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The Wizard
01-12-2002, 02:56 PM
http://www.auto.com/latestnews/pm91_20020111.htm

Sorry to hear it Ford. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Wiggo
01-12-2002, 04:12 PM
Pretty much reflecting the same thing that's happened here over in Austraralia for the last 30yrs. :(
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Albinus
01-12-2002, 05:06 PM
Well it's happening to the Japs as well Wiz - you just aren't hearing that in the U.S. (most likely) :(

Mr. C
01-12-2002, 08:05 PM
Globalization, we all swim together we all sink together:(
I always feel sympathy when a factory or assembly plant closes. That's a lot of folks in one area out of work. Not many communities can begin to provide enough job opportunities to make up the difference. Usually the case is that the rest of the local economy is crimped in a big way.

These situations almost always have a huge trickle-down effect.

Mr. C
01-15-2002, 05:48 PM
Gives a whole new meaning to the tag-line doesn't it.

Built Ford?.........TOUGH!:no:

Albinus
01-15-2002, 06:01 PM
Built Ford?.........TOUGH![/B]:no:


I like that one Charles :clap: :clap: :clap:

RDR
01-15-2002, 08:07 PM
that Oakville, Ontario plant is about 30min from where I live - I drive by it about once a week.

What that article doesn't say it that the F150 truck is only one line in the plant - the major production is the Windstar minivan - which is still being produced at record levels.

In fact, they just built a huge new office complex at at that site - so I don't think they're hurting too bad

RDR
01-16-2002, 02:42 AM
I will however be Buying 2 North American built cars in the next 2-3 years:
A Chrysler Sebring for my wife this year & a Dodge Dakota 4x4 for me next year or the year after (my Ford Ranger4x4 is getting a little long in the tooth)

Mr. C
01-16-2002, 09:15 AM
Actually RDR I've seen companies, plants, and even military bases go through major new construction just before they shut down.
Several reasons for that, one being - if they spend a lot of money, they think they can force the corporation/government hand too keep them open. Another is the increased price that can be asked for the property if and when they sell it. And I would guess that there would be some considerable benefits at tax-time also to spending all that money.

Beware major new construction, sometimes it can be an indicator of a rattler in the woodpile:no:

acrolein
01-16-2002, 12:46 PM
I hate ford.

I'm sorry.

I've given them two tries. One try was a Ford Escort, and the other was a Ford Bronco, and both of them eventually were Found On Road Dead.

They suck. I'm glad they are shutting down plants for more than one reason. Oh yeah, and those cars were already being cut off, so it's no big news...they've already been replaced.

Onyx
01-16-2002, 12:50 PM
You people in North American are SOOO lucky!! You've got so many car manufacturers and so many production facilities to be able to shut that many down and still have the industry survive.

Blame it on the dufus'es buying F150s for pose value. And Nobody needs a 4x4 to trasport kids...

The Wizard
01-16-2002, 01:56 PM
I hate ford.

I'm sorry.

I've given them two tries. One try was a Ford Escort, and the other was a Ford Bronco, and both of them eventually were Found On Road Dead.

They suck. I'm glad they are shutting down plants for more than one reason. Oh yeah, and those cars were already being cut off, so it's no big news...they've already been replaced.

i am on my 3rd ford now, first was a 88 ranger, 2nd was a 93 mercury cougar, 3rd is now my baby, the 96 Mustang. i have loved all of them, and had no troubles. sorry to hear about the escort, they are ****ty cars unfortunatly.

JealousMidget
01-19-2002, 07:00 PM
I've had a couple Fords. The first was a '71 Maverick and the second was '80 Fairmont. Of course I got them both used. They were fun to drive. That Maverick was pretty spucky, considering only about 5 of the 8 cyls were firing. :laugh:

I don't think I would ever buy a new one, though. ;)

The Wizard
01-20-2002, 07:06 AM
Ford's market is big trucks. plain and simple. nobody can touch a full-size F350 turbo-diesel truck. they 0wn. cars, (even the Mustang to some extent) are there just to round out the company, they arent the bread and butter of the company. why focus on making a highly advanced escort that sells for 22k, topped out, or a truck that brings in 45k easy for a nice one?? the math speaks for itself, considering Ford has had the best selling series of trucks (the F-Series) since like 1980. that says something right there. what can i say, i love Ford, but I would support Chevy and *ugh* Dodge too over a damn rice burner. (Even tho the skyline, supra and RX-7 0wn me :cry: ) :D

The Wizard
01-21-2002, 12:17 AM
ok, this just in:

CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington.
The findings are as follows......

