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ct_
06-10-2002, 01:10 AM
read about it here: www.harddrivehell.com

tried the freezer trick, no go

i ****ing HATE maxtor

and, their customer service techs suck disk and are rude as well

they wouldn't answer ANY technical questions i had for them

as soon as i get the $$ i'm gonna switch all my drives to those farking glass-platter IBM drives! i bet they'll hold up better than this ****!

and i'll dump these damn drives on ebay! some sucker will be glad to get them

:shoot: MAXTOR
:shoot3: MAXTOR
MAXTOR :shoot2:
MAXTOR = :snip:

Darthtanion
06-10-2002, 03:01 AM
:laugh: :laugh: But hey... they support ATA133! :laugh: :laugh:

I'll stick with the Seagate I'm using now. I'd be wary of IBM unless you do a LOT of research. I've already lost one IBM drive, and I don't plan on using them until I'm fully satisfied that their drives aren't going to die on me... AGAIN!

outvit
06-10-2002, 07:10 AM
read about it here: www.harddrivehell.com

tried the freezer trick, no go

i ****ing HATE maxtor

and, their customer service techs suck disk and are rude as well

they wouldn't answer ANY technical questions i had for them

as soon as i get the $$ i'm gonna switch all my drives to those farking glass-platter IBM drives! i bet they'll hold up better than this ****!

and i'll dump these damn drives on ebay! some sucker will be glad to get them

:shoot: MAXTOR
:shoot3: MAXTOR
MAXTOR :shoot2:
MAXTOR = :snip:

Maxtor, Seagate and Western Digital are the elite three hard-drive makers. They make the best drives on the market.

Darthtanion
06-10-2002, 07:33 AM
I'd probably have to remove Maxtor from your listing. Though they have improved over the past three years, they still don't make hard drives that effectively compete with the others in it's class. Hopefully they continue to improve, but I don't think that they're there yet.

Wiggo
06-10-2002, 10:27 AM
Ya hate Maxtors but ya want to get another suspect brand? :crazy:
Go for either Seagate or WD as these are much more reliable and their RMA's are also much better if ya ever do come across a bad one which out of the many of both that I've use I've only had 1 dud of each. :smokin:
<center>:cheers:</center>

FLaCo
06-11-2002, 12:31 AM
I agree with Wiggo, why are you gonna trash Maxtor then go to a 50/50 HDD like IBM...Go with Western Digital and get your self the 8 MB beauty. I've never used Seagate but never seen or heard any complaints about them. I have seen complaints about Maxtor and heard horror stories on IBM:laugh:. But nothing about WD... I have a Maxtor in my 933 P3 and to be honest with you have had no problems with it YET ;but, i had no choice it came with my HP. If i did, it would have been a WD... SoOoOoO you guessed it i'm a WD man. Buy them you won't regret it...and i've seen the Caviar's a bit cheaper than Maxtor's ATA133 Drives too.

outvit
06-11-2002, 06:22 AM
I agree with Wiggo, why are you gonna trash Maxtor then go to a 50/50 HDD like IBM...Go with Western Digital and get your self the 8 MB beauty. I've never used Seagate but never seen or heard any complaints about them. I have seen complaints about Maxtor and heard horror stories on IBM:laugh:. But nothing about WD... I have a Maxtor in my 933 P3 and to be honest with you have had no problems with it YET ;but, i had no choice it came with my HP. If i did, it would have been a WD... SoOoOoO you guessed it i'm a WD man. Buy them you won't regret it...and i've seen the Caviar's a bit cheaper than Maxtor's ATA133 Drives too.

I agree with you on the "8mb beauty" but IBM has a slightly higher success rate there dude... Its more of a 95/5 rate... Its more likely that its been blown way out of preportion but Western Digital and Seagate along with Maxtor are the absolute best there is available. I myself use Western Digital WD1200's like the one's Flaco so elegantly described. I love their ATA100 capability and they are a dream come true in a RAID configuration.

Back to the original post, what do you have against Maxtor, it seems to me that this is an isolated event and is not a reason at all to abandon one of the best hard drive makers in the world.

Darthtanion
06-11-2002, 07:44 AM
Though it seems your comment was directed at another, I'll go ahead and add my two cents worth since I too recommended that folks stay away from Maxtor...

I've used a number of Maxtor drives over the past few years, and they have been plagued with mediocre performance. Add to this the bad sectors that normally crop up using this brand of drive and you can see why I suggest an alternative.

Like I indicated above, they have made improvements over the past three years or so, but they're just not at a level that can make them competitive with other drive makers.

