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Lian Li Tech
01-02-2014, 10:40 AM
Hi Everyone,

First off, we would like to thank everyone for your feedback on all our previous prototypes especially the PC-A51 which we just announced revisions to.


On to our very special new project. Since desks and PCs have always had a symbiotic relationship, we decided it would only make sense to combine the two in our new desk chassis prototype: DK01.
Constructed mostly out of aluminum, our newest prototype is unlike anything we have designed before, yet includes many of our familiar high-end features, including a brushed aluminum finish, modular HDD bays, tool-less mounting, and a minimalistic design.


The LEDs, glass cover and monitor mount are planned to be included.


Check out the pics and specs below and let us know what you like and dislike, as well as reasonable changes you would make, so that we can provide the best desk chassis possible. We invite your comments.

http://i.imgur.com/sATHdJH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bxwWWfO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cGF1pL6.jpg
DK01 with single monitor mount
http://i.imgur.com/azdVfWw.jpg
DK01 with double monitor mount
http://i.imgur.com/McWsT3s.jpg
Open drawer
http://i.imgur.com/7kxJl7T.jpg
Front I/O with lock
http://i.imgur.com/HgWcHZY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/i6qafjW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tJIoGWn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f5O8m9r.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EeqhIfy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0xxrGQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6UgAo1F.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8cEIqYa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wpJKUyX.jpg
HDD bays supporting 3.5" and 2.5" drives
http://i.imgur.com/rtF1g38.jpg
Bay for slim optical drives
http://i.imgur.com/aStsyMA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/INPOV10.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LDfHZIT.jpg
Support for CPU Coolers up to 180mm
http://i.imgur.com/s0U5HCw.jpg
Specs
http://i.imgur.com/F99N7ij.png

profJim
01-02-2014, 03:43 PM
Will there be any easily removable fan filters?
Is there a way to allow 140 or 200mm fans to be used?
Increase the depth at the back to allow additional fans for air intake or exhaust.
Allow sound deadening material to be installed.
Offer an optional kit to allow the DK01 to be installed in an existing desktop surface similar to how a sink is installed in an existing counter top.

I'll be happy to be a beta tester for the DK01. :smilies13

profJim
01-02-2014, 06:33 PM
Additional thoughts:

Will tempered safety glass be used?
The front I/O panel location might be a problem at work or at home.
A better location might be a vertical box on top of the glass surface at the back of the table.

Mopar63
01-02-2014, 09:06 PM
This makes a solid gaming station but I think the term Desk might be a bit overstating.

RazberyBandit
01-03-2014, 05:08 AM
Very interesting!

You could certainly lose the red legs for starters. Brushed aluminum or stainless steel would add a lot of class to the styling. At least match the legs to the silver finish of the dual-monitor mount.

With that many hard-disk bays, I think they'll need some fans blowing lengthwise along them to stay cool. That would mean the slide-out panel that faces the user (in these pics) would require a series of fans across it, which would prove quite unattractive. I'd suggest tasking an engineer to create a slide-out 10-disk HDD bay on the right- or left-side edge of the desk instead. Moving it as such would probably require quite a bit of re-wiring, or even a custom-engineered SATA/NAS terminal and power connection.

truprecht
01-03-2014, 05:35 AM
I think this is a fantastic idea, and I strongly agree with profJim's suggestion to make this mountable on an existing desk or table. I really want a computer case integrated with a desk, but I don't want the only option to be a 30-inch red kiddie desk that's barely wide enough for a keyboard and mouse. I would like to get a wooden table in the size, color, style I choose (from IKEA, for example) and mount this case underneath. The glass window view to the interior is not nearly as important as saving space and clutter.

-14 HDD/SSD bays seems like total overkill. Anyone with a 10+ HDD's is probably going to want them in a server closet, not on their lap.
-The interior-facing ODD is very, very kludgey. With so much room to work with, there are about 10 better ways to do it.

If you start with the idea of a case that will be mounted under a desk, it could be thinner, wider and vent through the bottom - more like an HTPC case that is 4 inches high and 30 inches wide. A 240mm radiator could be mounted horizontally, parallel to the desktop, drawing air up into the case next to the motherboard. A PCIE riser could do the same for the GPU.

profJim
01-03-2014, 06:33 AM
The number of available drive bays is not excessive when you consider that the DK01 will accommodate motherboard sizes from FlexATX up to EATX sizes. The length of long video cards or a very long, high wattage power supply will make many of the drive bays unavailable for some users. I assume that the Lian Li engineers will be doing some serious thermal and air flow testing as the design evolves.