1. Ford- $1 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept. The company also offered ER response team services and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM- $1 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number and a fleet of vans, suv's, and trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler- $10 million to support of the children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new motorcycles to the New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen- Employees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation,
funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi- Nothing.

8. BMW- Nothing.

9. Daewoo- Nothing.

10. Fiat- Nothing.

11. Honda- Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in August 2001

12. Isuzu- Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi- Nothing.

14. Nissan- Nothing.

15. Porsche- Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru- Nothing.
17. Suzuki- Nothing.

18. Toyota- Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001. Condolences posted on the website

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new vehicle, keep this
information in mind. You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States. It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their
attention.

Anonymous
01-21-2002, 01:19 AM
I agree with what you say wholeheartedly Wiz!
However I would like to point out the following - which I blatantly stole directly from a page at the Honda site;

Honda and our associates and dealers offer our sincere condolences and respect to the victims and families involved in the tragic events of September 11, 2001. We also offer our deep appreciation and support for the inspiring efforts of the thousands of American heroes involved in rescue and recovery during this time of national need.

- The Honda Family of Companies


Together with our associates, Honda is working to support assistance programs designed to help cope with these devastating losses.

Direct associate contributions have raised $448,534 from thousands of Honda associates, contractors and retirees from every Honda company in North America.

In addition, American Honda Motor Co., Inc., Honda of America Mfg., Inc. and other sister companies in North America have contributed a total of $1,100,534, including company matching funds and direct cash contributions.

These combined efforts total $1,549,068. The bulk of these funds have been earmarked to the United Way of New York "September 11 Fund," and the American Red Cross.

As an immediate step, Honda donated all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) to help rescue workers quickly navigate the difficult terrain around the World Trade Center. These vehicles provide immediate aid to speed recovery efforts and cleanup in the area. Other material contributions include water pumps and generators to assist City of New York Fire Department crews with cleanup and repair efforts. We remain in touch with New York authorities to determine their need for additional equipment. Honda had previously donated commercial generators to the American Red Cross for use in disaster-relief efforts such as this.

Mr. C
01-21-2002, 01:36 AM
yes, that was me in that post.
Teach me to arrive here the roundabout way:D


As a courtesy to all (and particularly to CNN - Being a Time-Warner enterprise, and therefore a subsidiary of AOL ::: Therefore I am certain they are completely clueless as to how to get around on the internet) I shall provide a link to the above information, so you may view it for yourself.

http://www.honda.com/hondaresponds.html

I was going to spread the news around that you had posted Wizard, but I wanted to do a bit of fact checking first:)

As is typical since Ted Turner sold the network;
CNN can't hit their arse with both hands:angryfire

A true shame, because I remember well when they were the leader in the industry. Back in those days, they were always out in front by a country-mile!

The Wizard
01-24-2002, 05:55 AM
[deep, deep patriotism]
bah, honda still sucks. aaaarrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!
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Anonymous
01-24-2002, 07:10 AM
Hey Wiz....Do you guys have Chev Luminas over there?
and if so,.what do ya think of em?

Mr. C
01-24-2002, 07:41 AM
LOL @ Wiz
At least Honda still manufactures cars in the USA, as opposed to assembling them, like GM, Chrysler, Dodge, and yes even Ford.

Won't knock you for patriotism though dude - just a shame that an American name can't be American made.
Perhaps you could share some of your patriotism with the auto companies - it would sure do this country good if they had some.

The Wizard
01-25-2002, 11:23 AM
1. true the are assembled here, by NON-UNION workers that make less and have less benefits than their UAW counterparts. also, the average auto worker in the US makes less per hour than do japanese workers, so we are essentially cheap labor for them, as mexico is for us.

2. It costs less for them to make a car here than in japan as they dont have to ship raw steel/iron to japan, make a car out of it and ship it back.

3. since the cars are made here, they dont pay import taxes, again saving them money.

4. the income taxes japanese companies pay goes (guess where)
thats right, japan, as their corporations are based there, so the US only sees money from sales tax on the car when it is sold.

the japanese are using us, take an economics class, its plain and simple. true ford cars are assembled here and all that, but thats as American as i can buy.

Albinus
01-25-2002, 11:41 AM
the japanese are using us, take an economics class, its plain and simple. true ford cars are assembled here and all that, but thats as American as i can buy.


Same happens with the U.S. - every year billions of $$$ go offshore from Australia to the U.S. in the same fashion - and they are still taking over our Australian companies in a hostile manner :hmph:

Mr. C
01-25-2002, 11:51 AM
but thats as American as i can buy.

That my friend is a sad - yet all too true statement.

