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(v)aVerick
09-23-2002, 12:53 PM
I want to replace my SBLive! 5.1 and I think the Gamesurround Fortissimo™ III 7.1 is the best alternative for me. However, beside press releases and some online stores having the sound card, I haven't found EVEN ONE REVIEW! I almost think the card doesn't exsist because of this.

Does anyone have the sounnd card? Heard anything about it? Know of any reviews?

saidin
09-23-2002, 02:43 PM
never heard of it... is 7.1 worth it yet, are there even 7.1 speakers for the computer available?

Beefy
09-23-2002, 02:49 PM
I'll agree with that. But, considering there has only recently been a press release, you can't expect to see the product out and about yet. I doubt that even those online stores have the product in stock.

(v)aVerick
09-23-2002, 04:34 PM
Well, I didn't say the online stores were North American :P But Compusa (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=296131) and Compusmart (http://www.compusmart.com/product.asp?CatalogID=160&StyleID=249102&CurrentSegment=Peripherals|Sound+Cards&VisitID=77578JD0uY94TJKte7lyt352u3952722) both carry it "locally."

The reason why I want it is that the Fortissimo II was quite good and I figured the latest and greatest version of it would be better. Having been unable to discover a online review, I'm not sure if that is in fact the case.

saidin
09-24-2002, 12:19 AM
yes, even if ou were to get a 7.1 card, are there any 7.1 speakers you could use with it. All I know of are 5.1 and 6.1 speakers. So, I would stick with the SB...at least until some decent speakers came out that could utilize the 7.1 feature on the newer card!!! But that is just me:king:

(v)aVerick
09-24-2002, 12:34 AM
I only have 4.1 speakers since that's all I need. 7.1 means very little to me since I would never use it, nor do I use 5.1 on my SB. There are other qualities of the Fortissimo (sound quality, lower CPU hit, stable drivers) which I like. I'm currently sick of my SB and the amount of problems it causes (drivers, drivers and drivers.) I've lost almost all faith in Creative to produce anything other then crap and I'm sure as hell jumping off the band wagon.

saidin
09-24-2002, 02:42 AM
hmmm, i have never had any problem with my SB live . . and hit on the CPU, never see it. I mean the card has its own processor which takes away from the CPU doing the math. Isnt that the point of hardware sound over software sound. I could understand if you were having CPU problems with a software driven sound card! Maybe i am wrong and the SB is software driven?!?! Even when I had my SB live in my P3 -350 machine I had no cpu hit with the SBLive! Plus, sound is such a LOW priority! If it is taking a huge hit in your system, then maybe you should upgrade the other parts in your computer over the sound card.

the driver problem you are talking about, well I do not seee. I have never had one problem with my SB live, SB64, SB16, etc. When i got a beta copy of 2k, i never had problem with the soundcard, hehe even in NT4.0 I did not have a problem.

The quality in the soundcard I think is fine....but I think this is more of a personal preference than anything else...the human ear can only hear so much! :lips:

(v)aVerick
09-24-2002, 06:37 AM
IMO, people give Creative to much credit. There are a lot of people out there saying how great their SBLive is or Audigy but I doubt many of them have tried alternatives from Philips or Hercules. I plan on upgrading to a new level of speakers where audio quaility of a sound card can play a big part. If you can't tell the difference between 128 bit and 196 bit music well then don't be concerned about your speakers/sound card ;)

As for the performance hit, becareful what you say if your not sure ;) Example: http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q2/soundcards/index.x?pg=10

Everyone runs a different setup and just because a certain product works for you does not mean it works for everyone. I'm not the first nor am I the last to have problems with a Creative product. I've had to reformat my computer several times due to Creative's shotty job on drivers and I don't plan on playing with it anymore. For under a 100 Canadian I can get a new sound card up to or better then the par set by any SB Live card. Even with the Audigy 2 around the corner I don't plan on waiting. Over $200 for a sound card is wrong.

saidin
09-24-2002, 08:52 AM
Wow, reformatting to get a soundcard to work. Were you installing the SB16 on linux Redhat 5.3, or a SB live on a win32 machine? If the version of linux, then I could possibly understand, but windows...cone on ;). There is this thing called safe mode in windows, where you can uninstall drivers and not have to completely format your drive.

