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grypht
07-27-2002, 05:07 AM
When i bought my processor, the guy told me that the Vantec 6035D was really good, so being stupid I bought it.

Now I am tired of the sound it makes and the performance i get. My cpu is at 60Celsius idle, and in unreal tournament, can go up to 70degre, while the room temp is around 22Celsius.

On Dansdata webpage I saw that my fan on my heatsink is a Delta AFB0612EH (60mm fan)
http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp_p4.htm#CCK6035D

Now my question: Which fan would you advise me to put on my heatsink (copper base)? or which HSF would you recommend?

I'd like something that can keep my cpu cooler, and if possible, with lower noise

my computer is as follow:
Athlon Xp 1800+ running at 1,53
Asus A7V266-EX
512 kingston DDR 2100
Maxtor 40gigs 7200rpm ata100
Soundblaster Audigy
16X10X40 Yamaha Ide
Asus 50X

(got a new case on the way, Lian LI PC86 usb, and I used the thermal compound that came with the Vantec 6035d)

ReSpAwN DeMoN
07-27-2002, 06:33 AM
Well I would probably recommend the Volcano 7 because not only does it look the coolest but I think its the best as of now. I'm not sure though. It is also copper based.

Darthtanion
07-27-2002, 09:01 AM
The Volcano 9 (http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=310) is the best so far with regards to normal coolers (no four-hole mounting). It also uses an 80mm fan with an adjustable fan speed so you can decide how much cooling (and noise) that you need at any given moment.

ReSpAwN DeMoN
07-27-2002, 09:19 AM
VOLCANO 9!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WHERE HAVE I BEEN? When was the volcano 8 released. Apparently I got some catching up to do. I wanted to get a volcano 7 but 9?

zeradul
07-27-2002, 10:47 AM
Don't worry about it too much RD..., the Volcano 9 is a Dud.

Proof: http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp_p4.htm
(Or just click my attached image....)

Earns a score of .60 Degrees Celcius per Watt cooled, compared with the score .52 of the Volcano 7+, and of course, lower is better, and even compared with every heatsink made in the past two years, the volcano9 is average at best.

Not to mention it is noisier and probably much more expensive than the Volcano 7.

ReSpAwN DeMoN
07-27-2002, 10:53 AM
So if I were to upgrade my CPU to something more powerful like one of the higher end AthlonXP's or even wait a while and actually wait for the hammer to be released. I should stick with volcano 7 or whatever is best at that time.

zeradul
07-27-2002, 11:10 AM
Yup, and I expect the Volcano 9 to sell for 40$+ and since the Volcano 7+ is so much cheaper, not a single volcano 9 should be purchased.

Unless of course you like Orange , noise, paying alot, and poor performance. Even the Volcano 6Cu+ out performs it! :eek:

Wiggo
07-27-2002, 11:21 AM
See that's why I like the price/performance value of the Volcano 7+ plus under most conditions only medium fan speed is required. ;)
<center>:cheers:</center>

ReSpAwN DeMoN
07-27-2002, 11:22 AM
Lets asy I bought a standard volcano 7 and slapped it on my Athlon THunderbird and went away with my WBK38 not only will my CPU temps drop but will my case temps drop as well? As well as noise levels? :?: :D

zeradul
07-27-2002, 11:37 AM
Just make sure you get the Volcano 7+ because the Volcano 7 is very different, and not nearly as good.

Darthtanion
07-27-2002, 12:10 PM
the Volcano 9 is a Dud.
Pffft...

I'll still go with the results that I got on my own system. It can't even hold a candle to the V6, so I'll just leave the rest of my comments concerning that to myself. :hmph:

As for the noise level, it too is adjustable like the Volcano 7+ setup and even when it runs full bore, it is a lower noise level than any high-speed 60mm fan that I've tested so far.


ReSpAwN DeMoN,
Don't worry about missing one of the Volcano series. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a V8 produced for consumer sales.

