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walkngdude
09-05-2002, 02:31 PM
Hi
I have a Dell Dimension xps T 500 and would like a new video card to boost up my games a bit. Can anyone recommend some cards, give me some links, Internet resources or anything else that might help me make a good choice.

Thanks, Marc

Here are my system specs;
System profile:
Computer Model
BIOS Vendor Intel Corp.
BIOS Version
BIOS Date 06/28/2000
Case Type Unknown
Windows Version 98
Explorer Version 6.0.2600.0000


Processors

Central Processor
Manufacturer Intel Corporation
Product Name Pentium III processor
Version Intel Pentium(R) III Processor
External Clock Speed 100 Hz
Maximum Clock Speed 1200 Hz
Current Clock Speed 500 Hz


Memory

System memory with 3 slots - Placement: System board or motherboard
DIMM: 128 Mb DRAM
DIMM: 128 Mb DRAM
DIMM: empty

Windows Memory/Resources
Total Memory 261652 Kb
Available Memory 944 Kb
Page File Size 1835496 Kb
Available Page File 1653336 Kb
Virtual Memory 2093056 Kb
Available Virtual Memory 1900864 Kb


Hardware (Built Into System)
Type Description Enabled
Video AGP Yes
Sound AUDIO Yes
Sound AUDIO Yes
Sound AUDIO Yes

Hardware (Added On To System)
Type Description Manufacturer


Disks
Drive Type Drive Size Total
Available
Space User
Available
Space
A:\ removable
C:\ fixed 38168 Mb 32670 Mb 32670 Mb
D:\ CD ROM 286 Mb 0 Mb 0 Mb

bigjackusa
09-06-2002, 05:04 AM
Boy, what a trip trying to get hardware info on your box at Dell's site. As a Dell owner, maybe you can log in and get more info than I could find. I am guessing that you might have a mobo with Intel's awful 810 chipset. If so, you can't disable the onboard video in order to upgrade. If you can get more info on the mobo, maybe I could be more specific.

walkngdude
09-06-2002, 12:14 PM
Thanks Bigjackusa,
I have read that some Dells share videomem with the mother board and that you can't change cards.
I think I got the stuff from Dell, had to shake them around a bit but I got it. I think my chipset is: System chip set Intel 440BX AGPset.
Thanks for your help;
Marc


Here are all the specs from that page;

Specifications: Dell™ Dimension™ XPS Txxx and Txxxr Systems Reference
General • System Information • Expansion Bus • Memory • Drives • Ports • Video • Audio • Power • Physical • Environmental • Regulatory Notices • IRQ Assignments • Default Dell-Installed Expansion Card Placements • DMA Assignments


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General
Microprocessor type Intel® Pentium® III microprocessor that runs at 100 MHz externally
Microprocessor speeds 450 MHz internal/100 MHz external
500 MHz internal/100 MHz external
550 MHz internal/100 MHz external
600 MHz internal/100 MHz external
650 MHz internal/100 MHz external
700 MHz internal/100 MHz external
750 MHz internal/100 MHz external
800 MHz internal/100 MHz external
850 MHz internal/100 MHz external
L1 cache 32 KB SRAM (16-KB data cache; 16-KB instruction cache)
L2 cache
Dimension XPS Txxx
512-KB pipelined write-back SRAM on a separate chip on the processor card. The L2 cache runs at half the processor's internal clock speed.
Dimension XPS Txxxr
256-KB Advanced Transfer Cache that resides in the processor's core. The L2 cache runs at the processor's internal clock speed.
Microprocessor mounting SECC2 package connected to the system board contains microprocessor and cache circuitry
Math coprocessor internal to microprocessor

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System Information
System chip set Intel 440BX AGPset
Data bus width 64 bits
Address bus width 32 bits
DMA channels seven
Interrupt levels 15
System BIOS chip 4 Mb (512 KB)
System clock 100 MHz (matches external processor speed)
Diskette/communications ports 48 MHz from the system clock

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Expansion Bus
Bus types PCI (version 2.1), ISA, and AGP (version 1.0)
Bus speed AGP: 66 or 133 MHz
PCI: 33 MHz
ISA: 8.33 MHz
AGP expansion-card connectors one
AGP expansion-card connector size 124 pins
AGP expansion-card connector data width (maximum) 32 bits
PCI expansion-card connectors four
Shared PCI/ISA expansion-card connector one
PCI expansion-card connector size 120 pins
PCI expansion-card connector data width (maximum) 32 bits
ISA expansion-card connectors one (shares a card-slot opening with a PCI connector)
ISA expansion-card connector size 98 pins
ISA expansion-card connector data width (maximum) 16 bits

