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Realjones
07-18-2002, 11:01 AM
im not sure if this is a problem with my video card or my monitor, but it's a problem non the less. Some quick info first: im using a pny geforce4 ti4400 with the 29.42 detinator driver from the Nvidia website. i already tried uninstalling and reinstalling the driver and card.

my problem is that when playing games, the graphics are screwy. It's like some the pixels are blurred or miscolored. Some pictures will provide a much better explanation of what im talking about:

http://www.geocities.com/boyd888/blocks1.html

look at upper center and top right.

http://www.geocities.com/boyd888/blocks2.html

upper center. the pixels that are off color are what i see in game. They arent stationary either, they are always flickering and more and less are appearing all the time. Rather annoying.

Now this is where the real fun starts. if i open up that previous page in internet explorer (blocks2.html), the above picture is what i see....but, if i drag the bottom nav bar back and forth a little, i eventually end up with this crap:

http://www.geocities.com/boyd888/blocks4.html

I see redness on the right. No clue what causes that to happen.

http://www.geocities.com/boyd888/nascar.html

problem is obvious here, looks like tons of little white bugs crawling all over the wall. on the car as well.

Anywhere there's my problem, if it's not a graphics problem, but an issue with a monitor (or any other part of my computer), if anyone could forward me to an appropriate site it'd be greatly appreciated.

Also, i have a second monitor...would switching monitors allow me to isolate the problem as either video or display problem?

Wiggo
07-18-2002, 01:10 PM
Now that's usually what ya get when an overclock is gettin' too far. How well ventilated is your case? Throwing in the rest of the specs to your PC as well would be good. :smokin:
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Realjones
07-18-2002, 10:21 PM
afaik, it's not being overclocked. all i did was put it in the case and install the software for it. i certainly did not do anything to purposely overclock it. How can i check to see if it's being overclocked?

the rest of my system:
2 ghz P4
768 MB DDR RAM
20GB Hard Drive MT
845 El Paso 2 motherboard
running XP home edition

as for ventilation, I just have whatever fan came in the PC (it's a gateway) and the video card also has its own fan.

zeradul
07-19-2002, 01:51 AM
Well then there is your problem. You bought a Gateway.

Do whatever you can to get a refund, and then either build your own system, or get a Dell. Gateway is nearly out of business, and when they go under, no one will be there to replace your numerous hardware failures you will see in the next few years.

If you cannot get a refund from gateway, the best you can do is add alot of fans, and baby the computer forever. Not only is it junk, it is very fragile and unstable.

You should have read some reviews, for example, Consumer Reports magazine has not rated Gateway higher than last, or second to last for over two years. Good Luck.

Wiggo
07-19-2002, 08:40 AM
If you have a "Name" brand PC then don't bother tryin' to upgrade as it always winds up bein' a failure or very expensive. :(
Best to start plannin' on buildin' your own setup with exactly what ya want inside and leave the "Name" one as a backup. ;)
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Realjones
07-19-2002, 10:36 AM
sigh, well i fail to see "it's a gateway, it's crap" reasoning as going to be able to help my problem...but thanks.

I have 2 other gateway computers, owned the first once since 1998, and the second since 2001, and they are both fine. The hard drive on one and i had to resintall windows on the other, but that's it.

i was going to originally bulld my own computer, but my parents bought me this computer for college. I'd be stupid not to accept it.

Anyway, thanks for the help.

Wiggo
07-19-2002, 10:46 AM
I'm not sayin' that they're crap but they are designed to work in one configuration and that is the configuration that they're sold in. Companies such as Gateway, Dell and other "Name" brands DO NOT WANT PPL CHANGING THINGS (unless you send it back to them) so they don't have to be called upon to troubleshoot anything but what they assembled which is why I tell ppl if they can't assemble there own to go to a good small PC store and get what they want from there as these then can be upgraded without the hassles of custom motherboards and BIOS's. :smokin:
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FLaCo
07-19-2002, 10:56 AM
IS there any possible way to get a refund?...or are you stuck...?
Its cool that you Folks gotcha a computer and not taking or giving back gift is just rude you know...so don't see as bad thing...but if you explain to them the benefits on building your own rig and the downside or "name" brand computers...i believe they are bound to understand.: peace2:

zeradul
07-19-2002, 01:41 PM
I provided a solution in my first post.

the best you can do is add alot of fans

Realjones
07-19-2002, 10:14 PM
there's no way to take it back, cause it's been opened and used.

About fans...would i add more or just replace the fans in their now with better ones? It looks like it has 3 fans (2 fans and one on video card) right now.

