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C_deck
04-10-2003, 05:18 PM
I didnt know where this one would fit.

Here some boys having a bad hair day. The big m$ thumb hurts.I dunno, looks like they wont be around long enough to fix the os.

http://www.lindows.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php

Wiggo
04-10-2003, 08:10 PM
Lindows = Linux so it's over to that forum. :beer:

asklepios
04-10-2003, 09:18 PM
btw what is the lawsuit based on...:?:
i mean aren't windows and lindows two different words? :confused:

Wiggo
04-10-2003, 09:36 PM
Not accordin' to M$ they're not. :hmph:

asklepios
04-10-2003, 10:00 PM
these things make them lose those suits they've been losing lately :hmph:

Wiggo
04-10-2003, 10:08 PM
The thing is that M$ as usual will just keep appealin' until they either ultimately loose (and even then they seem to win) or, as in nearly all cases, the smaller company runs out of money. :angryfire

asklepios
04-10-2003, 10:21 PM
That seems to be their strategy. They want to give some job to their Legal advisors.
In this case too the company would have been gone even before they could have started the fight. Fortunately they won that insurance suit. Damn M$ strategies :shoot:

Wiggo
04-10-2003, 10:30 PM
Yes my friend but ulimately $'s speak the loudest. :cry:

C_deck
04-11-2003, 12:31 AM
I hope lindows does survive. it is going to hurt having their own insurance company sue then at the same time. m$ arms reach across the nation. this tactic has drained the resources of that little company. its sad cuz they cant afford to support their own product.

on a brighter note. i feel there m$ will be reduced to a shell of its former self within 5 years. their office xp tactics and mrd software have incited gov's around the world to use linux and openoffice.

asklepios
04-11-2003, 02:50 AM
it was nice to see that in Lindows case that they will get monetary help from their insurance company now.
i also heard that companies like IBM and HP are promoting Linux and other open source softwares by pre-installing them on their machines.
if i heard it right then may be it is beginning of a new trend.

C_deck
04-11-2003, 03:35 AM
i read that ibm has budgeted 1.2 billion to educate us users of the benifits of linux. over how many years, i dunno, the article didnt say (my guess is 5 years).

the trend has begun. i am too lazy to setup new comps with linux and the standard software for peeps. maybe if i look into it now, i'll find that it is easier.

the trend is against m$, that is for sure.

0R1()N
05-01-2003, 03:44 PM
I can tell you this...before windows is beaten down to a pulp..more suits will fly than a mens warehouse e.g. suitstore in a tornado...lol I have been wondering what lindows is? all i know is that its windows with linux style or linxues kernal...I think its great whoever made it that they cracked the windows omega code...rofls...and put linux in there...I'd better go and get a copy of this before windows assimilates this too. But maybee windows will loose this time.:hammer: :clap:

Bern
05-06-2003, 06:23 PM
Windows® is an MS trademark, think about that next time your gazing out of a transparent viewing panel.

C_deck
05-06-2003, 10:58 PM
Bern , you must be a programmer working for microsoft. ya can't spell Lindows.

asklepios
05-07-2003, 01:30 AM
i think he wanted to say Windows only...cos lindows is not a trademark of MS.
imo you got it wrong C_deck ;)

C_deck
05-07-2003, 02:39 AM
my apologies, i will try harder to be good here.

asklepios
05-07-2003, 03:31 AM
no worries...i don't think he would mind small things like that :cheers:

0R1()N
05-07-2003, 12:35 PM
I guess I am supposed to be afraid now of the windowz name or is that winblows? or oh whatever I really think they should name it massivesoft and jail-cells insted of microcrap windows....lol and what do you mean gazing out of a transparent viewing panel? ...my monitor?

C_deck
05-07-2003, 06:09 PM
HP and Microsoft appear to be merging. What do you think guys? Could be they are a tad worried about radical Lindows users and those anarchist manucturers like IBM.

i need help cuz windows calculator keeps crashing. is crap + crap still crap.

asklepios
05-08-2003, 02:57 AM
i need help cuz windows calculator keeps crashing. is crap + crap still crap.

it sure is :laugh:

about HP and MS joining hands...well that doesn't sound too gud to me. though IBM will keep kicking them where it hurts by giving linux as an OS on its machines but in anycase we can't deny that MS + HP = something big (if that is true ofcourse).

C_deck
05-09-2003, 02:17 AM
I respected both companies at one time but not anymore. Microsoft and HP will never blow away. All we can do for our part is to ensure fair competition by buying the smaller guys products.

Unfortunately, M$ will be around until we can develop a quantum torpedo to take Billy's corp out cleanly, and be environmentally safe in doing so.

Frost
05-27-2003, 12:00 PM
Well, I am not one to judge. I like MS Windows and at the same time I hate it. I don't fault them for making money. ALL companies have to do that or cease to exist. MS has provided a platform for millions of users of computers world wide, and have brought home computing to new levels. Between them and Apple, they have opend the provervial doors of other software makers to create a general public goods and services. If there were no Microsoft, there would probably be no tweaktown.

