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JosH
12-17-2001, 10:47 AM
Hey, do you all recommend using an NTFS partition for windows XP

Wiggo
12-17-2001, 10:56 AM
If ya usin' solely XP then yes but if ya usin' a dual boot with a Win9x os then FAT 32 maybe a better way to start with some both os's can share files. :smokin:
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Grim Reaper
12-17-2001, 11:05 AM
yeah...exactly what wiggo said...im not dual booting...well i am but with 2k, so NTFS is good...i like how you can set security for certain users...so i can restrict the Guest account to some of my folders :) So pretty much, if your not dual booting with 9x then yes, you should:)

Darthtanion
12-17-2001, 11:11 AM
Silly question since I'm a NTFS newb...
Will it still copy files to a CD that can be read by a Win9x system? Or will it only be usable on another NTFS compatible system?

Grim Reaper
12-17-2001, 11:17 AM
nah the files are fine...it converts them to some readable format that all windows can read...:thumb: :beer:

aznx
12-17-2001, 11:28 AM
ntfs rules
just that win9x can't see them and it sometimes may hang on boot trying to look for a drive it can't read...lol

ntfs is fast too:)

Grim Reaper
12-17-2001, 11:55 AM
but you can download a program that builds itself into 98 as a service and allows you to view NTFS Partitions like a normal FAT32...supposedly runs pretty good...haven't seen it run myself..any care to test it? oh btw, if anyone wants the link, ill post it later when im on my box coz im @ school atm...

Wiggo
12-17-2001, 12:30 PM
Yeah Kheldar pointed me to 2 such programs (and he'd know what works and what doesn't) but as I'm new to it (and thankfully because of 1 of my nics) decided to go just with FAT32 so both os's can share programs and files and if XP causes me any probs I have SE as the back up. ;)
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Osiris
12-17-2001, 02:41 PM
Yeah Kheldar pointed me to 2 such programs (and he'd know what works and what doesn't) but as I'm new to it (and thankfully because of 1 of my nics) decided to go just with FAT32 so both os's can share programs and files and if XP causes me any probs I have SE as the back up. ;)
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I have done as well Wiggo - the first four partitions of my hard drive are FAT32, so that in both 98SE and XP my drive letters are all the same, et cetera, then I have a final 'Secure' partition (Z:) that has seperate folders set up so that only certain users can access them.

Wiggo
12-17-2001, 02:54 PM
Mines a little different with 4 partitions C:\ being SE, D:\ being XP with the shared files on both E:\ and F:\ . ;)
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Osiris
12-17-2001, 03:22 PM
C:\ = Windows 98 SE (FAT32)
D:\ = Windows XP Professional (FAT32)
E:\ = SwapDrive (FAT32)
F:\ = Data (FAT32)
G:\ = CD-ROM (N/a :p)
Z:\ = Secure (NTFS)

Grim Reaper
12-17-2001, 06:26 PM
seeings as every1's postin their drives, thought id post mine :)

C:\ = XP (NTFS)
D:\ = Swaps (FAT32)
E:\ = 2K Pro (FAT32, gonna convert over to NTFS sometime)
F:\ = All other stuff (NTFS)
G:\ = Burner

Andy
12-17-2001, 06:33 PM
i'll follow like a lost sheep :D

A:\ = Floppy(deeeeerrrrrrr!)
C:\ = winxp + programs (FAT32)
D:\ = all my other ****e (NTFS)
E:\ = CD Burner
F:\ = CD Drive

Bahamut Zer0
12-17-2001, 07:40 PM
Darth, files on any CD are in the 'CDFS' filesystem format. Readable from any version of windows/Mac/Linux/misc OS
It doesnt matter what type of filesystem the source files come from, they end up CDFS when they reach the seedy-rom

Heres a quick rundown of the benefits/differences of NTFS and FAT32:

NTFS Filesystem:
Recommended minimum volume size is approximately 10 megabytes (MB).
Volumes much larger than 2 terabytes (TB) are possible.
Cannot be used on floppy disks.
File size limited only by size of volume.
A computer running Windows XP or Windows 2000 can access files on an NTFS partition. A computer running Windows NT 4.0 with Service Pack 4 or later might be able to access some files. Other operating systems allow no access.


FAT32:
Volumes from 512 MB to 2 TB.
In Windows XP, you can format a FAT32 volume up to 32 GB only.
Does not support domains.
Access is available only through Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98, Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 2000, and Windows XP.


As you can see- If you deal with large files (eg- dvd rippin) the NTFS filesystem is better suited to this task. It is also less prone to fragmentation, and very secure. However- this security can be a real pain in the arse when you really wanna acess something without any hassles.

Anyway, my HDD setup is as follows:

C: WinXP Pro (NTFS)
D: Games/Whatever storage (FAT32)
E: 4.3gig DVD rip storage (NTFS)
F: DVD-ROM (CDFS/DVD Formats)
E: CDRW (CDFS)

sKuLLsHoT
12-17-2001, 10:20 PM
i personally can NOT see the point in not making your system partition NTFS, as system security problems can (and have...for my short tests) occur. if you claim to want to be able to dual boot a 9x and an NTx os, then the best recommendation i can give is to use 3 partitions minimum with a caresay C=9x(FAT32), D=NTx(NTFSx), E=Data(FAT32).