I have additional concerns that deal with the cooling fan airflow restrictions at each end of the case.

Maybe the kiddy leg setup could be an optional DK01-KIDDY model and the standard product would be DIY install in the owner's table. An additional model setup might be required for business customers who will want to install the DK01-BIGBIZ model in existing cubicle work areas.

I'm curious as to what Lian Li's retail price target is for the DK01? :ponder:

Just my 2¢

from: ATX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX)


Name
Form factor (width depth)


FlexATX
9 7.5 in (229 191 mm)


microATX and EmbATX
9.6 9.6 in (244 244 mm)


Mini ATX
11.2 8.2 in (284 208 mm)


Standard ATX
12 9.6 in (305 244 mm)


EATX (extended ATX)
12 13 in (305 330 mm)


WTX (workstation ATX)
14 16.75 in (356 425 mm)





http://i.imgur.com/0xxrGQ1.jpg

BossMac
01-03-2014, 07:41 AM
Suggestions:


Modular legs or some variation of removable/retractable legs. That should make moving the CPU around easier especially out of the house.
How about putting the drives in cages rather than laying them out like that? Would save plenty of space. Preferably some dedicated SSD mounts along the bottom.
PSU mount - could mount it laying down instead of sideways.
Front I/O location could be better though, as stated.


Additional thoughts:

Is there space underneath the mobo tray? The images suggests so but also show the 24pin atx power snaking just underneath the drive cages.
Ideas on going wider?

Lian Li Tech
01-03-2014, 04:08 PM
Will there be any easily removable fan filters?
Is there a way to allow 140 or 200mm fans to be used?
Increase the depth at the back to allow additional fans for air intake or exhaust.
Allow sound deadening material to be installed.
Offer an optional kit to allow the DK01 to be installed in an existing desktop surface similar to how a sink is installed in an existing counter top.

I'll be happy to be a beta tester for the DK01. :smilies13

Yes, the fan filters are easily removable. Of current, only 120mm fans will fit, but we can think about changing - we would have to change the depth however.

Sound dampening material is a good idea.

For your other questions - we haven't completed decided on the glass to be used. Also, the I/O panel current location has been commented on by a lot of people. We will have to think of another location. However, we want to be careful not to take up desk space with the location as well as it being easily accessible.

heydan1983
01-03-2014, 11:10 PM
I think you should considerate remove some HDD/SSD cages and add some 5,25" bays, ok I know that today a few people use optical drives, but Im thinking more in water cooling people that want to add some fan controllers or temperature sensors and why no?, also an optical drive, maybe they could be removal so you can add the HDD/SSD cage if you needed

rexxxar
01-04-2014, 12:54 AM
Yes, the fan filters are easily removable. Of current, only 120mm fans will fit, but we can think about changing - we would have to change the depth however.

Sound dampening material is a good idea.

For your other questions - we haven't completed decided on the glass to be used. Also, the I/O panel current location has been commented on by a lot of people. We will have to think of another location. However, we want to be careful not to take up desk space with the location as well as it being easily accessible.

For desk space, please consider making it 60" lengthwise. Most of us who will afford this will require that working space. Please look at options using PCIE risers/extensions if need be. Silverstone's new Raven RVZ01 is a good reference, please take time to look at how they're trying things with PCIE options to work with spaces: Silverstone Raven RVZ01 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhPMe7T27Y).

Count me in as an early adopter for your new deskCase.

Tobias Topyla
01-04-2014, 06:41 AM
Dear Lian Li,

Thank you for the great opportunity to comment and post on the DK01 Prototype in order to pass some censure before release to the markets :smash:

My first thought was, that this is not an innovation at all as I have seen already something similar as a private case-mod on a German LAN-Party already 10 or 12 years ago. Nevertheless, it's a really good idea for a commercial product which I'd like to touch in reality.

