.Tweak
05-01-2002, 08:40 PM
I've been accused a lot of things before, but a liar is one I take offence to as it is something I wouldn't consider myself - You are putting me on a level which OCZ shares, and especially makes me angry and upset.

You have the nerve to accuse me in my own forums about being a liar and dishonest, yet you haven't even registered. How am I meant to know who I'm talking to here? For all I know, you could be someone from OCZ or just another person causing trouble for the hell of it - the masked Unregistered User stirkes again!

I had no control over the OCZ tower banner which was being displayed last month, as Albinus said, it was the ad of our host and it paid for the server costs - I repeat, I did not have control over the ads which were being displayed. You'll notice now that it has been replaced with a 1COOLPC banner, yet you somehow failed to mention this. I failed to mention this ad before because I thought you were talking about "our" ads, which again comes down to the communication breakdown over the Internet.

If you wish to "expose my true colors" (whatever that may be), go ahead, I don't know what there is to expose though, let me know when other sites post about it so I can catch the goss. The only thing I've done which could be considered remotely "wrong" is the fact that the person which provides us with hosting choose to put an OCZ ad in that spot, which I don't have control over in any case.

I really don't know why I'm trying to defend myself here, there is nothing to defend myself against.

Beefy
05-01-2002, 09:44 PM
This is just ludicrous. How can you possibly even back up your pathetic argument Mr Unregistered?

Firstly, why on earth would you have screenshots of the TT main page, let alone from months ago?

Secondly, it is very easy to doctor a screenshot, especially one as simple as the TT home page. For all we know you could just photoshop the current front page with the OCZ banner in the top and be done with it.

Thirdly, I would like to see some hard evidence supporting what you are saying. Tweak isn't hiding anything. He's been honest about it all. You just come in here flaming away and expect people to believe what you are saying? If you are that eager to prove us wrong, then why not go through all the TT backlogs of posts and news articles, and tell us where OCZ have been mentioned.

Fourth, banners come and go. TT only pick their banner provider, it's the provider that chooses what is being advertised. True, there was OCZ stuff on a couple of months ago. But that's just due to the cycle of banners from the supplier.

I think people reading this forum will want some solid evidence of what you are saying before they even considering believing you. Why would they listen to some Unregistered poster who doesn't even have the guts to identify him/herself as opposed to listening to all the major players on the forums?

Now I bet you'll say we are just covering it all up. We ain't. If we were covering stuff up, don't you think we would have removed the article from the main page? We don't do that around here..

You say that you'd rather lose your site than 'pimp scrupulous vendors', if you had one. Obviously you don't. I've seen the amount of work that people have put into this site, and it's simply not something you'd give up for the sake of a banner or two. I don't care if you flame me for this, it's just MY opinion. I've got no control over what Tweak does with his site.

Anyways, until you can manage to say something civil, constructive and possibly even back it up, I don't think that anyone here will take you seriously....

Anonymous
05-01-2002, 11:30 PM
I hope they are gonna sue MadOnion as well then. they've got much more dirt on their site...

Beefy: Why would you rather have anyone sued? To really let you all know. There was nothing posted that can not be accessed and seen publicly either via the web or via a short trip for some in a car. It's all common public knowledge. Being that it is then OCZ or any of it's so called Affilloated companies have nothing they can base any legal action on.

Oh, and from my understanding, if you decide you want to go by there and have a look see, the place is now closed. That was the latest word on it's existance which was pasted yesterday I do believe.

As for the other Unregistered user who has supposedly fowarded this info to the OCZ lawers. Well it's been 24hrs now and I nor anyone else who has linked to or had any input into the origianl posting on MO has heard anything. In fact the post has been up for almost 2 days now and still noting. You totaly bias and negetive post is the very first I have seen from anyone on this whole matter. So my friend, you stand alone so far (unless of course you count Beefy in).

Oh, if you haven't guessed it by now, I'm MrNatural. The one who posted the original post on MadOnion.com. If you want any of my info as to E Mail and such, then go over to MadOnion.com and look me up. I'm really not hard to find.

Peace out all.

MrNatural
05-01-2002, 11:55 PM
Oh, if you haven't guessed it by now, I'm MrNatural. The one who posted the original post on MadOnion.com. If you want any of my info as to E Mail and such, then go over to MadOnion.com and look me up. I'm really not hard to find.

Peace out all.

I decided to make it a little easier for you guys. This should give you a little better access to who I am.

Mr.Tweak
05-02-2002, 12:32 AM
I decided to make it a little easier for you guys. This should give you a little better access to who I am.

Cheers - Just to make it clear for everyone, Mr Natural is a different person from the first unregistered user who posted, unless he is going from Australia to USA very quickly. :)

Beefy
05-02-2002, 08:15 AM
Beefy: Why would you rather have anyone sued?

That was nothing against your post or MadOnion.com, it was basically just rebuttal against the idiot who was making all the wild claims about our site. He had failed to mention anything about your post, so it was pretty obvious that he was just on a slam campaign against TT.

I must commend you on your work though. You've done well looking into this as much as your did.. :thumb:

Anonymous
05-02-2002, 10:36 AM
I've been accused a lot of things before, but a liar is one I take offence to as it is something I wouldn't consider myself - You are putting me on a level which OCZ shares, and especially makes me angry and upset.