About the article, maybe you should have read your own source. Seems to me that they liked the Sound Blaster Audigy, actually was one of the two the picked for the top, a creative card. On the other had, they did not pick the hercules. And they cleary point out, through the graphs, that the SB does not cause a preformance HIT. . . if you consider 77(SB live) FPS vs. 77.9 (Fortissmo) then maybe you should go with the no sound; it had 111.3 FPS. I mean come on, a performance hit is something like it takes away from 20% of the performance of the machine...not .001%

You are correct $200 for a soundcard is rediculous, but a sound blaster live is only $17 and the audigy is $60. Clearly these prices are not $200, now if you want the platinum (which comes with a bay that has stereo, firewire, optical, etc plugs) then you will have to shell out more...but you get more.

If you are so concerned with the quality of music...you should not be listening to compress music files (mp3, ogg)...why, b/c compression kills the quality of music.


: peace:

(v)aVerick
09-24-2002, 09:21 AM
My problems with my sound card could quite possibly be the issues with a "recall" on my mobo, Gigabyte 7VRXP v1.1 (which is being replaced as I type.)

www.vr-zpne.com:
The Sound Blaster Audigy 2 has an estimated street price of US9.99; and the Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum 2 has an estimated street price of US9.99. Both products are slated for worldwide shipment in October.

Your quoted prices are OEM's and not retail.

That roundup was with a Fortissimo II, not III. Obviously if it was version III I wouldn't say
I haven't found EVEN ONE REVIEW! and this thread probably wouldn't be here.

However a performance hit is a performance hit, regardless. All those sound cards in that review can be looked upon as being the of the older generation as new cards such as the Fortissimo and Audigy have new cards on.coming to the market. Therefore, the performance hit between them and an old card could (and most likely will) be larger.

(v)aVerick
09-25-2002, 02:09 PM
GOT ONE!

http://www.hardwareinfo.net/reviews.php?id=330

I haven't tried to translate it yet . . .

Mr.Tweak
09-25-2002, 02:18 PM
The product is still very new. We have a sample coming from Herucles Australia, review will be up in roughly 2 weeks.

(v)aVerick
09-26-2002, 12:54 AM
Really? Sounds great!

It's going to be another 2 weeks before I get my good comp up and running so that will be perfect.

The Audigy 2 card looks like it will turn heads but price wise the Fortissimo line has always been able to beat Creative. My friend keeps telling me to wait for VIA's sound card but he's the same one that told me to buy a 955DF and that monitor has been gone for repairs for the thrid time now . . . but I think the image quality problem I have with it is in all 19" Samsungs . . ..

RobTodd
10-10-2002, 02:11 AM
Any word on that Fortissimo III review? ;)

FLaCo
10-10-2002, 10:25 AM
My audigy gives me slight problems....meaning next time i am gonna give another card a try... possibly a Hecules

Mr. C
10-10-2002, 10:45 AM
Several good cards on the market - and lots of reviews to study.
I got the Game Theatre XP - for me it's excellent. But everyone has different needs, so take your time and shop careful.

(v)aVerick
10-11-2002, 01:08 AM
I still haven't found any good reviews for it yet. With the new Creative cards coming out soon it might be a wise decision to wait until then. But then again even if you have a great sound card your limited by your speakers so I might just get the Fortissimo III anyways.

{PoSeIdOnAs}
10-31-2002, 07:38 PM
[b]If you are so concerned with the quality of music...you should not be listening to compress music files (mp3, ogg)...why, b/c compression kills the quality of music.

I dunno..... my 100% VBR rips through musicmatch jukebox sound friggin spectacular :D (and actually is hard to discern between that and CD directly......matter of fact it sounds better on the mp3 since the VBR boosted the bass response :) )......and yes this is on a great pair of full-ear headphones.....even the car too...

yeah i know compression kills quality of music but dude.....im surprised at the nill effect of this rip level into mp3 (NOT mp3pro****)

anyway just saying :thumb:

SileNceR
10-31-2002, 07:51 PM
I use Sennheiser HD45-II headphones to listen to my music often and it is clear the difference between different mp3 files, similar to the difference between a good mp3 and a cd - unfortunately while CDs are better, it's hardly practical - especially if you like to be able to download the latest songs (not err... saying that I do that or anything)

And sblive's aren't great, but they aint bad when compared to many alternatives, including uck.,.. onboard sound.,