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Anonymous
02-02-2002, 08:55 AM
I'll get the ball rolling, as requested by Beefy.

Australia's treatment of asylum seekers has sparked protests at home and debate abroad. What's your say?

I think these people in the detention centres should watch what they are saying and stop their complaining. Australia has accepted them into our country from the countries they are fleeing from, and what thanks do we get? Yes us, our tax money is feeding them and clothing them.

Have your say!

Wiggo
02-02-2002, 08:58 AM
Quite frankly I think they should be put on the 1st plane back to where they come from as soon as they get here. <img src="http://members.optushome.com.au/wiggo100/Mad_anim.gif">
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izzfizz
02-02-2002, 08:59 AM
this subject just a bit to hard 4 me this early in the morning:yawn: :sleepy: :zzz:

Bahamut Zer0
02-02-2002, 09:05 AM
Im with Wiggo.

Andy
02-02-2002, 09:24 AM
i'm with wiggo too

we take refuge here, then they expect us to give them visas straight away, and when it takes a bit of time, they torch some of the buildings and start riots etc..

Slamo
02-02-2002, 05:13 PM
You got me started now, I have a very strong opinion on assylum seekers:

FIRST OF ALL THEY COME TO OUR COUNTRY AND START BURNING THE PLACE, DO WE GO TO THEIR COUNTRY AND BURN DOWN ALL THEIR BUILDINGS? NO (well, bombing is different). THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS PUT THEM BACK ON THE BOAT THEY CAME HERE ON AND WELD THEIR RUDDER SO THEY CAN'T TURN AROUND, GIVE THEM ENOUGH PETROL TO GET HOME AND SEND THEM BACK TO SEE, AND IF THEIR BOAT ALREADY SANK, WELL, DROWN THE ****ERS!


THEY ARE ALL GOING ON HUNGER STRIKES, NOT A PROBLEM TO ME, LET THEM STARVE, DON'T EVEN ACNOLOGE THEM. IF THEY STITCH THEIR LIPS SHUT, WE SHOULD HELP THEM, PUT A FEW MORE STITCHES THROUGH SO THEY CAN TRULY STARVE. LESS AFGHANS = LESS TAXPAYERS MONEY. THEY THINK THEY ARE LIVING IN HELL BUT THEY ARE LIVING IN LUXURY COMPARED TO THE AFGHANS BACK IN AFGHANLAND OR WHEREVER THEY COME FROM SO GO HOME MOTHER****ERS, COUNTRIES FULL!!!!

well thats what i think anyway :snip: :snip: :snip:

Albinus
02-02-2002, 05:32 PM
Bravo Slamo, bravo!!! :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce:

Anonymous
02-02-2002, 05:35 PM
Yes, well said Slamo. We have enough of our problems in Australia as it is.

Bye Bye Afgans! :wave:

Kay
02-02-2002, 07:14 PM
don't forget Australia is a land of limited water resources, although a big continent a lot of it is desert, although it seems harsh, refugees flooding into Australia is not viable. Controlled immigration is the only way to go :kay:

Anonymous
02-02-2002, 07:18 PM
Quite true Kay. Let's sort outselves out first then start looking after the rest!

Albinus
02-02-2002, 07:25 PM
Instead of giving all this $$$ to overseas countries how about looking after Australians first? 6.9% of the Australian workforce is unemployed, how about more money for jobs? What about our f&%ked health system? And our crappy military equipment? Just to name a few :flames:

Mr. C
02-02-2002, 08:41 PM
I've been hearing a bit about this topic through NPR.
The US has the same problems to a large extent.

I really have mixed feelings on the topic - as far as it concerns the USA.
On 1 hand I feel like you guys do about it.
On the other, America is supposed to be the "big melting pot" a place for everyone.

The plaque on the Statue of liberty reads;

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost, to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”


I think that is a pretty awesome statement. A corner-stone of American ideals.

But yes, it does get old. Bunch of foreigners taking up resources that should go to citizens (after all, citizens need things too).
But how can we claim to still be America - "The land of milk and honey" - without acting upon this basic principle?