I had no control over the OCZ tower banner which was being displayed last month, as Albinus said, it was the ad of our host and it paid for the server costs - I repeat, I did not have control over the ads which were being displayed. You'll notice now that it has been replaced with a 1COOLPC banner, yet you somehow failed to mention this. I failed to mention this ad before because I thought you were talking about "our" ads, which again comes down to the communication breakdown over the Internet.

Read your post and see why I called you a liar. You said "Blah blah blah... How often do you visit TweakTown? The OCZ ad hasn't be up for many months, for your information. Get your facts right before opening your mouth." When you confessed on your other post as well that "I had no control over the OCZ tower banner which was being displayed last month". Go figure.

Also, no control? You are the owner of the site. You are useless if you cannot control that. Man, anyone reading this, especially someone who also owns a site, will laugh at your reasoning. You just had control now when you asked IANAG to take off the OCZ banner right after the expose came out. I also captured that and the date of when you have the banner last up. SO that is how I got to call you a liar.

Anonymous
05-02-2002, 10:42 AM
This is just ludicrous. How can you possibly even back up your pathetic argument Mr Unregistered?

Firstly, why on earth would you have screenshots of the TT main page, let alone from months ago?

Secondly, it is very easy to doctor a screenshot, especially one as simple as the TT home page. For all we know you could just photoshop the current front page with the OCZ banner in the top and be done with it.

I have screenshots as I have been looking for sites that are somehow linked to OCZ. And your site was obviously one of them.

Secondly, only a fool or someone not experienced as you are will not know a fake snapshot from a doctored one. If you are familiar with photoshop, it is impossible for you not to notice a fake or touched up snapshot from an original one unless you are that ignorant.

Beefy
05-02-2002, 11:04 AM
You think so? Photoshopping something as simple as a webpage is totally different to photoshopping actual photos. All you need to do is cut out the banner and stick in a new one. There is no way that people could tell the difference. I'd be quite happy to give you a demonstration if you would like one.

So when was the last time we had the OCZ banner up anyways? How long was it up for?

And how are they supposed to control something that comes in from an external source? They can contact IANAG and ask it to be changed, but that might not necessarily happen straight away, if at all...

Back to you. To what purpose were you supposedly looking for people associated with OCZ? Are they paying you to do it? Are you against them? It seems to me that you don't know what you are doing. First, you say you sent Cam's post to the OCZ lawyers (yeah, right...) then you say that you have been looking at OCZ-associated sites for however long. How does this make sense? If you were helping OCZ, then why keep screenshots of sites that have banners.... but if you were against them, why send something to their lawyers? Unless, of course, that is a different unregistered user. Although it seems to me to be the same.. But, that's what you get for people not brave enough to tell us who they are.

hbidad
05-02-2002, 11:24 AM
Who cares about the banners of OCZ? What is the big deal?

Moose
05-02-2002, 11:31 AM
This just shows the liar you are.
B]

You dumb ****...

You calling my M8 a Liar?

I happen to know Tweak and he is a very respectable guy...


And you think you are more of a man than him?
If so.... post your address and I will come over and see how much of a "Man" you really are...



Pfffttt....dumbarse.

Mr.Tweak
05-02-2002, 11:50 AM
For some reason you have tried to make me look the criminal and dishonest person here, not OCZ, who have been proved to be just that.

I have no idea what your intent is, but as of this post it's going to end, I've had enough and honestly have better things to occupy myself with - I'll be locking this thread and deleting any others because all your doing is trying to cause trouble and fade the real truth about OCZ.

You seem to be a little thick to me - Beefy and I have said repeatedly that we did not have any control over the external banner which was being showed by our hosting provider what-so-ever, again, we did not have control over the external banner which was being showed by our hosting provider what-so-ever - We are in a contract, so removing the ad code was not an option. And as for your comment of suddenly removing it, 1COOLPC (the new banner) offered John Apps (the host) a better offer and as such the OCZ banner has now been removed. In any case, it was changed well before my post, I did NOT ask John to remove the banner, and anyway even if OCZ were advertising with us it wouldn't have stopped me exposing the dishonest practises of OCZ - readers have a right to know the truth - Email John at johnapps@iamnotageek.com and he'll tell you the exact same thing, I encourage you (or anyone) to email him, please do - I have nothing to hide, if I did have something to hide this thread would have been deleted long ago.

You've tried to blow this whole thing way out of preparation, for whatever reason, I have no idea. You say you've been covering sites like ours for this type of thing, you accuse ME with having a link with OCZ, in actual fact it seems more like YOU are the one who has the link with them and your monitoring of these sites and trying to fade away the truth about OCZ by spinning this little story of yours. It would not surprise me if I'm speaking to one of the OCZ guys right now.

Your story isn't holding up, this is because it is a bunch of crap and I'm sure this would be obvious to everyone who is reading. Who would spend all this time and effort if they had no alliance with OCZ? Give me a break, go chase a truck or something, do something better with your time, something better than making up false stories like this one which is truly a bunch of bull dust.

End of story -- not that there was a story to begin with.

Wiggo
05-03-2002, 03:59 PM
Wonder how the Kiwi will feel when the sheep promised by OCZ don't turn up like promised. :cackle: :laugh: :cackle:
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