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Memory
Architecture ECC or non-ECC SDRAM modules
DIMM sockets three; gold contacts
DIMM capacities 32, 64, 128, and 256 MB
Minimum RAM 64 MB (non-ECC)
Maximum RAM 768 MB
Frequency 100 MHz
Clock cycle 10 ns (supports 4 clocks only)
CAS latency three
SPD revision 1.2A
Buffering unbuffered
Voltage 3.3 V
Data bus width 8 bits
BIOS address E8000h - FFFFFFh
NOTE: Only 100-MHz DIMMs are supported. The system can include both ECC and non-ECC memory; however, to support ECC, all installed DIMMs must be ECC-capable. ECC DIMMs have an odd number of memory chips on the module and non-ECC DIMMs have an even number of chips.


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Drives
Mini tower chassis:
Externally accessible bays
five total: two 5.25-inch bays for diskette, tape, or CD-ROM drives; three 3.5-inch bays for diskette or tape drives
Internally accessible bays
two bays for 1-inch-high EIDE or SCSI hard-disk drives
Desktop chassis (available only in certain locations):
Externally accessible bays
four total: two 5.25-inch for diskette, tape, or CD-ROM drives; two 3.5-inch bays for diskette or tape drives
Internally accessible bays
two bays for 1-inch-high EIDE or SCSI hard-disk drives

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Ports
Externally accessible:
Serial (DTE)
9-pin connector; 16550C-compatible
Parallel
25-hole connector (bidirectional)
PS/2-style keyboard
6-pin mini-DIN connector
PS/2-compatible mouse
6-pin mini-DIN connector
MIDI/game*
15-pin connector
Video
15-hole connector on an AGP video card
Audio*
three miniature jacks for LINE IN, LINE OUT, and MIC IN
USB
two USB-compliant connectors
Internally accessible:
Primary EIDE
40-pin connector
Secondary EIDE
40-pin connector
Diskette drive
34-pin connector
* Available in integrated audio systems only


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Video
Video 2X AGP video card (see manufacturer's specifications for information about the card and any utilities and drivers included)

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Audio
Audio type Integrated Yamaha XG 64 Voice Wavetable Sound
Audio chip set Yamaha 724 DS-1 chip set

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Power
DC power supply:
Wattage
200 W
Voltage (switch selectable on back panel)
90 to 135 V at 60 Hz;
180 to 265 V at 50 Hz;
100 V at 50 to 60 Hz for Japanese systems
Heat dissipation
778 BTU (fully loaded system without monitor)
Battery 3-V CR2032 coin cell

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Physical
Mini tower chassis:
Height
43.69 cm (17.2 inches)
Width (with base)
20.32 cm (8 inches)
Depth
44.45 cm (17.5 inches)
Weight
11.3 to 13.6 kg (25.0 to 30.0 lb)
Desktop chassis:
Height
16.00 cm (6.3 inches)
Width
42.42 cm (16.7 inches)
Depth
44.45 cm (17.5 inches)
Weight
11.3 to 13.6 kg (25.0 to 30.0 lb)

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Environmental
Temperature:
Operating
10° to 35°C* (50° to 95°F)
Storage
–40° to 65°C (–40° to 149°F)
Relative humidity 20% to 80% (noncondensing)
Maximum vibration:
Operating
0.25 G at 3 to 200 Hz at 1/2 octave/min
Storage
0.5 G at 3 to 200 Hz at 1/2 octave/min
Maximum shock:
Operating
left side (for mini tower orientation) and bottom half-sine pulse with a change in velocity of 50.8 cm (20 inches)/sec
Storage
23-G faired-square wave with a velocity change of 508.0 cm (200 inches)/sec
Altitude:
Operating
–16 to 3048 m* (–50 to 10,000 ft)
Storage
–16 to 10,600 m (–50 to 35,000 ft)
* At 35°C (95°F), the maximum operating altitude is 914 m (3000 ft).

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Regulatory Notices
FCC (U.S. only) Class B
IC Notice (Canada only) Class B
CE Notice Class B
VCCI Notice (Japan only) Class B
NOM O24 Information (Mexico only)

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IRQ Assignments
IRQ Line System Resource IRQ Line System Resource
IRQ0 System timer IRQ8 RTC
IRQ1 Keyboard buffer IRQ9 Available2
IRQ2 Enables IRQ8 through IRQ15 IRQ10 Available
IRQ3 Available1 IRQ11 Default PCI IRQ3
IRQ4 Serial port IRQ12 Mouse port
IRQ5 Available IRQ13 Math coprocessor
IRQ6 Diskette/tape drive controller IRQ14 Primary EIDE channel
IRQ7 Parallel port IRQ15 Secondary EIDE channel
1IRQ3 is available provided that no other device in the computer (such as a modem) is using COM2 or COM4.
2IRQ9 is available to PCI cards only.
3The PCI IRQ is assigned to an available IRQ line after an ISA expansion card has been configured. If an ISA expansion card is configured for IRQ11, the PCI IRQ is assigned to another available IRQ line.