I don't know, like I said, I have very mixed feelings on the topic.

This country spends a lot of tax dollars, in addition to a lot of private donations to feed people in 3rd world countries.
Why??
The climate/ecology there won't allow them to grow enough to feed themselves anyway.
Wouldn't it serve everyone's best interest to just bring 80% of their population here, and allow their country to try to make progress at a managable population level?

Yeah right! That's just what we need --- 30 million Ethiopians with a free ride! Like we haven't got enough problems.

So what are we going to do??
Why is the clear moral issue always rubbing up against the financial?
I have no real answers:(

Perhaps another generation will prove themselves to be wiser, I hope so.

Dlab'sDaughter
02-03-2002, 09:45 AM
I think that the stupid turds should stop whining. perhaps you can tow them all down to antartica. ( hmmmm, there's an idea!) as I discovered from my reseach, Austrailia is is almost the same as America in the melting pot matter. Slamo, the Afgans are from Afganistan. stan- land, place. Exmple The land of the Afgans is Afganistan. I think the reason they are being that way is ( read it all before you have a cow!!) because they expected life over there to be different then home. ( Afganistan)

Wiggo
02-03-2002, 11:55 AM
Well it's different there now so let's ship them back. <img src="http://members.optushome.com.au/wiggo100/animation1.gif">
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Wiggo's-sister
02-03-2002, 02:54 PM
I whole heartedly agree to sending them back, they seem to take so much for granted.

We have fed, clothed and given them shelter as well as cared for their sick.

They expect so much and offer little in return.

Maybe these people should look at how they would treat us if the situation was put in reverse and then see how much they are asking of our country!!!! :angry con

Bern
02-03-2002, 03:09 PM
I don't want to get into a mas debate about if they should be allowed to stay or not, but, I have a problem with keeping them in concentration camps.....no other country in the western world sees a need for them, and they all have the same problem to some degree.

Albinus
02-03-2002, 03:37 PM
I don't want to get into a mas debate about if they should be allowed to stay or not, but, I have a problem with keeping them in concentration camps.....no other country in the western world sees a need for them, and they all have the same problem to some degree.


You know the problem they have in Britain? No detention centres, once they arrive they disappear into society never to be seen again - and there are plenty of arseholes in the community who harbour these ILLEGAL immigrants :shoot3:

Wiggo's-sister
02-03-2002, 03:45 PM
I second that one. If we dont put them in these camps how will we be able to keep track of their whereabouts?

The would just disappear into the night, never to be seen again

Kay
02-03-2002, 04:55 PM
If we don't put them in camps how about paying for their airfare back to their home country............probably be cheaper in the long run.........and give them priority on legal immigration through the proper channels:kay:

Wiggo's-sister
02-03-2002, 04:59 PM
Either way it's still going to cost us!!! :very angr

Slamo
02-03-2002, 05:02 PM
if we shoot them all it won't cost us much at all :D

Wiggo's-sister
02-03-2002, 05:04 PM
No, I cant say I agree with that one at all

Kay
02-03-2002, 05:40 PM
They made it here so they can wait til they are processed to become legal immigrants now

Andy
02-03-2002, 06:32 PM
They made it here so they can wait til they are processed to become legal immigrants now

and they are being impatient

Kay
02-03-2002, 06:39 PM
They may be in detention, but at least they are alive, have medicine, food and water, kicking up a stink is not giving us "Aussies" a good impression at all :hmph:

Anonymous
02-03-2002, 06:52 PM
They may be in detention, but at least they are alive, have medicine, food and water, kicking up a stink is not giving us "Aussies" a good impression at all :hmph:

Very well said Kay. Now for these people, STFU! :hmph: :hmph:

Wiggo's-sister
02-03-2002, 07:39 PM
It appears 95% of us feel the same about this discussion

Kay
02-03-2002, 07:46 PM
I have no problems with immigration, after all 99% of us are descended from immigrants........ just that ppl who come into our country, expecting to force their way in by threats and violence are not the ones I want to see disrupting our way of life.........take for instance England, a melting pot if ever there was one......... look at the violence there now :(

Mr. C
02-03-2002, 09:55 PM
If we don't put them in camps how about paying for their airfare back to their home country............probably be cheaper in the long run.........and give them priority on legal immigration through the proper channels:kay:

Do you have a functional embassy in Afghanistan?
The US one is toast.