My configuration that i use is (given that drive letters are bloody well configurable, i see no point in stating the drive names):

Disk 0 (0): Win2k (NTFS)
Disk 0 (1): Win2KS (NTFS)
Disk 0 (2): LINUX swap (SWAP)
Disk 0 (3): DATA (FAT32)
Disk 1 (0): MUSIC (FAT32)

just so you know, i changed "Disk 0 (1)" from the original win98, to RedHat, to winXP, and now to win2ks (preparing for MorBius), all with my current win2k sitting as an NTFS volume the whole time...

SileNceR
12-18-2001, 09:09 PM
"restrict the Guest account to some of my folders "

i think you mean from accessing not TO


"...it converts them to some readable format that all windows can read..."

all cds are burnt in an ISO standard format, using different joliet formats and can be read by all os' including Linux, Unix and Mac, OS2 and all versions of windows and dos... although long filenames might be a problem.
Hence .iso cd images.


"just that win9x can't see them and it sometimes may hang on boot trying to look for a drive it can't read"

my 98 install runs fine just the drive letters are a bit different - you will see an explanation to why a little below (and if u only make ur xp or 2k partition ntfs it doesnt matter, and just protects special files like your SAM password records)


"that builds itself into 98 as a service and allows you to view NTFS Partitions like a normal FAT32"

no such thing as a service in windows 9x, it would be run in the background, as well as being prone to crashes (hello data loss) and probably losing out on the security features you use NTFS for in the first place, and having this extra "service" running and playing a game off an NTFS partition would cause unparrelleled load on your system, thing, the game AND the program open active at the same time, lots of disk and ram access by BOTH.... they would be competing for resources, and again more prone to crashing...


" do you all recommend using an NTFS partition for windows XP"

since the question is "partition for XP" i see no reason why you SHOULDNT, if you install all programs into fat32 partitions for ease of access by other os' such as linux and win9x you should have no problems (unless you dont have any other os' in which case just NTFS is fantastic.)


I agree with sks on this one:

"system security problems can (and have...for my short tests) occur. if you claim to want to be able to dual boot a 9x and an NTx os, then the best recommendation i can give is to use 3 partitions minimum with a caresay C=9x(FAT32), D=NTx(NTFSx), E=Data(FAT32)"


and for my devices:

a: - floppy (1.44mb :P)
c: win98 (3gb)
d: swaps (1gb)
e: executables (28gb)
f: files/music (28gb)
g: downloads (11gb)
h: winXP (3gb)
i: slot load cdrom (max 700mb)
j: 8x4x32x cdrw (sony crx140e) (max 700mb)
k: win98old (2.5gb)
l: swapsold (2.5gb)
m: 45gbdata1 (17.5gb)
n: 45gbdata2 (17.5gb)
o: oldXP (3gb)

however, in win98 the drives are swapped as follows:

a=a
c=c
k=d
d=e
e=f
f=g
g=h
l=i
m=j
n=k
i=l
j=m

the two NTFS partitions disappear (h: and o:)
cdroms goto the end
the old c: being a primary partition is put second (its the primary partition second drive) because of the way 98 works:

Primary Partition (Primary master)
Primary Partition (primary slave)
Primary partition (secondary master)
Primary Partition (secondary slave)
Extended [logical drives] (primary M)
Extended [logical drives] (primary S)
Extended [logical drives] (secondary M)
Extended [logical drives] (secondary S)

so watch out for this if u dual boot, put all ntfs partitions at the end of ur drive and if u have more than one hdd arrange the drive letters in XP to reflect how they would appear in 9x as they cannot be changed in 9x but can in xp... do this when you start so programs dont have trouble looking at the wrong drive (as i myself have looking for downloads in 9x on drive g: when it is really f and i want g: which is now h:....)


grr :)

Grim Reaper
12-18-2001, 09:17 PM
woah...now thats a post!! hehehe! :thumb:

SileNceR
12-18-2001, 09:33 PM
well considering I put 40 minutes into it you better take the time to read it..

sKuLLsHoT
12-18-2001, 10:03 PM
ooooh, lets see...admin...delete...what post?


HAHA j/k

but you know i could do it and blame the abnormal atmospheric conditions caused by the exiocentric movements of several layers within the earths crust..

it HAS happened to others before :king:

Darthtanion
12-18-2001, 10:21 PM
That would suck. :cackle: :cackle: :cackle:

Morgan_Lander
12-19-2001, 12:54 AM
Unless you're dual booting with a non-NT OS (win9x,3.x, Unixes) go with NTFS. It provides better protection.

Example: we've all had the power go down on us during a storm, right? Usually, NTFS doesn't need to be checked afterwards. Why? It's the way NTFS was designed, with a higher fault-tolerance. FAT32 will almost always be checked in the even of recovery after power failure.

Morgan_Lander
12-19-2001, 12:57 AM
Oh, BTW, if it's across a network, it doesn't have any effect--or at least shouldn't have one.

SileNceR
12-19-2001, 09:14 PM
i suggest you google "NTFS" and windows NT security and advanced sharing then come back and share your little so called "gems"* of wisdom Morgan lander...


*gems are synonymous with little peices of ****