Oh... and IBM sucks. Any questions about that and you can try to retrieve the data off my dead 60GXP drive. It's not that bad a thing to have a glitch in your product line, but they have ignored world-wide pleas for support with these models, and the 75GXPs were even worse. Hopefully the new 120GXP drives will take care of the problems plaguing this model, but I'll stay away from a company that sells a dodgey drive and then has the balls to say that there isn't a problem. That's bad business in my book. :(

Beefy
06-11-2002, 07:51 AM
Just for the record, I've got two Maxtor drives in my PC at home, and I haven't had a HDD related problem yet.. :)

Darthtanion
06-11-2002, 12:09 PM
I wish that I could say the same thing. :(

Morgan_Lander
06-11-2002, 02:01 PM
I've seen more Maxtors and Western Digitals here at home, and I have to say the WD's are the more reliable. I have had only one WD go, and it was a 4.3 5400RPM ATA66 drive I'd purchased used. I've had to RMA about 3 or 4 Maxtors so far, but I keep my data backed up, so it's not a big deal.

Bahamut Zer0
06-11-2002, 11:33 PM
I got a glass platter IBM 60GXP 40gig model. Not a problem so far. Purchased in October 2001, which apparantly was a "Good month" for production.

Maxtor have ****ty drives out at the moment. Might have something to do with them & Quantum merging..... Quantum were the IBM of the 90's.

Western Digital 100gigs are the fastest out there. Seagate support can be a bit dodgey in Australia. Ive had two drives (8gig and a 4gig) sent off still under warranty only to be refused because the drives were re-sold under another company. (in my case- Compaq Australia)
Compaq offer 1year warranty, Segate offer 3 and will not honor it, despite them manufacturing the drive.

Im looking at my 8gig now. Is keeping my door nice and still. Nice kick marks on it too.
:(
Platters of the 4gig are hanging from a wall entertaining my 2yo cousin.
:(

Various other incidents with segate involve general BS like packaging. I sent the drive safe and secure in their 'Shell' cases and they send it back in foam & a flimsy box.
But good drives, just watch their support. Or lack of it.

ct_
06-12-2002, 01:00 AM
.....
Back to the original post, what do you have against Maxtor, it seems to me that this is an isolated event and is not a reason at all to abandon one of the best hard drive makers in the world.

yer joking right?

get real, maxtor sucks ASS and will never be considered "good"

i suggest you go to www.harddrivehell.com and read up, click the links to the old news and keeps going

this is FAR FAR from an isolated event

i have had a 0/100 rate with maxtor drives

why do i still have them?

cuz they won't refund my $$, only RMA them

for those who seriously thought i was gonna use a glass plater drive, HA! we both know better than that...

outvit
06-12-2002, 04:14 AM
yer joking right?

get real, maxtor sucks ASS and will never be considered "good"

i suggest you go to www.harddrivehell.com and read up, click the links to the old news and keeps going

this is FAR FAR from an isolated event

i have had a 0/100 rate with maxtor drives

why do i still have them?

cuz they won't refund my $$, only RMA them

for those who seriously thought i was gonna use a glass plater drive, HA! we both know better than that...

I have NEVER had a problem with Maxtor drives.

Darthtanion
06-12-2002, 06:50 AM
I'm real happy that you haven't had any problems with Maxtor drives, but their reliability is rather well documented as an issue to be concerned with when making a purchase.

BZ,
I'll agree that the older Seagate drives were far from worthy, but the ones that have been maketed during the past year or two have improved quite a bit. I'm just getting back into a Seagate drive so haven't had the necessity to RMA one, so I can't speak for their support. But I CAN speak for their performance. They rank rather high up the food chain in this area, and I haven't had any problems at all using a Barracuda drive with multiple partitions and both FAT32 and NTFS file systems installed.

Albinus
06-12-2002, 05:46 PM
Out of the (literally) hundreds of drives I have diagnosed faulty for clients, every brand under the sun has appeared in the list except Western Digital. They did have a bad run in 1999 due to a faulty chip being supplied by a contractor, but almost all the faulty drives were successfully recalled. My 2GB Caviar AC22000L 5200RPM drive has fallen off the end of my desk twice, onto the timber floor - not a single bad sector to this day. Has been serving me almost continuously since I built my first system in December 1997 :)

Here is a list of the brands I have found faulty (in order of percentage - most reliable first). So therefore my recommended purchasing order :D

1) Western Digital
2) Quantum
3) Seagate
4) IBM
5) Maxtor
6) Fujitsu
7) JTS (every one dead)

Bahamut Zer0
06-12-2002, 08:08 PM
Its funny you should mention that Darth, I had a customer from the 'states bring his machine in for an upgrade (new PSU/modem etc cause of differences between the countries) and his seagate drive was same model as my 8gig, yet the outside was totally different. Mine has the rubber outside layer thing, wheras his was a silver shell one, like the old school medalist 2gig drives. Identical model numbers, even manufactued same year.

These newer seagates arent really that good ive found (performance wise) and im still having the occasional *****-fight with them & RMA cases. Western Digital get my thumbs up. Their caviar drives I never did like, but these new ones go off. So does their support.