Not saying tweaktown cannot run on a Linux Red Hat server with Appache software.. probably does. However, the main crux of why Tweaktown is, is their insights and "tweaks" into different settings of your computer. The games are written for Windows XP. There is a lot of video cards, manufacutred to go along with those games.. Motherboard manufactures build and design to enhance the gamming community.

If there had been no Microsoft.. ponder what would be in place at this very moment in time. One change in history, sure can cause a lot of different outcomes years later.

BTW.. I have Mandrake 9.0 on my computer, and my wife and daughters.. we multiboot. We like it fine, but do 99% of what we do in Windows.

minibubba
05-27-2003, 12:22 PM
Lindows is just another linux distro right?

what's so special about it?

zeradul
05-28-2003, 02:58 AM
Yup, thats right, nothing Special about it.

And I must say that I am shocked by the amount of BS non-sense going on in this thread.

1.) MS IS NOT BUYING HP

2.) HP and IBM are NOT promoting Linux to the average home computer user.

3.) The Tide is NOT turning towards Linux in the home PC market.

4.) MS is NOT going to be a shell of itself in 5 years.

5.) Microsoft is RIGHT to go after 'lindows' because it is a clear pun of their corporate name. Lindows isn't a word, it is blatently a combination of Linux and Windows. Any company would go after another company for a ploy on their name, ESPECIALLY if the other company is making similar products. (OS's in this case) And the very correct reasoning is that people might assume that this is Microsoft's version of Linux, in which case, Lindows would be gaining unfair publicity.

Would it be fair for a Japanese car company to start selling cars and trucks under the name "Fords" ? No, absolutly not, and FORD would be able to take legal action against them.

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The computer world would be a very pathetic place had MS not come to be in the early 80's. MS has been instrumental in convinceing all these random computer companies to adopt STANDARDS. Some of the standards were even designed by MS at no direct profit. If every PC company was as ignorant as Apple, we would have a world of 10 PC brands, each one as different as PC and Macs were in 1990. AND THEY WERE DIFFERENT. Macs have since given in to the capitalistic pressure (by simply needing to stay in business) and are now basically a PC company with their own OS and processor.

My point is that Microsoft has done an unmeasureable amount of good that is unseen by you and 99+% of the public. The web would be NOTHING like it is, without MS's help.

EVEN IN 1985, IBM, the Supreme computer power of the world, STILL THOUGHT that PC's were a FAD, and that 5 Million Dollars was WAY TOO MUCH to pay for Microsoft. The biggest financial blunder of the century, coming from the foremost expert in the field, at the time

WIRED Magazine (12$ per year-I highly reccommend) recently had their 10 year anniversary.... They did a special edition of their magazine which included a 10 year timeline with famous quotes that either were horribly wrong, or dead on. Bill Gates was the only guy quoted multiple times who was EXACTLY on target with ALL his predictions. It is no fluke this guy dominates the market.

minibubba
05-28-2003, 04:44 AM
2.) HP and IBM are NOT promoting Linux to the average home computer user.

3.) The Tide is NOT turning towards Linux in the home PC market.



IBM might not be putting linux on their home PCs, but it is going on the servers

MILLIONS of people have switched completely, or at least started using linux in just the past couple years, the number of people that switch every year is stagering

M$ has done some good, but they have also done things that they should be condemed for

Frost
05-28-2003, 07:34 AM
Zeradul is pretty much right on the money. I am sure there are some things Microsoft could have done a little more diplomatically at the time, but did not. Just like I'm sure that people that buy the software DVD2ONE or DVD95COPY to trancode decrypted DVD movies on t heir hard drive to a format suitable for burning onto dVD,... actually don't own all the movies they copy, but rather rent or get them from friends.

AMD and Intel are creating processors , chipset manufacturers are designing new North and South Bridges, Video card manufactures are creating new GPU's, and internal DVD and CD RW drives are being created... to be within compaibilites of Windows. Linux sometimes has to scratch around and rebuild kernels or write scripts that support some of these newere changes in hardware. Not knocking Linux, it's just the first and foremost thought in Nvidia, AMD, Intel, ATI, Creative, etc etc's mind was probably Windows or Microsfoft and yes.. let's also build some code for Linux and SCO Unix and Novell when we get done.

I believe, one of the very reasons that make Linux so powerful, may also be their achilles heel. It's thier files system and mounting process. Linux is a great and powerful operating system very powerful and very hard to crack for hackers, viruses, etc.. but, it is fragile.

Our SCO UNIX servers, where I work, are constantly attached to APS battery backups and are instructed that in the event of a loss of regular power for more than 7 seconds, that they will go through their "shut down" proceedure. Period.

My 9 year old daughter is learning after I had to re-install her Linux on her computer .. again, that you simply cannot just "Push the off button" to get out of Linux. You must start the process of unloading all things necessary before the computer can power down. In the event of a lightning storm and power outages, Linux is more prone to data loss, and file corruption than is Windows. You can just shut down the power on the Windows OS, but it is not too wise on the Linux OS.