ReSpAwN DeMoN
07-27-2002, 12:13 PM
Well what kind of differences are there between the Volcano 7 and the Volcano 7+ basically so far there is a 30 dollar difference but other then that lets speak from a physical point of view. The volcano 7+ has the fan speed control which most likely I won't use, then there is another thing to consider that I don't even know about. The clip design on the volcano 7 uses the center tab and only the center tab. What if it breaks off??? Does the volcano 7+ take advantage of all three? Let me know.

zeradul
07-27-2002, 12:20 PM
RD... the answer is simple... the 7+ is solid copper. The 7 is not. Copper rules, Aluminum sucks when compared on the scale of ability to conduct heat.

Darth: Please don't take offense. The only source I trust more than DansData is anandtech.

And I am just saying that compared with the Volcano 7+, the Volcano 9 is a Dud. All aspects compared... Price, Noise, Performance, etc.

Darthtanion
07-27-2002, 12:21 PM
The main difference is the fan used. The original Volcano 7 allows for ONLY temperature regulated fan speeds. When I tested it, the good airflow that I have going through my case degraded the cooling qualities because the thermistor always thought it was running real cool. It was placed just to the side of the fan itself.

The Volcano 7+ has an adjustment that can be set by YOU. Even if you don't decide to change it out, you decide how fast it runs... not some bogus self-deciding piece of diode.

Also the Volcano 7+ has a fully copper heatsink while the older model was aluminum with a copper slug in the center.

Both of these coolers were reviewed here at TweakTown, so you can see for yourself what the differences were. The Volcano 7+ was by far the better cooler.

As for the clip, I believe that Wiggo had said in another thread that they had changed out to a six-lug clip design. :)

Wiggo
07-27-2002, 12:26 PM
Yes if ya go the 7+ make sure that it's the latest version that holds all 6 lugs but over here if ya can still find the V7 it's actually a bit dearer than the V7+. ;)
<center>:cheers:</center>

zeradul
07-27-2002, 10:12 PM
10 bucks says that the Volcano 9+ Will be a Volcano 7+ Heatsink, with a Volcano 9 FAN.... :D :D :D :D

(did I mention you can buy the Volcano 9 fan by itself? and then put it on your Volcano 7+, and Voila, you'll have a Volcano 9+)

You'd think being in the heatsink business and all, that ThermalTake would be a little more creative. Honestly why do they keep going back to aluminum, the heatsink material of the slot PII's. :no:

RDR
07-27-2002, 11:58 PM
Now I am tired of the sound it makes

if noise really is a concern - you may want to look at the coolers that use 80mm fans - Thermalright AX7 or SLK800, Swiftech MCX462, Alpha8045etc...all have very respectable performance & typically you get a better performance to noise ratio than you do with smaller fans.

I've got an Alpha 8045 on my Athlon , & I just picked up a 8942 for my S478 Celeron - I've used everything from a 80+cfm Delta fan to a 30cfm Sunon - they're not the absolute best, but they are very good & bare heat sinks are down around the $30US range.

FLaCo
07-28-2002, 02:53 AM
I was thinking the same Zera. When i read the Volcano 9's Article by Darth...i was thinking what if...It had a solid copper HS with that massive 80mm fan.

Darthtanion
07-28-2002, 03:48 AM
I had thought about that too, but weight would become an issue I think. It might become necessary to start using a 4-hole mounting technique because of the massive weight involved.

chisholm
07-29-2002, 04:02 PM
yep...looks liek the way to go now for the best performance/noise ratio is an SLK800 with pretty much any fan;)

grypht
07-30-2002, 12:28 AM
Thanks a lot for all the help.

I looked on dansdata webpage about the slk800 and he said that he used his own fan, so the one comming with the slk800 is loud or not... hard to say.

I was tempted by the volcano 7+, but in this review it says it's a 70mm fan? http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=188

The price is not really an issue, but I wouldn't go with watercooling just yet, since i move my computer around a lot.

If I'd choose the slk800 would you advise a particular fan? Keeping noise tolerable without loosing too much of the cooling aspect?

