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etrix
01-14-2002, 03:40 AM
Can I do a clean install of xp with an upgrade disk? I only have an oem verson of 98se. I don't want to put 98se in first. I did an upgrade at first because I was waiting for mobo and cpu. Any help would be appreciated. :confused: Thanx Ed:beer:

Darthtanion
01-14-2002, 05:06 AM
I think that the upgrade looks for a previous install of windows before it allows you to install WinXP, but you can always try. Just set your BIOS to use the CD as the first boot device and give it a go.

You should, of course, back up any important data first. :)

Let us know how it goes.

etrix
01-14-2002, 06:08 AM
Darth, I read somewhere that you can do a clean install with an upgrade disk, but it will ask you for your 98 cd during the install to verify that you qualify for the upgrade and not the full install. I also read that it sometimes doesn't work with an oem version of 98. Well one way to find out. Thanx Ed:drunk: on me

Mr. C
01-14-2002, 06:21 AM
A direct quote from Microsoft's page Upgrade Advice, Known Issues, and Answers (http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/before.asp)

Q: Can the Windows XP upgrade version be installed on a clean hard drive?

A: Yes. Insert the Windows XP upgrade CD, and start Setup if necessary. When prompted, click Install Windows. At the Welcome to Windows Setup window, choose the installation type New Installation (Advanced). Click Next, and follow the instructions. Setup will prompt you to insert a valid CD containing your earlier version of Windows as proof that you qualify for the upgrade.


So there you have it - from Saint Bill himself:angel:

etrix
01-14-2002, 07:24 AM
OK Mr. C. We have to take uncle Bill's :geek: at his word. Yeh right! Why start now. Glad I misunderstood the oem thing. I don't
feel like spending another $200 when I've got the upgrade cd.
Thanx Ed:beer:

Darthtanion
01-14-2002, 08:13 AM
As long as it's a legitimate OEM disk, then it should work. Otherwise, there would be a lot of folks out there who would be out of luck. Uncle Bill may be greedy, but I don't think he's outright stupid. That would be cutting his throat.

Nice to know about the clean install though. That's a nice tidbit of info. :D

Beefy
01-14-2002, 08:20 AM
:) I've installed many an operating system using an upgrade version and a 'backup' of an earlier OS...

Mozez
01-16-2002, 02:25 AM
Etrix, I think there are two ways mentioned in this thread about installing XP with the upgrade CD. I've just done both ways this week. Like someone said, you can run the setup from within an existing windows or just boot off the upgrade CD and wipe everything out and install from scratch. It will prompt you to insert any qualifying windows CD to continue. I know that 98, Me and 2000 was mentioned. I thought I saw 95 in there as well, but I could be mistaken.

Have a good day.

Mozez

Mr. C
01-16-2002, 10:08 AM
I don't believe Win95 is acceptable to the XP upgrade version, Uncle Bill doesn't like it when you don't get all his new stuff:eek:

xpadvisor
01-16-2002, 05:27 PM
Windows XPe can use Win95--Win98--WinME--WinNT4.0

Windows XP Professional can use all above plus Win2k

For Win2k and WinXP Home you can only use WinXP Pro

I am pretty sure I got that right.

Mr. C
01-16-2002, 08:24 PM
Well, now I'm confused. These two pages at M$
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/matrix.asp
and
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/upgrading/matrix.asp
indicate Win95 is not eligible for upgrade to either version of XP. (as was indicated on the product boxes I have read)

But in the MSKB there are several questions concerning upgrades from Win95...........

What's up with that??

Mozez
01-16-2002, 09:57 PM
Well Mr. C, there is definitely something wrong with the info on that link. Might I venture to say the same about the 'official' qualifying products in general. It says that you can't upgrade the XP Home edition from Windows 2000 professional, but during my installation it asked for any previous qualifying products, and win2k was listed as one of them. Sure enough, I inserted my OEM Win2k CD and it took it.

I haven't tried upgrading an existing windows 2000 setup to XP with the Home Ed, and maybe that's where the rule applies. I usually wipe the HD clean and start from scratch. In that scenario, almost all previous windows CDs apply. I will try tonight with 95 to confirm/deny it's eligibility.

Mozez

xpadvisor
01-17-2002, 08:16 AM
Mr. C----and others

You cannot upgrade from Win95 but a Win95 CD can be a
proof that you can do a clean install with a qualifying product.
Been there --done it.

Mr. C
01-17-2002, 10:00 AM
Thanks for clearing that up xpadvisor - it makes sense the way you put it:thumb:

Beefy
01-17-2002, 10:21 AM
makes sense

i fail to see why someone would still be using win95 to upgrade it in the first place if there computer is capable of running XP..

Darthtanion
01-17-2002, 11:16 AM
I can...