Not quite as fast as my deskstar, but im starting to keep an eagle-eye on it, first sign of failure, and its backup & get me a nice 100+gig western digital.
in a weird kinda way- i want this deskstar to fail, need an excuse for a 100gig hdd. :)

zzilver
06-20-2002, 03:56 PM
I am just curious about the amount of drives these companies sell worldwide. If we are going to decide which harddisk is the best we should consiser these numbers.

If Maxtor, for example, sells twice as much drives as Western Digital. It is very logical, they have twice the amount of problems.

Albinus has worked with all brands so his opinion is valued.

I also have Maxtor drives, and haven't had any problems (yet)
:rolleyes2

Dlab
06-20-2002, 05:52 PM
:D I can't say about the WD's, I've had little experence.......although, my buddies at "The Network Giant Co." have been beating feet from IBM, since the heat problem cropped up, and their now are indorsing WD. I've had the best luck with Q Bigfoots. Old, but Damned reliable. Of all the ones I've picked up since '97, I've only had one get tweaky...... Lately I've been picky up Maxtors again.

I've found that two things are critical, in my opion, 1) keep'm cool and 2) turn the damn rigs off when not in use. I know more people that buy into the ..."Keep them Running theory".... than can't figure out why the drives fail after a couple of months.

I would be very interested in seeing some reliblity #'s, if anyone cone across any....

:thumb: well these my two$ worth..............:beer:

WiKed
06-20-2002, 10:15 PM
Thats actually quite funny, not many people liking the ibm's. Im running 4 - 40GB ibm hdd (in raid 5) , and havent had a hardware related issue yet

Wiggo
06-20-2002, 11:41 PM
I would say then that ya have a good source of cool fresh air blowing over them then otherwise ya'd know the misery that others have had with them. :smokin:
<center>:cheers:</center>

farrier
06-21-2002, 03:09 AM
i own a small custom shop here in the states and won't use any drive other than wd now, i gave maxtor a shot but right at this present time i have 98% failure rate on them so nothing good will ever be said about them

WiKed
06-21-2002, 12:08 PM
I would say then that ya have a good source of cool fresh air blowing over them then otherwise ya'd know the misery that others have had with them. :smokin:
<center>:cheers:</center>


i thought every sensible person runs at least 1 fan for hdd

silly me

Beefy
06-21-2002, 12:12 PM
I don't.. :)

WiKed
06-21-2002, 12:14 PM
yeh thats what i thought, i said every sensible person

Beefy
06-21-2002, 12:28 PM
Seriously though, my HDD's are fine without it...

Wiggo
06-21-2002, 12:33 PM
Very sensible when running IBM's anyway, but WD's and Seagates don't seem to mind plus ya got to remember that a lot of ppl out there use generic cases that don't allow the HDD's to be mounted where fresh air will cool them. :smokin:
<center>:cheers:</center>

fragman
06-21-2002, 12:34 PM
Here's my two cents:

I've never used Quantum drives since all the 6.4Gb CX drives started falling of the perch. Maxtor merged with Quantum, they now produce Quantum drives badged as Maxtor. Maxtor also always had speed issues with alot of their drives being released in "quiet mode"

Since then I've been using Seagate. Only a few RMA's out of 100's, mainly on their U6 5400rpm drives.

Seagate or WD are the way to go.

Dlab
06-21-2002, 05:02 PM
Most of the cases we are running here are gen's. I have been very careful to keep the drives as free and as far from the other heat producers as possible. Lately, I've been dropping the drives to the bottom of the case, since I found the Evercase hard drive toolless mounting brackets. Their nice and just the right highth to put two drives in raid behind the front case fan. And at $5 usd, each, one great solution.

My, personel rig is in a Maxtop case. Lovely little case, part alum and with 7 high preformance fans.....cool air is in good supply. The T's are good, and for the hardcores, The full load T's were done with a 12 hour "Burnin Loop," with Mb 5 tracking, and probe spot checks.

I have maybe hundred hard drives between the wk & hm. To date I have only one drive that's getting tweaky, a 6 Gig Q bigfoot. I can't complain, It's old.. tired..and greatly mistreated, but after 6years....hey. It's still running....

Keep'm cool and shut them off when they are not in use

zzilver
06-24-2002, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Dlab

My, personel rig is in a Maxtop case. Lovely little case, part alum and with 7 high performance fans.....cool air is in good supply.

Keep'm cool and shut them off when they are not in use

Why would anyone have HDD installed, and not use 'em?

What do you mean by shut them off. Do you mean the power save menu in window?
Or do you mean, turn your system off when your done.

And finally,
Does your case fly since it's made of aluminium and has 7 fans? wings: :cackle:

Darthtanion
06-24-2002, 08:06 PM
What do you mean by shut them off. Do you mean the power save menu in window?
Or do you mean, turn your system off when your done.
Turn the system off when it's not in use.