Thanks,
Grypht

RDR
07-30-2002, 02:25 AM
as far as 80mm fans go - I've got both the 68cfm & 80cfm Delta's - I consider both of them too loud, I haven't tried the 84cfm Vantec but I can't imagine it would be any different. they're not as annoying as the 60mm HO fans - they don't have the same high pitched whine - but they are LOUD. I tend to use them only when I'm trying to max out my system for benchmarks & I usually end up switching back to something a little more tolerable for long term use.

I've got a couple of 80x25mm ADDA fans that put out 50cfm - I don't find them annoying at all, I've tried one on my Alpha8045 & the performance loss isn't too substantial. I don't have the actual Db rating - but I don't find them any worse than the 42cfm Sunons. I got them from AMK Services in B.C.

zeradul
07-30-2002, 10:48 AM
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/tecar.html

Compare the noise of a similar size and RPM of a fan you own, and then compare them with potential fans you might buy.

Again, every fan isn't on there, so just compare RPM and Size, and it will be very close to the same amount of noise.

FLaCo
07-30-2002, 10:49 AM
Hey guys have any of you used or seen the Y S Tech TMD Magnetic Drive Fan. Looks like this:

I think its looks cool...its 18 USD and is comes w/an aluminum and copper base heatsink.

Darthtanion
07-30-2002, 11:55 AM
I have yet to find a slim-line fan that cools very well. Maybe this one is different, but I don't hold my breath.

FLaCo
07-30-2002, 12:02 PM
Roger That!

Wiggo
07-30-2002, 12:22 PM
Here's a detailed review of that fan, http://www.dansdata.com/tmdfan.htm ;)
<center>:cheers:</center>

FLaCo
07-31-2002, 07:13 AM
Whats the big deal on having a 70mm fan...doesn't the 7+ have a 70mm fan..so whats the biggy that he meantions if you are nutz you will buy this 70mm if not wait for the 80 etc..is becuase not too many hs are 70mm?

Wiggo
07-31-2002, 08:25 AM
Yep that right. ;)
:beer: :beer: :beer:

FLaCo
07-31-2002, 09:29 AM
I see thanks again WiG!: peace2:

chisholm
07-31-2002, 07:46 PM
hmm apparently the TMD fans cool very well for their cfm raintgs bcos there is no deadzone where the motor usually is:D

grypht
08-01-2002, 11:51 PM
I wanted to thank you all for your help.
I have a thermaltake Volcano 7+ on the way. That and my new casing Lian Li pc86 it should help. (he's comming with artic silver 3 too)

thanks again,

:angel: Grypht :angel:

FLaCo
08-02-2002, 07:00 AM
I think there still is a deadzone...just a smaller one. The center is smaller because there is no wires running in it.

faKe duD
08-02-2002, 08:02 AM
ugh... a noob that i am... i thought i would listen to a friend of mine that would kno better... i bought a Thermaltake Dragon Orb 3 when i coulda and was about to buy the Thermaltake Volcano 7+... damn him :angryfire

FLaCo
08-02-2002, 08:26 AM
Wow...what was his excuse for the comparison of the two?

chisholm
08-02-2002, 04:30 PM
what kind of friend would give u such dum advice?:shoot:

drpeterbright
08-13-2002, 02:04 AM
:( That's no friend. :(

E^vol
08-13-2002, 11:35 AM
Not sure about a possible "Volcano9+" but i do know that TT will release the Volcano10 for Hammer !! i saw a press release pic, but i can't remember where, hmmm..sec

E^vol
08-13-2002, 11:52 AM
can't find it, but i'll keep looking....it was at a trade show however..

E^vol
08-13-2002, 11:56 AM
but ya, i'd go with the volcano7+ also !! it's cool (and cooling). the only thing is that stupid 70mm fan !

THERMALTAKE, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, PUT A REAL (80MM) FAN ON IT !!!

drpeterbright
08-20-2002, 11:47 AM
Waiting for the Volcano 12 +++ with a 120mm fan sucking 125 cfm.