Wiggo
02-04-2002, 06:17 AM
Just sedate them, chain them in a plane or two and get them the F#&K back where there came from as it will be cheaper in the long run. <img src="http://members.optushome.com.au/wiggo100/saburn.gif">
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Anonymous
02-04-2002, 09:39 AM
I agree with what everyone is saying. We should fix up our problems, then start taking care of others.

Albinus
02-04-2002, 10:09 AM
Do you have a functional embassy in Afghanistan?
The US one is toast.


Since the fall of the Taliban, Australia's Afghani embassy is based in Pakistan - when the situation settles down we'll probably open one again in Kabul :toung:

Andy
02-04-2002, 01:17 PM
It appears 95% of us feel the same about this discussion

oh, sounds like this is going to be a good debate :rolleyes: :rolleyes2

Kay
02-04-2002, 03:46 PM
Well us Aussies are on the negative side........we are just waiting for the rest of the world to object ;)

Wiggo's-sister
02-04-2002, 03:55 PM
I think they already are objecting

Kay
02-04-2002, 03:58 PM
Tough if they want em.......they can have em :(

Wiggo's-sister
02-04-2002, 04:00 PM
If they're paying for their transport it will be even better!!!

Wiggo
02-05-2002, 06:17 AM
In that case they can have them twice as fast. <img src="http://members.optushome.com.au/wiggo100/008.gif">
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Albinus
02-05-2002, 04:13 PM
Great news!!! There's a Category 4 Cyclone packing winds of 260KM/h headed (almost) straight for the Port Headland Detention Centre..... my thoughts go out to those poor residents battening down, but let's hope those thugs get blown away :shoot3: :flames: :clap:

Wiggo's-sister
02-05-2002, 04:59 PM
They will survive, just to make us pay that little bit more :uhh:

Albinus
02-05-2002, 05:25 PM
They will survive, just to make us pay that little bit more :uhh:


*******s!!!


And I bet they're the first to get evacuated as well :hmph:

Albinus
02-05-2002, 05:39 PM
Here's an update on the situation:

Wiggo's-sister
02-05-2002, 05:48 PM
Oh, oh, look!!! they named it after lil old me!!!

It's getting closer to them :flames:

Albinus
02-05-2002, 05:50 PM
Run refo's, she means business!!! :flames:

brashquido
02-05-2002, 06:21 PM
Although I don't agree with what the refugees are doing. Bitting the hand that feeds them is an act that is going to get them offside with most Australians. Australians take their freedom for granted, and I reckon all we see is these queue jumpers coming into the contry illegally. We don't stop to think why they are coming here.

Just think for a minute, these families are leaving their homes and everything they know to travel halfway around the world in hope of finding a better life (such as we take for granted), only to find themselves imprisoned in these detention camps for up to 2 years. Can you honestly imagine your dad gathering your family up to escape unliveable conditions where half your family and friends have been killed, to travel halfway around the world only to be imprisioned for this amount of time?!? If I was in their position, I reckon I'd be going crazy too! I saw a news article the other night where a young girl had lost her entire family either through fighting back home, or in the journey over here. Are you honestly going to tell someone like this to go back where she came from?

The problem is not the refugees, it 's our governments lack of knack in dealing with them properly. It would have been a lot wiser if little weasle John Howard had spent the 10's of millions of dollars he spent in increasing the patrols in developing a better way to deal with the problem.

Just my 2 cents...