Our networked system uses Win95 for the PCs hooked up to it. It has to do with IT folks who don't want to learn a new OS, but want to limit the functionality of a computer. So it is possible to have a Win95 system and upgrade to XP. And it looks like we may finally be able to dump Win95 soon on our system and go with XP. Here's hoping that it changes! :beer:

Beefy
01-17-2002, 11:25 AM
IT people that don't wanna learn a new OS? most IT people I know jump at the chance to upgrade.. Usually so they can have more fun with new features themselves.. Hmm.. when am I gonna upgrade to XP at work.. haven't got anything scheduled tomorrow.. :)

But then again, in business it costs to upgrade OS's all the time.. that's something that I don't really think about.. My work place has an MLA (microsoft licensing agreement) where we can install any version of Windows or Office (both pre-XP) as many times as needed.... which is handy

Wiggo
01-17-2002, 05:22 PM
The IT ppl who work on the PC's at work think Win 95 on 300MHz Celerons with 32MB of ram are more than enough even when they set the bloody things up to open 27 apps at startup. :angryfire
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Kheldar
01-17-2002, 05:37 PM
i wonder if u can do the old point it back to itself trick that u can do with office upgrade

Kheldar
01-17-2002, 05:41 PM
I can...

Our networked system uses Win95 for the PCs hooked up to it. It has to do with IT folks who don't want to learn a new OS, but want to limit the functionality of a computer. So it is possible to have a Win95 system and upgrade to XP. And it looks like we may finally be able to dump Win95 soon on our system and go with XP. Here's hoping that it changes! :beer:

the reason for this is that it is bloody hard to try and support several different OS's (like we do at work win95, win98se, winNT, win2k & winXP - mine)
so companies tend to do a mass migration to a different OS but this costs $$$$$ so it usually takes a while before they change over

Mr. C
01-17-2002, 06:55 PM
The IT ppl who work on the PC's at work think Win 95 on 300MHz Celerons with 32MB of ram are more than enough even when they set the bloody things up to open 27 apps at startup. :angryfire
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I just boggle at people who have a system tray that stretches 1/2 way across to the Start button. I like to point out one and ask
"What does that one do?".
"I don't know."
"Do you need it?"
"It's there when you start the computer!"
"Do you use it?"
"It's there when I start the computer!"
"Do you want it there?"
"It's always been there!"
"Why don't you get rid of it?"
"It's always been there!"
"Ummm - OK then."

Invariably followed up by -- "So can you tell me why my resources are so low?" Should I get more memory?" "It runs so slow?":crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Wiggo
01-17-2002, 07:26 PM
For some reason these blokes just don't understand anything but I find that Ctrl+Alt+Del comes in very handy as we're not allowed to tweak the systems. :shoot:
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Darthtanion
01-18-2002, 12:21 AM
so companies tend to do a mass migration to a different OS but this costs $$$$$ so it usually takes a while before they change over


Understood, but Win95 is over 5 years old! I don't think that it is asking too much to at least stay within the past couple of years or so.

Besides, our IT folks are running Win2k on their systems. :angryfire

Mr. C
01-18-2002, 10:51 AM
You would get a kick out of the place I work, still got the old "green" screens and F1-F22 Keys. But actually, it does get the job done.

And Windows -- NOT. The newest machine there is a 33Mhz (that's the one we punch in and out on) they spare no expense I tell you that:cackle:

Beefy
01-18-2002, 10:58 AM
Besides, our IT folks are running Win2k on their systems. :angryfire

*looks guilty*.......


Hehehe.. that's me. Whole campus - Win NT.. my machine - Win 2k.. :)

Anonymous
01-20-2002, 07:05 AM
I tried to do exactly this with my Gateway version of W98SE. Here's what happened:
1) The XP Install procedure called for the WIN98 cd.
2) The XP procedure could not explore, read, utilize, legitimize, or do anything with Gateway's product- a licensed, clean cd.
3) Gateway's Tech Support told me it wasn't their problem.
4) Microsoft's Tech Support said, "No problem. You just have to enter the key number when called for."
5) Forty-five minutes later he came back and admitted only a Microsoft branded cd would work. (The pgm has no place for the user to enter a key number.)
6) Three hours later his supervisor agreed to ship me a WIN98SE cd directly from Microsoft- to arrive in two weeks.
7) Five hours later they agreed to ship it to arrive in three days.
8) Three days later I received a full version of WIN XP from Microsoft, no charge.

The bottom line is this: each OEM has done their own thing with the OS cds they supply you. Microsoft has no guidelines for the OEMs and has also failed- completely- to make the upgrade version useable with the vast majority of OS cds in use. Where this is going to leave users and Microsoft down the road remains to be seen.

Wiggo
01-20-2002, 09:50 AM
**** don't let Bill find out or he'll have a fit. :D
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