Anonymous
01-29-2002, 08:00 AM
lemme break it down. ford is losing feild in the car industry not because of poor advertising or a national emergency. ford is losing ground for one plain simple stares you in the face fact. FORD CARS ARE INFERIOR. gee they breakdown more get less gas mileage and cost more. why would i buy a 30,000 doller hunk of crap that wasnt even made in america. i would rather buy a quality product that is actually made in america. and youre wrong about honda being a japanese company. does HONDA OF AMERICA mean anything to you.ITS A COMPLETELY DIFFERNT COMPANY. just face it ford is losing because ford sux. the beauty of america is that if your product sux you go out of bussiness. so keep supporting mexican workers and buying big gas guzzling fords. thanx but ill keep my honda. i project ford wont last another 10 years(without drastic restructuring). as long as ford trys to keep cost down instead of spending to make a quality product theyll never last. by the way heres a list of the problems with my sisters 95 mercury(ford) mystique.
1 recall on entire wiring harness(we were already replacing it cause it was broke)
2 gee the wiring harness broke again
3timing belt breaks at 35,000 miles(complete valve job)
4wow another wiring harness
5 serious tranny and ecu problems(car is down for about 2 months)
6 lastly but not least the timing belt breaks again( the cars is still down after a month having a valve job)
GOTTA LOVE THAT FORD QUALITY

Anonymous
01-29-2002, 10:45 AM
4. the income taxes japanese companies pay goes (guess where)
thats right, japan, as their corporations are based there, so the US only sees money from sales tax on the car when it is sold.

the japanese are using us, take an economics class, its plain and simple. true ford cars are assembled here and all that, but thats as American as i can buy.

....you are talking like America is going broke or somthing, America spends most of it's money on bombing and pissing off other countrys, and you can't tell me that Ford make better cars than say, Toyota or Honda, they just can't do it, and If I was going to buy a Ford I would buy an Aussie ford,

The Wizard
01-30-2002, 07:53 AM
by the way heres a list of the problems with my sisters 95 mercury(ford) mystique.
1 recall on entire wiring harness(we were already replacing it cause it was broke)
2 gee the wiring harness broke again
3timing belt breaks at 35,000 miles(complete valve job)
4wow another wiring harness
5 serious tranny and ecu problems(car is down for about 2 months)
6 lastly but not least the timing belt breaks again( the cars is still down after a month having a valve job)
GOTTA LOVE THAT FORD QUALITY

did you skip my post above entirely? here it is again in case you cant read:


Ford's market is big trucks. plain and simple. nobody can touch a full-size F350 turbo-diesel truck. they 0wn. cars, (even the Mustang to some extent) are there just to round out the company, they arent the bread and butter of the company. why focus on making a highly advanced escort that sells for 22k, topped out, or a truck that brings in 45k easy for a nice one?? the math speaks for itself, considering Ford has had the best selling series of trucks (the F-Series) since like 1980. that says something right there. what can i say, i love Ford, but I would support Chevy and *ugh* Dodge too over a damn rice burner. (Even tho the skyline, supra and RX-7 0wn me )

as far as your car, so what? so you got one that has wiring harness problems. for a car (besides a Mustang) i would buy a Volkswagen. For a truck, its all about Ford. Or you could get a honda/toyota/mitsubishi/nissan, oh wait a second, they only make compact trucks. hahaha. even the toyota tundra thats supposed to be a "full size truck" is about as big as a freakin ranger or s10. thats pathetic. all honda makes is cars, (and lawnmowers, which is where they get their engines from). so if they couldnt do that right, thats pretty pathetic. and as far as the honda of america, thats plain ****ing bull****, they are the same company. you think they would allow another company to do business with the honda name making the same exact cars?? oh thats right, they wouldn't, and they dont, as the two are the same company. take an economics class genius, might make you think twice about where your hard earned mcdonald's paycheck goes.

Mr. C
01-30-2002, 08:32 AM
Hee hee -- when your Ford truck is as old as mine, bring it by -- we'll race:thumb:


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The Wizard
01-30-2002, 08:43 AM
right on Mr. C!! Ford r0x!!