Albinus
02-05-2002, 06:26 PM
My main beef is the changing definition of "asylum seeker". Back in the 1970's, the boat people fleeing Vietnam arrived here because some fisherman was prepared to fill his boat with people to flee communism. But these people pay big $$$ to get to Australia, often as much as A$10,000. Then they act like poor refugees - they are just queuejumpers. If you want to come here - spend the $10,000 to come here legally :hmph:

Wiggo
02-06-2002, 03:54 AM
[b]Just think for a minute, these families are leaving their homes and everything they know to travel halfway around the world in hope of finding a better life (such as we take for granted), only to find themselves imprisoned in these detention camps for up to 2 years. Can you honestly imagine your dad gathering your family up to escape unliveable conditions where half your family and friends have been killed, to travel halfway around the world only to be imprisioned for this amount of time?!? If I was in their position, I reckon I'd be going crazy too! I saw a news article the other night where a young girl had lost her entire family either through fighting back home, or in the journey over here. Are you honestly going to tell someone like this to go back where she came from?
Yes I would in all honesty as most of these ppl bring the problem that they say that they're escaping with them and there are several communitees around Australia where these ppl have settled that are suffering because of it. :mad:

[b]The problem is not the refugees, it 's our governments lack of knack in dealing with them properly. It would have been a lot wiser if little weasle John Howard had spent the 10's of millions of dollars he spent in increasing the patrols in developing a better way to deal with the problem.
Yep I agree. It should be "See that plane you ppl? Get on it as ya goin' straight back." <img src="http://members.optushome.com.au/wiggo100/fal.gif">
I have absolutely no time or sympathy for ppl who try and force themselves on to others and hopefully what's goin' on atm will act as a deterent to others with the same thought in mind. <img src="http://members.optushome.com.au/wiggo100/madfire.gif">
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brashquido
02-06-2002, 06:26 AM
Wiggo, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you hold a very redneck view. Which is your prerogative, so I'm not having a go at you. Unfortunately, it seems a fair percentage of Australia have a similar view, which I find very scary and almost embarrassing to be a citizen of a country that holds such narrow views on such important international issues. The idea that people would rather turn these people away to face almost certain death instead of lending a hand I reckon is a bit ****ed.

Simply put, desperate people do desperate things. I am NOT saying open the flood gates and let them all in. What I am saying is instead of pumping all of those 10's of millions of dollars into trying to catch them before they get here. Some of it should be spent on finding a better, and more humane way of dealing with the one that are here.

Kay
02-06-2002, 06:50 AM
I think you will find the majority of Aussies don't care where immigrants come from, the problem here seems to be the fact that the illegal immigrants seem to take for granted they don't have to follow any proceedures once they make it to our shores, just because they have paid a sum of money to a sleasy fishboat owner to escape to Australia doesn't mean they automatically have the right to Australian citizenship, they brought ILLEGAL passage, they have not brought entry into our country, should we just say tsk tsk and let them go? What sort of invitation would that lead other ppl to think? That as long as they reach our shores they are home and hosed? Where do we fit them all? Do we stop legal immigration to be able to handle the influx of illegal immigrants? We wont be able to handle the numbers that would come anyway. Its a tough problem and no matter how it is resolved there wont be satisfied ppl.:kay:

brashquido
02-06-2002, 07:22 AM
Hi Kay,

I agree with everything you say. However, I think there are a lot of people aren't distinguishing between a true refugee, and queue hopping pieces of crap, and seem to be putting all of them in the a queue-hopping piece of crap basket. A true refugee being a person fleeing their country for fear of their life, and have a genuine need for help from the international community (which we’re meant to be a part of). A queue-hopping piece of crap being a person who simply doesn’t feel they should have to go through the rig moral of following procedure like the rest of us.

We need more resources to actually distinguish the two before even considering granting refugee status. That’s why John Howard’s decision to spend a truckload of our money on increasing patrols really pisses me off. While a lack of patrols is part of the problem, it isn’t the whole problem. His solution is very short sighted and is doing nothing to improve what’s at the core of the problem in Australia, which is what do we do with them once they get here. Anyone who says, “send ‘em back where they came from” is not looking at the real problem, or a redneck, or is sticking their head in the sand. I think it is our responsibility as a member of an international community to find a REAL solution to the problem.

Kay
02-06-2002, 08:08 AM
G'day brashquido

You have hit the nail on the head...........money fullstop, money needed for domestic purposes being redirected into this............where does the "buck" stop:?:

Anonymous
02-06-2002, 02:27 PM
Fix up our own backyard before helping O/S