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wuntvor
01-09-2002, 11:02 AM
what's up with incompatibility of VIA and SB Live? :confused:

Maybe I'm crazy, but I swear that's what's causing my problem.

Let's see if anyone has any ideas here.

Soyo Dragon +
Tbird 1.3G
Geforce 2
SB Live Value
256M DDR

Originally my computer would lock up after 30 mins of playing mp3's. So I did a PCI latency patch, that increased the time to about an hour, but didn't fix it.

Next I found that others had problems with SB while it was in slot 1-3, so I put it in slot 5.
Now it seems to lock up randomly, but it's never sooner than 2 hours.

The computer is completely stable if I don't use sound continuously. I'm at a loss now :?: ...

I'll throw in for some :beer: :beer: :D :D

Albinus
01-09-2002, 11:08 AM
I've got a P4X266 chipset with a SB Live! in slot 3, and have never had a problem. The V-Link bus protocol in later VIA chipsets has certainly helped correct any errors that happened with the 686B South Bridge.

What order did you install your adaptor cards? Did you install the 4-in-1 driver before you put the SB Live! in? This must be done otherwise you can have serious issues :geek:

Mr. C
01-09-2002, 11:08 AM
Man at one time I thought SB Live was the board to buy, but I have heard of so many people having problems it just scared me off completely. There are some good boards on the market that just don't have the number of problems that one has.

wuntvor
01-09-2002, 11:57 AM
4 in 1 driver huh? Not familiar with that one :D

I have my GF2 in the AGP slot
Kingston NIC in slot 4
SB Live in slot 5

are there any chipset upgrades I have to perform?

Albinus
01-09-2002, 12:04 PM
The 4-in-1 Driver from VIA is absolutely essential for reliable and trouble-free operation of your VIA chipset based motherboard. Here's the order you should install your operating system:

1) Remove ALL adapter cards except the video card
2) Install the Operating System the usual way
3) Install the VIA 4-in-1 Driver
4) Install the video card driver
5) Install the sound card, then the driver
6) Install DirectX 8.1
7) Install all other adapter cards, one at a time

Hope this helps :)

wuntvor
01-09-2002, 12:05 PM
wait, are you talking about the drivers that came with the mobo?

If so, I think I might have missed one grrrrrr:snip:

Darthtanion
01-09-2002, 12:24 PM
I answered a portion of this in another thread where you referred to this problem, but here it is...

This problem has been fixed for about the past three revisions or so of the VIA 4-in-1 driver sets. What happens is that the SoundBlaster card interferes with large transfers from the hard drive. Bunch of tech stuff, but basically they have a huge fight and your system takes a crap on you.

To properly install the drivers, you should follow the instructions that Albinus gave before. I normally install all components right off and then install the srivers, but the order listed above is critical. The 4-in-1 drivers MUST be the first thing to be installed after the OS. Then video drivers, sound card drivers, DirectX and then anything else left over.

wuntvor
01-09-2002, 12:31 PM
thanks, I'll give it shot
looks like I get to install XP ONE MORE TIME, :cry:

glad it's only been 2 weeks, so I haven't filled my 40gig, I can just copy over what I need :D


if this doesn't fix it though, I'm gonna go postal
:shoot: :crazy: :shoot: :crazy:

Albinus
01-09-2002, 12:39 PM
And make sure that you download the latest drivers from a location such as VIA Hardware (http://www.viahardware.com) because the ones included with the motherboard CD may be out of date ;)

wuntvor
01-09-2002, 12:43 PM
will do:thumb:

I'll make sure I get the latest drivers for everything before starting this process.

if this does work I owe ya all the beer you can drink
:beer: :beer: :beer: :drunk: :D

Albinus
01-09-2002, 12:50 PM
will do:thumb:

I'll make sure I get the latest drivers for everything before starting this process.

if this does work I owe ya all the beer you can drink
:beer: :beer: :beer: :drunk: :D


In that case make it a carton of Foster's LightIce..... :D :beer:

Well I've had no problems whatsoever with my SB Live!, the latest drivers from Creative also help as well I think - make sure you get them as well ;)