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Default Dell-Installed Expansion Card Placement
Table 1 provides the default Dell-installed expansion card placements if a system is ordered with a TV tuner card. Table 2 provides the default Dell-installed expansion card placements if a system is ordered without a TV tuner card.

Table 1. Default Dell-Installed Expansion Card Placements for Systems with Optional TV Tuner Card or SwapBox

Expansion-Card Slot Expansion Card
AGP Port AGP video
PCI Slot 1 NIC
PCI Slot 2 DVD
PCI Slot 3 Audio
PCI Slot 4 PCI modem
PCI Slot 5/ISA Slot 1 TV Tuner

Table 2. Default Dell-Installed Expansion Card Placements for Systems with SCSI (for either SwapBox or TV Tuner Card)

Expansion-Card Slot Expansion Card
AGP Port AGP video
PCI Slot 1 NIC
PCI Slot 2 Audio
PCI Slot 3 SCSI
PCI Slot 4 PCI modem
PCI Slot 5/ISA Slot 1 SwapBox

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DMA Channel Assignments
DREQ Line Used By/Available
DREQ0 Default audio DMA channel assignment
DREQ1 Default audio DMA channel assignment
DREQ2 Generated by I/O controller to enable DMA cycle for attached diskette drive
DREQ3 Parallel port (ECP)
DREQ4 Reserved
DREQ5 Available
DREQ6 Available
DREQ7 Available

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bigjackusa
09-06-2002, 11:29 PM
Well, its not as bad as it might have been for you. The good news it that you have an AGP slot, so you can upgrade the video. The bad news is that the 2X slot won't support the latest and greatest in video cards. Your cpu is also a bottleneck for the fastest cards. One of the current budget cards will probably give you a significant boost though.Some of the now recently outdated cards might work well for a real bargin price. I have recently seen an Ati Radeon, 32mb DDR sell for $37us. I can't guess how any of the currently available cards will perform at AGP 2X, but most of what I have read suggests that the biggest performance boosts come from the card itself, rather than the AGP bus Capabilities. I would say to just shop for a deal, then verify on the manufacture's site that the part is fully compatabile with AGP 2X. Have fun gaming.

Ehhe Yebeb
09-07-2002, 11:11 AM
You will be able to put a GeForce 3 or 4 in that system, but it will be running at about 1/4th of its capability which means you will be wasting money. To be honest, there is no point upgrading video in that system, and slotting an AGP video card into a dell/gateway or any other extremely low quality integrated board (basically any OEM board) often causes problems. If you really feel you need a video card though, i would recommend a GeForce 2 MX400, or ATI radeon 7200. Anything over that and you are basically just throwing your money away, because that CPU/motherboard/Ram combination is a serious bottelneck, you would only be getting %25 performance out of any decent video card.

JealousMidget
09-08-2002, 08:52 AM
If I was in your shoes, with that setup, I would put the money towards a new motherboard. You wouldn't even need the latest and greatest to significantly increase your options. Good Luck!

Bugman
09-14-2002, 09:44 AM
Hey there.

I own a Dell XPS T 450 (upgraded to a PIII 600) and I was recently wondering the same question. I wanted to put something in my system aside from the TNT2 I was using. So, I went looking around, and it was hard to find a new card that was compatable with my 2x AGP slot. (it has to deal with the voltage and whatnot). I ended up going with the Raedon 8500 from www.newegg.com I know that my comp cant use all its power, but I wanted something that wouldnt be a bottleneck to my system (basically anything over a GF2)

I am quite happy with my choice, minus some problems with the drivers from ATI and their 2D performance (they seem to be fine after the latest revision of them) You can find a cheaper version (maybe an LE) and get some good results with it. I like my 8500 quite a bit. If you have any ?'s about it, feel free to write.

~Bugman

Andy72
09-24-2002, 03:28 AM
I have been using G4 Ti4200 on old BX board with agpx2 slot with great success.(P3-870Mhz ,G4Ti4200 64Mb gives 6592 points in 3D Mark 2001SE, Best score on its class regardless of agp speed!)

Also it seems that you can upgrade the cpu of your Dell as well.
Slot 1 processors are rare and expensive but you might be able to use slot 1 adapter and Celeron as well.( like http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm )
Only problem that I see is that your Dell's original PSU might not be powerfull enough.

Does the upgrading make sense? Thats for you to decide.


Andy

edit: link corrected