This prototype has potential for some improvements... especially on the appearance as I personally feel it is not minimalistic and clean enough:

a) The combination of three colors at the same time doesn't work for my eyes. The silver dual screen holder has to match with the black glass and become less visible. I agree with earlier opinions, instead of red legs, I would prefer brushed aluminum or chrom-vanadium steel (at least as a more expensive option).

b) No plastic! The rubber feet is not acceptable and looks horrible cheap. It has to be entirely invisible beneath the legs. Please keep the good design element of the two rounded legs instead of typical four pillars. I really like that as it usually gives a lot of stability and is easier to mount together after delivery. However, the legs profile could be wider to make a better fit with the bold case corpus.

c) The case corpus size is odd and doesn't give me a symmetric impression. Honestly, it's the most ugly part on the entire thing. It's way to big in terms of height viewed from the front-side angle. Limit should be max. 140 mm (10 mm + FAN + 10 mm). GPU-Cards following the Industry-Standard reference design is anyway just 107 mm height. Two lying side ways 360 mm radiators is a perfect setup, don't change that but forget to support CPU coolers with 180 mm height. It's not required especially not by enthusiast running a silent water cooling system anyway.

d) Please stick to what you have wrote earlier and remove the front panel and put it on side or better at the back. I don't want to expose that this is a computer. Use monolithic design pattern and turn the Lian Li branding into just a tiny laser gravure next to power button (big letters and the nice & round green-yellow Lian Li logo under the glass next to Motherboard would be way much better). The lock is the typical lousy and easy to hack model. It doesn't make it more safety than a series of torx screws. Take it away, keep the front as clean as possible!

e) The glass is for sure safety glass and resistant against scratches, isn't it? Otherwise I wouldn't buy it. I'm also right to assume, that the case material is solid and thick enough to fabricate the air intake holes much more closer to each other but with a smaller profile to expose less of the interior (that will be for sure put on light).

Best regards
Tobias Topyla

P.S.: Please keep in mind ergonomy and taller humans in Europe (-: A larger glass surface is much appreciated. It should allow me to read a lying newspaper in the large broadsheet format plus a cup of coffee including the saucer while e.g. I'm waiting to load something for example...

parsec
01-04-2014, 04:22 PM
A very interesting concept, and once I consider it I realize just how difficult it is to design such a thing without the price becoming a major problem. Please keep in mind that my comments are not to criticize the concept, but what I see as the real world realities of how such a "PC case" would be truly useful as more than simply a PC case.

The object as it is now is not a desk, it is a table. A desk has multiple drawers, cabinets, book cases, etc. A PC desk has those things, and a keyboard tray. Designing a true desk around the idea of a PC located as it is in the prototype would result in a PC desk with a drawer for a PC, and be at least a $500 piece of furniture. That is not what Lian Li markets, furniture.

On the other hand, after owning a few so called PC desks, they are terrible. I won't use another since I changed to using a table. Far superior to a desk IMO. Call the product a desk if you like, but design it as a table.

Assuming it is a PC table, the table top must be larger, at least twice the size it is now. Or somehow integrate-able with a table. My table is much larger than that prototype, and I have no room to spare. I use monitor arm mounts for two monitors, so monitors are not using desktop space.

A table must have a functional top surface, otherwise it is not a table, it's a display case.

Table legs are meant to be functional, not seen, unless made from wood. Bright colors make it look like a toy or child's item. The current size of the prototype also looks like a child's desk, no business man, lawyer, etc, will be sitting behind that in his office, I guarantee you that! The monitors in the pictures are very small, what would 23" - 27" monitors look like with it?

The space for the outlet strip, etc, is a great idea, keep that if possible.

Quick access to a board's I/O panel will be very difficult to provide, I cannot see that as a major focus of the design, it will compromise to many other features, such as fan/radiator vents and intakes, or the drawer access to the PC. If a person needs constant access to the I/O panel, they need to use a USB hub or buy a few more cables so they don't need to swap them constantly.