Mr. C
01-09-2002, 01:02 PM
looks like I get to install XP ONE MORE TIME, :cry:
Well, it is good practice:D
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wuntvor
01-09-2002, 03:58 PM
Well all, done :thumb:

crossin my fingers now

Any idea why I can't install the PCI latency patch now? :D

Wiggo
01-09-2002, 04:23 PM
If ya put the latest 4in1's on a lot of that patch will be included and that's why. But in most cases the patch has very little effect as seen here (http://www.reviewmakers.com/showdoc.php?article=5) in this article on it that I posted in the Web News. ;)
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wuntvor
01-09-2002, 05:10 PM
k thanks wiggo - so the 4in1 should have taken care of it

been stable while playin mp3's for 1.5 housr now

lookin good so far

:beer: :D :beer: :D :beer: :D

Darthtanion
01-09-2002, 09:10 PM
Sounds like you may have just licked the problem. :D

Mr. C
01-10-2002, 04:11 AM
We're keeping our fingers crossed for you wuntvor:thumb:

wuntvor
01-10-2002, 02:42 PM
thx for the fingers crossed, but it just locked up again :angryfire
:cry: :cry:

happend right after a cd burn failed

I switch the secondary IDE to use DMA now, hopefully that has some effect

wuntvor
01-13-2002, 05:22 AM
thx for the help everyone
I think I got it licked now - 2 days and counting, stable as a rock :D


:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: for all

Albinus
01-13-2002, 01:55 PM
Good for you wuntvor - let us know how your system gets on ;)

Mr. C
01-13-2002, 02:57 PM
thx for the help everyone
I think I got it licked now - 2 days and counting, stable as a rock :D


:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: for all
Yeah!! That's what we like to hear!

Anonymous
02-11-2002, 11:41 AM
The 4-in-1 Driver from VIA is absolutely essential for reliable and trouble-free operation of your VIA chipset based motherboard. Here's the order you should install your operating system:

1) Remove ALL adapter cards except the video card
2) Install the Operating System the usual way
3) Install the VIA 4-in-1 Driver
4) Install the video card driver
5) Install the sound card, then the driver
6) Install DirectX 8.1
7) Install all other adapter cards, one at a time

Hope this helps :)

In reference to THIS ^

there's a FAQ on the VIA site that says you should install the
4in1 drivers BOTH BEFORE & AFTER installation of the SBLive

here 'tis

VIA FAQ :

Question:
I am having trouble with a system using a VIA chipset including a 686b southbridge and a Creative Sound Blaster Live card.

Answer:
When the 686b southbridge was first released, motherboard manufacturers and VIA discovered a problem when trying to transfer files between the primary and the secondary IDE channels on motherboards using ultra-DMA, when a Sound Blaster Live was plugged in and drivers activated. This issue was caused because too much noise is transferred across the PCI bus by the Sound Blaster Live driver set. In an attempt to fix this issue, some motherboard manufacturers modified their BIOS. In some instances, these modifications to the BIOS caused a data corruption error even when not using a Sound Blaster Live. VIA released a patch which resolves this issue, which is incoroporated in the 4in1 drivers from the 4.31 version onwards. Motherboard manufacturers were advised to change the modifications made to thier BIOS to elimate the data corruption issue. If you are experiencing data corruption or lock up when transferring files between two IDE drives:

1) Make sure you have the latest BIOS from your motherboard manufacturer.

2) Make sure you have the latest 4in1 drivers

3) Make sure when you set up your system that you install the 4in1 drivers both before and after you install the SBL to make sure that the drivers see your SBL and install the correct patch. The patch will only install if the SBL is installed

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DannyG
03-03-2002, 06:19 PM
I found that ME and other 9X kernells are the best because you can fully disable the Sb16...

This is done using different Hardware profiles ... I found that fix on some other site - so credit to them if I could remember who/where they were again

Albinus
03-03-2002, 06:41 PM
I have never had the need to re-install the 4-in-1 drivers after the SoundBlaster Live!, and still don't. The method I outlined has worked successfully for many people :)