ReSpAwN DeMoN
08-20-2002, 11:50 AM
lol seriously I wonder if computer components will ever get hot enough to the point to require that. Then again would that be dangerous?

*puts foot down next to comp. and pants get sucked in pulling leg with it. Pulled through fan and grinded up like a nice piece of beef* :cackle:

drpeterbright
08-22-2002, 08:26 AM
Hopefully, we can count on the chips running cooler over time. However, when you push them past specs you will generate heat. The more heat you can dissipate, the more you can push them. It's a never ending circle.

JealousMidget
08-22-2002, 03:08 PM
Earlier in the thread an issue came up about the weight of the HS, I think Darth brought it up. Is this an issue with the SLK800? Is the SLK600 the same? :?:

zeradul
08-22-2002, 03:59 PM
Is this an issue with the SLK800? Is the SLK600 the same? Almost.... The 800 is slightly better.

The SLK800 is the best heatsink currently for sale if you want to use a slow and quiet rpm fan. It is so good, even with a slow fan, it still outperforms almost all heatsinks no matter how noisy the fan.

JealousMidget
08-23-2002, 06:12 AM
Is there any special consideration needed to compensate for the weight of those coolers? Are there any coolers that should be passed up due to the weight? I am thinking in terms of an Athlon system.

Thx

zeradul
08-24-2002, 01:21 PM
I think both of those heatsinks will be fine as long as they aren't dropped. You could go read Dan's comments as I'm sure he will have mentioned anything worth noting about the heatsink. The heatsinks are organized alphabetically by manufacturer.

http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp.htm

JealousMidget
08-25-2002, 09:43 AM
Thanks Z, there is quite a bit of useful info there. I have been to that page several times before, but for some reason I seem to forget it exists after I leave it. Oh well, thanx for the reminder. :thumb:

drpeterbright
08-25-2002, 10:06 AM
They did a very thorough job on testing in that article on those coolers & it makes it easy to see their relative efficiency.

CuriousMan
08-25-2002, 11:58 AM
My vote would go for the Thermalright AX-7. From a price/performance standpoint it can't be beat. And yes, that is what I use....

Price US 24-27 dollar range....(I picked my up at KDComputers.com for $24).

I think overclocker.com probably is one of the better sites that keeps a running track on CPU cooler effectiveness.

And Dan's site has already been mentioned, so I won't repeat the referral.

drpeterbright
08-26-2002, 05:42 AM
And on an unlimited budget you would pick?

zeradul
08-26-2002, 05:57 AM
With an unlimited budget, I would definatly go with an SLK-800. (not counting water cooling) Nothing comes close to it in the realm of quiet heatsinks.


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drpeterbright
08-26-2002, 06:00 AM
From the article, it looks like the absolute best choice. What about interference with surrounding structures? Some that we should shy away from based on that problem?

CuriousMan
08-26-2002, 06:01 AM
Hmmn, the choice is harder. But in ranking order probably....

Thermalright SLK-800
Swiftech MCX-462
Alpha PAL-8045

The Thermalright offers great flexibility in fan size selection. It's a copper monster!

There are probably others out there that rank nearly as well. But those are the ones that consistently perform well in numerous reviews....

drpeterbright
08-26-2002, 06:04 AM
Thanks, and none of those pose mounting problems in normal case applications?

CuriousMan
08-26-2002, 06:12 AM
That's a more difficult question but a good one. Most of your top-of-the-line motherboard manufacturers have good designs. So you'll have ample space for large coolers.

But research well and ask. Once you decide on a motherboard pop on a bulletin board and ask someone if such-n-such combination will work. Someone out there will have the answer.

You can always fire off an email to tech or sales support of the manufacturer and ask as well. They'll be more than happy to respond. But for most well-known MB brands, it shouldn't pose a problem.

But you are wise to ask beforehand....

drpeterbright
08-26-2002, 06:25 AM
Great suggestions there CuriousMan. I'll take your advice. I'd like to OC a 2600+ and am getting all the parts set in my mind.