Mr. C
01-30-2002, 10:59 PM
MMMmmm
OK, not the best picture, but that is clearly a "bowtie" on the front of that truck I posted. LOL

The Wizard
01-31-2002, 12:40 AM
oh ok, when you said your ford truck is as old as mine, i just glanced down and assumed it was a Ford, didnt pay much attention to it lol!!:eek:

Mr. C
01-31-2002, 01:33 AM
That's OK!
I just didn't want any vicious rumors starting as to what brand I'm driving:D

Anonymous
01-31-2002, 11:00 AM
ok the honda of america thing. wut do you think that they ship in a bunch of japanese people to fill all the work they produce here. if you call any honda factory or dealership do you think youll only get a jap who speaks broken english. your simply wrong. yes the parent company gets a percentage of its profits. if you think that the people dont get paid good youre wrong. most of the execs are american too. oh yea and i guess you didnt know that japan has little natural recources. things like steel and aluminum. where do they get it hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm could it be american workers. ok so honda employs thousands of people here in AMERICA. ford builds its cars in MEXICO. i can pronounce the state where hondas are made, can u do that for ford.hmmmmm so hondas are made with quality american work and fords are made with 3rd world labor(yes mexico and canada might as well be 3rd world) so if you wanna buy a ford made by a guy makin 40 dollars a month go ahead. by the way im a junior in college i think you should take the economics course. and youll think twice about where to spend the check for letting uncle sam butt rape you, soldierboy.

Mr. C
01-31-2002, 05:57 PM
OK, sounds like you were awake in class.
That was along the lines of the point I was trying to make some time ago.

That last line was rather harsh though -- ugly hazing memories perhaps?

The Wizard
02-01-2002, 06:36 AM
ok the honda of america thing. wut do you think that they ship in a bunch of japanese people to fill all the work they produce here. if you call any honda factory or dealership do you think youll only get a jap who speaks broken english. your simply wrong. yes the parent company gets a percentage of its profits. if you think that the people dont get paid good youre wrong. most of the execs are american too. oh yea and i guess you didnt know that japan has little natural recources. things like steel and aluminum. where do they get it hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm could it be american workers. ok so honda employs thousands of people here in AMERICA. ford builds its cars in MEXICO. i can pronounce the state where hondas are made, can u do that for ford.hmmmmm so hondas are made with quality american work and fords are made with 3rd world labor(yes mexico and canada might as well be 3rd world) so if you wanna buy a ford made by a guy makin 40 dollars a month go ahead. by the way im a junior in college i think you should take the economics course. and youll think twice about where to spend the check for letting uncle sam butt rape you, soldierboy.

wow, a junior in college, well good for you, global economics, yes, they have few natural resources such as aluminum and iron, etc, and they USED to import them from us, but now they make their cars here, so no need to import the metal right?? wow, what a concept. as far as the workers here, yes, honda workers are american, BUT, they are NON-UNION, meaning they have no job security....the Fords that are built here support union labor. as far as uncle sam "buttraping me", lets take this from the beginning. it doesnt sound like a big deal for you, because you are probably some spoiled little rich kid, who gets upset when his parent's servant forgets the curly straw in your chocolate milk, but i took an oath to give my life if needs be to protect not only your freedom, but your rights in this country. the thousands of people like me go overseas and put their lives on the line to keep you safe in your bed at night. dont you ever take that for granted, and reduce its value. its people like you who disgrace this country, its founding fathers, and all we stand for. true, you are free to your opinion, but dont talk **** on me for being willing to protect your right to say it. i guess my scrolling message in my signature applies to you too, oh wait, you don't even have patriotism AFTER September 11th. damn kids these days :shoot3:

Beefy
02-01-2002, 06:50 AM
:eek: .... *hides from the wrath of The Wiz*

Mr. C
02-01-2002, 08:25 AM
Testify Wizard!!

Yes Sir! That's right!

But I never heard of a Union guaranteeing job security.
They will however collect their dues while you are unemployed.

Anonymous
02-01-2002, 08:26 AM
wow, a junior in college, well good for you, global economics, yes, they have few natural resources such as aluminum and iron, etc, and they USED to import them from us, but now they make their cars here, so no need to import the metal right?? wow, what a concept. as far as the workers here, yes, honda workers are american, BUT, they are NON-UNION, meaning they have no job security....the Fords that are built here support union labor. as far as uncle sam "buttraping me", lets take this from the beginning. it doesnt sound like a big deal for you, because you are probably some spoiled little rich kid, who gets upset when his parent's servant forgets the curly straw in your chocolate milk, but i took an oath to give my life if needs be to protect not only your freedom, but your rights in this country. the thousands of people like me go overseas and put their lives on the line to keep you safe in your bed at night. dont you ever take that for granted, and reduce its value. its people like you who disgrace this country, its founding fathers, and all we stand for. true, you are free to your opinion, but dont talk **** on me for being willing to protect your right to say it. i guess my scrolling message in my signature applies to you too, oh wait, you don't even have patriotism AFTER September 11th. damn kids these days :shoot3:

Every American has the same attitude, and it ****s me, most Americans are very up themselves about their country, America is actually a pretty crap country, I have been to America and hated it, give me a good free country like Australia, over here, we just donít give a ****. And donít cry poor because if I recall the American dollar is worth a hell of a lot more that ours.:angryfire

Wiggo
02-01-2002, 11:43 AM
Maybe this forum should be locked down with all the flamin' that goes on here by certain ppl. :?: :(
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Mr. C
02-01-2002, 06:11 PM
Just curious Moose, where did you go when you were here?