Katanalx
01-05-2014, 03:47 AM
Dear Sirs,

I always been a fan of Lian Li cases. I always felt they were well design and beautiful but this one... looks like you turn a giant full tower and turned it side ways, with to ugly feet.
The idea (a case in a table) is excelent (I already tough of making one DIY) but is badly designed.
A 79,5 cm table is ergonomically wrong for a person like me (1,73 m). The keyboard should be at around 65 cm (source: Ergonomic Workspace Planner, Workstation Installation Tool (http://www.ergotron.com/tabid/305/language/en-US/default.aspx)). For a guy with 193 cm you should have the keyboard at 72 cm and a seat height should be at 49 cm. I think it would be impossible for the legs to fit with a 20 cm drawer (roughly from the pictures I came to a 20 cm drawer).
Your table is definitely for the enthusiast (hence the red led and the acrylic) but there is no fitting space for a wheel. Another detail is the frontal ports. It is very easy to damage the ports with the cables so exposed, especially the headphones and micro ports.
So, resuming, the table should be height should be adjustable, the drawer (or maybe should be a lid with the components in a box recessed to the end of the table) should be recessed for knee fitting and to support a wheel and the connection ports should be top mounted (maybe with a fan and volume nob - it would be nice). Some good additions would be some pre installed stuff for liquid cooling (with the pump and reservoir in the feet of the table maybe) and some height adjustment for the monitor support.
On the personal opinion side I think your table is ugly... I would fitter her in a school or office but never on my living room or home office.
Know for the good stuff: The drawer idea for easy access is awesome and super practical and the construction build is, as always, nothing short of spectacular. In terms of expand ability is impossible to do better.
Thank you for you time,

Dinis Domingos

yarseyer
01-06-2014, 05:57 AM
-I/O ports should be on top of the desktop. I think the reasons are obvious.
-Make a table top compatible with Ikea office desk options (e.g. legs, ect). This does a couple things. 1) Allows users to swap out legs for a wide range of options. 2) Allows users to integrate desktop into a larger functional office. 3) Ikea is widespread enough to be available to a wide range of audience thorough the world.

Lian Li Tech
01-06-2014, 01:28 PM
For desk space, please consider making it 60" lengthwise. Most of us who will afford this will require that working space. Please look at options using PCIE risers/extensions if need be. Silverstone's new Raven RVZ01 is a good reference, please take time to look at how they're trying things with PCIE options to work with spaces: Silverstone Raven RVZ01 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhPMe7T27Y).

Count me in as an early adopter for your new deskCase.

Thanks for the PCIE riser idea. We will look into it.

Lian Li Tech
01-06-2014, 01:35 PM
Dear Lian Li,

Thank you for the great opportunity to comment and post on the DK01 Prototype in order to pass some censure before release to the markets :smash:

My first thought was, that this is not an innovation at all as I have seen already something similar as a private case-mod on a German LAN-Party already 10 or 12 years ago. Nevertheless, it's a really good idea for a commercial product which I'd like to touch in reality.

This prototype has potential for some improvements... especially on the appearance as I personally feel it is not minimalistic and clean enough:

a) The combination of three colors at the same time doesn't work for my eyes. The silver dual screen holder has to match with the black glass and become less visible. I agree with earlier opinions, instead of red legs, I would prefer brushed aluminum or chrom-vanadium steel (at least as a more expensive option).

b) No plastic! The rubber feet is not acceptable and looks horrible cheap. It has to be entirely invisible beneath the legs. Please keep the good design element of the two rounded legs instead of typical four pillars. I really like that as it usually gives a lot of stability and is easier to mount together after delivery. However, the legs profile could be wider to make a better fit with the bold case corpus.

c) The case corpus size is odd and doesn't give me a symmetric impression. Honestly, it's the most ugly part on the entire thing. It's way to big in terms of height viewed from the front-side angle. Limit should be max. 140 mm (10 mm + FAN + 10 mm). GPU-Cards following the Industry-Standard reference design is anyway just 107 mm height. Two lying side ways 360 mm radiators is a perfect setup, don't change that but forget to support CPU coolers with 180 mm height. It's not required especially not by enthusiast running a silent water cooling system anyway.

d) Please stick to what you have wrote earlier and remove the front panel and put it on side or better at the back. I don't want to expose that this is a computer. Use monolithic design pattern and turn the Lian Li branding into just a tiny laser gravure next to power button (big letters and the nice & round green-yellow Lian Li logo under the glass next to Motherboard would be way much better). The lock is the typical lousy and easy to hack model. It doesn't make it more safety than a series of torx screws. Take it away, keep the front as clean as possible!

e) The glass is for sure safety glass and resistant against scratches, isn't it? Otherwise I wouldn't buy it. I'm also right to assume, that the case material is solid and thick enough to fabricate the air intake holes much more closer to each other but with a smaller profile to expose less of the interior (that will be for sure put on light).