Wiggo
07-19-2002, 10:35 PM
He really meant case fans not including the ones on the HSF, vid card or PSU and sometimes mobo chipset. ;)
Usually ya have one intake fan low in the front panel and sometimes another in the rear just above the vid card suckin' hot air out or a position made for one to which a fan is easily added. If ya add another intake fan to the side panel blowin' over the vid card and another in the top panel suck more hot air out ya'll have near perfect case ventilation though both these require a hole cut into the panels and mountin' holes drilled. It just could be that your vid card is gettin' too hot because of the lack of air circulation. :smokin:
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zeradul
07-20-2002, 10:52 AM
It just could be that your vid card is gettin' too hot because of the lack of air circulation.
Yup, That is very likely what it is.

chisholm
07-24-2002, 07:08 PM
yea buying a brand name PC i supposed to give u peace of mind and convenience having it built for u and suppsedly a reliable warranty...gateway packing it bags in australia seems to confirm the opposite:cheers:

Wiggo
07-24-2002, 07:15 PM
Realjones I've heard a few reports lately on some Gainward cards and it seems that they had a bad lot of RAM which was causin' this problem and maybe yours as well. :smokin:
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False Christian
08-04-2002, 08:15 PM
Maybe you could try the 30.30 beta drivers? It could be a graphic problem that needs to be fixed with updated drivers.:beer:

Realjones
08-05-2002, 07:32 AM
ill try the newer drivers and see how they work, but i tend to agree with the others that the card is probably too hot.

As for bad RAM, wouldn't the problem have started from the moment i installed the card? the card was working fine for a while before the problems started.

Also, is there anyway i can attach heat sinks ot the card or install another fan to cool off the card without drilling any holes? ;)

Wiggo
08-05-2002, 07:49 AM
Ok have a look at these two links, http://www.pcpowerzone.co.uk/reviews.php?id=116 and http://www.mikhailtech.com/articles/cooling/1cpcvideo260/ . ;)
Also do you have a temp monitoring program there and if so does the case run cooler when open? :?:
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ReSpAwN DeMoN
08-06-2002, 02:52 AM
I got sort of a similar problem but I can deal with mine and most likely no one would even notice. But being we're talking about the subject I might as well bring it up and see if there is anytyhing that can be done. Instead of a smooth flowing high quality sky. I sort of well I don't know how to describe it but basically its like this. You know the big black blotches? As they move away from your view they tend to just dissapate into the sky. Well instead of blurring into the orange like sky it'll be like a line around it and it'll sort of turn a greenish like color and at the ends of the lines it'll have a 256 color photograph type look. Where as my friends it kind of just blurrs into the orange sky. Is this a video card problem? Or some kind of tweak that cna be fixed. Or is this just what geforce 3's and up make it look like. Because someone has a geforce 2 pro and it looks smooth and his brother has a geforce 4 mx 420 and his looks smooth as well. Is geforce 3 and up have this look? Like is this what it would look like if I put in a geforce 4 ti 4600 or even an nv30?? The level that I'm talking about if you want to compare to me if your the same or not is Q3DM7.

http://members.fortunecity.com/respawndemon/bigblur.jpg

Realjones
08-06-2002, 04:06 AM
thanks wig, that's exactly what i was looking for. know of any stores that sell them or am i going to have to order them?

also, is there any easy way to get them off if they don't solve my problem? seems to me people were saying that the problems im having are caused by too far of an overclocking (ie the card is too hot), yet i wasnt overclocking at all, so adding some heat sinks should solve the problem. i can always return the card for a new one, but i'm afraid that adding heat sinks would void the warranty, and then i'd be stuck with a faulty card.

finally, i have no clue if i have a temp monitoring program or not.

Realjones
08-06-2002, 09:04 AM
here's what gta3 looked like running with my case open:

http://www.geocities.com/boyd888/gta.html

still having problems :( keep in my mind that I'm not overclocking at all either. i think i am going to return the card, and then attach heat sinks to the new one and hope i dont have the same problem again.

Wiggo
08-06-2002, 10:26 AM
Once you fit the heatsinks its permanant. Also you don't have to be overclocking to have a heat problem, if your case doesn't circulate enough fresh air thru the system will cause the same problem. ;)
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Realjones
08-06-2002, 12:31 PM
ok, but i had my system open and i was still having the problem :( i guess ill trade in the card and then put heat sinks on the new one.

Wiggo
08-06-2002, 12:44 PM
When ya have the case open did ya try with a desk fan blowing into it? :?:
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Andy72
08-07-2002, 03:40 AM
Realjones, have you tried with different videocard? I mean that would easily tell you if the problem is your videocard (or drivers) or maybe something else.

I had similar, yet totally different problems and I blamed my videocard at first. Then I put in a old 4mb pci svga card and it also gave the same problems. In the end it was faulthy athlon thunderbird processor. Still had guarantee on it so something good in all that bad stuff..


Andy

Realjones
08-07-2002, 04:57 AM
andy....yes i have. i have a spare geforce2 mx200 lying around and my computer (and graphics) work fine with this old card in. so i am sure it is the video card.

Realjones
08-07-2002, 10:46 PM
wiggo....tried the fan thing too still having problems. returned the card.