I imagine if you visited where I live, you would find it boring as....:D

Anonymous
02-01-2002, 08:33 PM
wizard how can you relate our forefathers to the modern day police state we call america. they beleived in true freedom not just the "freedom" that has been crammed down your throat. about the economics your so up to date on maybe youd know that the original constitution BANNED an income tax. oh im sorry cnn didnt tell you that did they. our forefathers beleived in the power of states. its people like you who disgrace america. defending my freedom. bull**** you prolly scrub toilets or wash windows. as far as me being a rich spoiled kid dream on. i work like everyone else. open your eyes wizard. im not joining the military to die for what some politician beleives. ok if you are so patriotic then explain why we get mad when arafat gets a boatload of weapons to defend themselves. when every weapon the isrealis use(to kill palestinian children) are american made???? how many boatloads did it take to get 300 tanks and 500 f16s over there???why do we support a jewish state and supress a muslim one? why do we keep non violent drug offenders in prison longer than rapists and killers? the politicians you defend have corrupted america. heres one of my quotes. "free as our forefathers intended we are not"

ResinScraper
02-01-2002, 09:56 PM
i can't believe what i'm reading... what happend to you japscarsrule? what happend to your patriotism... i sure hope everybody else in the studio is still tru americans... i think your just pissed cause you know my badass 81 f-100 with 610,000 miles on it would WH00P the d0g p00 out of your POS ragady a$$ civic... AND YOU KNOW IT F00

Anonymous
02-02-2002, 09:45 AM
sorry resinscraper but i am a true patriot. our country has been misled for a long time. lets see bush took away most of our civil liberties. yes your phone can be tapped now(all they have to do is call you a terrorist) your email can be read your house can be searchedwith no warrant. im sorry but when the bill of rights starts to evaporate i get pissed. sorry its just my point of view. and about the race next time i see ya well line em up:yawn:

Raven
02-18-2002, 12:40 PM
LOL, I like that.. Banned By Administrator..

It's a little late to be picking up this thread, but I'd say that it's all in the name of commercialism. Take hardware for example. Where is it made? Where it's cheapest to make it. Where to we buy it? At pretty much the cheapest place we can get a functional product for. Some of this closing down has to do with increasing mechanization in the plants too. Have you SEEN some of the assembly lines?

We exist to make and save money. While it's true my next vehicle will be a Ford Ranger, I don't give a damn what the next guy drives. If someone else comes up with what is proven to be a better vehicle for damn near the same price, I'm probably going to be all for it. Hell I've seen some interesting competetors (say a 3 wheeled tri-car in London).

Anyways, just wanted to throw that in there :D Take it as you will (hopefully with a grain of salt)

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Raven
02-18-2002, 12:41 PM
Oh, and japcarsrule.. If you're a true patriot, JOIN THE MILITARY!

No wait.. with what you commented on, I don't want to see you in my family (military). Yes, that's right. I consider it a family.

Oh well, I won't turn this into a political dispute.. I was never good at politics anyways :D

Albinus
02-18-2002, 12:49 PM
Well I think we haven't had any more problems since..... :?:

Morgan_Lander
03-08-2002, 12:16 PM
The only ford in my immediate family has had the most issues but that's because it's driver (my, younger, less road-astute brother) has gotten it so banged up with his driving.

I'll just say this: my Honda runs well, especially for it's age. I'd buy one next time (free, good working cars are good), in all likelyhood. I haven't had to put a lot of money into this considering it's a 15 year old vehicle with 255,000+ miles on it.

If I want to buy Japanese, I will; If I want to buy American, I will. I will get whatever works best for me. Japan--another honda; America--a dodge. I'm not really into ford, but that's me.

In short, I'll buy what I damn well please!

Albinus
03-08-2002, 01:57 PM
In short, I'll buy what I damn well please!


Gotta love democracy, eh? ;) :D

Wiggo
03-08-2002, 02:01 PM
Ya certainly do don't ya. :D
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Mr. C
03-08-2002, 05:58 PM
Always your best bet to get what works for you.