Best regards
Tobias Topyla

P.S.: Please keep in mind ergonomy and taller humans in Europe (-: A larger glass surface is much appreciated. It should allow me to read a lying newspaper in the large broadsheet format plus a cup of coffee including the saucer while e.g. I'm waiting to load something for example...

Thanks Tobias for your feedback. We are looking into more color options. It seems that many people don't like the red and black. :)

We are also looking into relocating the front I/O.

The glass will surely be scratch resistant. We wouldn't want everything to be scratched up. :)

We are taking in account the " taller humans in Europe"

Lian Li Tech
01-06-2014, 01:39 PM
A very interesting concept, and once I consider it I realize just how difficult it is to design such a thing without the price becoming a major problem. Please keep in mind that my comments are not to criticize the concept, but what I see as the real world realities of how such a "PC case" would be truly useful as more than simply a PC case.

The object as it is now is not a desk, it is a table. A desk has multiple drawers, cabinets, book cases, etc. A PC desk has those things, and a keyboard tray. Designing a true desk around the idea of a PC located as it is in the prototype would result in a PC desk with a drawer for a PC, and be at least a $500 piece of furniture. That is not what Lian Li markets, furniture.

On the other hand, after owning a few so called PC desks, they are terrible. I won't use another since I changed to using a table. Far superior to a desk IMO. Call the product a desk if you like, but design it as a table.

Assuming it is a PC table, the table top must be larger, at least twice the size it is now. Or somehow integrate-able with a table. My table is much larger than that prototype, and I have no room to spare. I use monitor arm mounts for two monitors, so monitors are not using desktop space.

A table must have a functional top surface, otherwise it is not a table, it's a display case.

Table legs are meant to be functional, not seen, unless made from wood. Bright colors make it look like a toy or child's item. The current size of the prototype also looks like a child's desk, no business man, lawyer, etc, will be sitting behind that in his office, I guarantee you that! The monitors in the pictures are very small, what would 23" - 27" monitors look like with it?

The space for the outlet strip, etc, is a great idea, keep that if possible.

Quick access to a board's I/O panel will be very difficult to provide, I cannot see that as a major focus of the design, it will compromise to many other features, such as fan/radiator vents and intakes, or the drawer access to the PC. If a person needs constant access to the I/O panel, they need to use a USB hub or buy a few more cables so they don't need to swap them constantly.

Yes, perhaps you are right that it might be better categorized as a table rather than a desk. We are looking into changing the outer aesthics due to the current feedback.

Thanks a lot for sharing.

bigmahlman
01-15-2014, 02:50 PM
Registered just to give a little input!
I feel like you are trying to make this a server Chassis rather than a desktop case.

Having a keyboard and mouse on top of the desk covering up the desk is shame. Not only that but a mouse is not going to work on the glass unless you have a mousepad. Maybe it should have a pull out of sorts for keyboard and mouse. You could even have some cable routing to the back so it looks super clean! If not then make a windowless version. Also I feel like with the depth of the case it may be weird to sit at.

I would also love to see room for at least 2 5.25 inch drives. Some people still use optical drives and one of the most popular water cooling kits on the market uses a dual 5.25 inch setup. I would buy this thing day of release if it had a keyboard and mouse tray and the 5.25 inch bays.

After looking at some of the pictures some more I agree with some other post that the power button should be on the back, but keep at least two usb ports on the front.

Support for E-atx is not necessary! If you are going to add a keyboard tray you can probably take four inches of the depth of the inside if you don't support eatx. To compensate for taking of some of the depth make the desk a little bit wider. Just have enough room for lets say a 300mm graphics card.

Rather than a slide out tray could you just make the top pop up like the hood of a car.

The lack of cable routing is disturbing. Maybe move the power supply into the bay on the back this will free up room for more hard drives if you and the 5.25 bays.

My ideal setup would be something like a ATX motherboard with single or dual video cards a XSPC Raystorm 750 EX240 Watercooling Kit with an extra 240mm rad for the video card. (so that would take up both of the side fans) speaking of the side fans how do they exhaust it seems like they would just blow back into the case? Enough room for 4 3.5 inch drives should be enough for most people.

I can draw up a diagram if anyone is interested in my vision of this desk. Just let me know.

Lian Li Tech
01-21-2014, 04:30 PM
Registered just to give a little input!
I feel like you are trying to make this a server Chassis rather than a desktop case.

Having a keyboard and mouse on top of the desk covering up the desk is shame. Not only that but a mouse is not going to work on the glass unless you have a mousepad. Maybe it should have a pull out of sorts for keyboard and mouse. You could even have some cable routing to the back so it looks super clean! If not then make a windowless version. Also I feel like with the depth of the case it may be weird to sit at.

I would also love to see room for at least 2 5.25 inch drives. Some people still use optical drives and one of the most popular water cooling kits on the market uses a dual 5.25 inch setup. I would buy this thing day of release if it had a keyboard and mouse tray and the 5.25 inch bays.

After looking at some of the pictures some more I agree with some other post that the power button should be on the back, but keep at least two usb ports on the front.

Support for E-atx is not necessary! If you are going to add a keyboard tray you can probably take four inches of the depth of the inside if you don't support eatx. To compensate for taking of some of the depth make the desk a little bit wider. Just have enough room for lets say a 300mm graphics card.

Rather than a slide out tray could you just make the top pop up like the hood of a car.

The lack of cable routing is disturbing. Maybe move the power supply into the bay on the back this will free up room for more hard drives if you and the 5.25 bays.

My ideal setup would be something like a ATX motherboard with single or dual video cards a XSPC Raystorm 750 EX240 Watercooling Kit with an extra 240mm rad for the video card. (so that would take up both of the side fans) speaking of the side fans how do they exhaust it seems like they would just blow back into the case? Enough room for 4 3.5 inch drives should be enough for most people.

I can draw up a diagram if anyone is interested in my vision of this desk. Just let me know.

Thanks for signing up to share your thoughts. The keyboard and mouse tray, as well as the 5.25 inch bays, are some of the things we'll have to consider. Thanks to your detailed descriptions, no diagram is necessary, but we do appreciate you offering :)

lowguppy
01-27-2014, 09:34 PM
I love this concept. I've been working on some custom glass-topped PC designs myself recently. My own thoughts on a built-in PC Desk always seem to lead to partnering with a third party desk maker. That way the PC Chassis would be a modular part that the user can add to a customizable desk setup.

If it is going to be a stand-alone product, there are a few requirements. To be functional it needs to be height-adjustable and have a pull-out keyboard tray. It should also have a slot-loading optical drive either on the front or towards the front of one of the sides. A second 5.25 slot for future optical technology is probably a good idea too.

I am generally a fan of mini-ITX systems with a PCI-E riser for single GPU systems, but that's really a different product from what is pictured here.

Some call this system overkill, but I generally agree that if you're going to go full height, go for max compatibility and expansion options. If you're buying a piece of furniture to put a PC in, you want it to be capable of housing not just your current system, but future upgrades as well.

Cable Management could be a concern. None of those pics show power connected to the GPU, MoBo or any storage. I can't tell if there is even clearance to connect power the GPU. I can't give any concrete suggestions, but I'm sure that if you try to actually fill all of those drive slots the problems (and hopefully solutions) will become apparent.

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this.

destaccado
02-08-2014, 01:42 PM
You guys should do a limited re-release of the F1! I never had the money to buy one back then.

bigmahlman
02-18-2014, 09:50 AM
Any news on an updated prototype?

Lian Li Tech
02-18-2014, 10:11 AM
Any news on an updated prototype?

Still working on it. ;)

DatGameh
04-24-2014, 11:32 PM
As much as this chassis is awesome, Can you please make the chassis on a good budget? No more than $300 or somethin? I mean, it is "just" an aluminium box supported by two legs. No components like eletronics yet.

I mean, many people want this case, but they can't afford it. And so far, this is one of the only cases that I saw, that was not too big, and not to complex either. And from it's looks and components (And the fact that it is very sturdy), it would come in a high price, am I right? But for other versions, can you change that a bit, adding or replacing some parts with cheaper ones. I would be really thankfull if that were to happen!