That is their weakness. For the computer to come loaded for Linux for a home user that may have never been too much exposed to a computer before, the chances are greater that the computer will be subject to sudden power loss....either voluntarilly or involuntarilly. ;) Also, the "familiarity" with the Linux system from those that use Windows may seem pretty obtrusive as well.

just my 2 cents worth..:2cents:

C_deck
05-28-2003, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by zeradul
Yup, thats right, nothing Special about it.
And I must say that I am shocked by the amount of BS non-sense going on in this thread.




1.) MS IS NOT BUYING HP . --- No one said anything about a buy.

2.) HP and IBM are NOT promoting Linux to the average home computer user. --- Oh?? yes IBM will be

3.) The Tide is NOT turning towards Linux in the home PC market. --- Oh, maybe not in USA but check out what is happening in the rest of the world.

4.) MS is NOT going to be a shell of itself in 5 years. --- Lets see, how many losing divisions supported by two profitable divisions and the competition is giving theirs away free. tit-for-tat

5.) Microsoft is RIGHT to go after 'lindows' because it is a clear pun of their corporate name. ---- Windows name is not solely MS's. Do you think MS invented it?

The computer world would be a very pathetic place had MS not come to be in the early 80's. --- I guess that MIT professor back in 1981 was wrong was he when his report stated that IBM and Micro os would set the industry back 15-20 years??

My point is that Microsoft has done an unmeasureable amount of good that is unseen by you and 99+% of the public. --- Maybe they did at one time but 18 years to come up with a functioning os is ridiculous. Windows is a house of cards for an upgrade price of $450 CDN and an additional $200/annum for JohnQ to maintain it from the local computer shop. How much does a corporation pay per MS station?

The web would be NOTHING like it is, without MS's help... --- I remember MS being a late comer into the web and was well in motion before MS's involvement. The web would have evolved to its current state, with or without IE. What makes you think that it would not have?


These are the current trends. Believe what you will.Answer me this, if windows is so great, why did mr. bill license the unix kernel?

Frost
05-28-2003, 07:20 PM
Windows IS a registered trademark name belonging to Microsoft Corporation. Look closely at the Windows end some time just before the 98 or the ME or the XP etc. I work for a winery in Michigan and we just sent off for registration of the name "Lakeshore" as in protecting our name of Lakeshore Sunset, Lakeshore Red and Lakeshore White. We definetly did not invent a lakeshore. There was a grape developed at Cornell in New York and named by them recently as "Abundance" they sent out letters to all stating DO NOT USE this name "Abundance" as there is a vineyard in California with that name that have sued for stopping the use of this grape's name as association with their vineyard's name.

" I guess that MIT professor back in 1981 was wrong was he when his report stated that IBM and Micro os would set the industry back 15-20 years??".... Yes he was wrong.

"Maybe they did at one time but 18 years to come up with a functioning os is ridiculous. Windows is a house of cards for an upgrade price of $450 CDN and an additional $200/annum for JohnQ to maintain it from the local computer shop. How much does a corporation pay per MS station? " Our winery went to Windows XP on 7 of it's computers. Cost was under $700.00 We have not had to pay for any extras for additional licensing. However, we also run 2 UNIX servers and paid in the neighboorhood of $7,000 for that license. Updates were quite expensive.

"The web would have evolved to its current state, with or without IE. What makes you think that it would not have?" .... Well, the web at the time of development was expanding without much fanfare in the way of Windows and their graphical User Interface. Websites have developed, using Java (SUN Microsystem) some virtual machine (Microsoft) and a lot of different Linux software. But, the spark was the interest of the general public in the ease of connecting to, ease of using, and ease of understanding their computer "ways" without learning command line prompts. Linux has their Xwindows system that provides a GUI and works quite well. I'm not saying that the web would not develop, I just belive, that with the ease of the MS operating system, their web developments, their user enhancements with video, audio, etc. that the current web would not be as well "expanded" as it currently is.


:2cents:

C_deck
05-28-2003, 09:46 PM
MS has hammered the windows name in court before and lost. why doesn't MS go after the hundreds of apps beginning with windows?

the only way you could have purchased win xp for $100 US each was home oem versions. if you read the ms oem license, you should not have been able to do it. win xp pro is $450 cdn or about $300 US for a legal upgrade on an existing comp.

recently, a canadian telephone company replaced hundreds of MS servers with four servers and let go five hundred network peeps. i worked for a company in 1980 who had 4,000 terminals connected to a mainframe. what is the current trend over twenty years later? do you remember the development curve between 1975 through to 1985? what happened to it? do you remember using ms dos from 1981 to 1995? that prof was damn close don't you think?

i remember a bill gates 1993?? interview where he was talking about the www trend and he said that he wanted MS to be “part of the unfolding trend of the www”. i cannot possibly see where anyone can claim that MS has molded the current www. we can thank that kid who created netscape more than ms. it wasn't MS's gui that sparked the public's interest but the lower cost of more powerful comps. there have been shells around for over twenty years that would have eased the public's burden from the os. a gui is simply a shell based on high school vector geometry and was placed on comps with more performance than was previously possible. the gui was around before MS was a broken condom and it is not rocket science.

MS is simply a marketing company whose monopolistic practices are stiffulling development. i see very little in their os that hasn't been done before and done better. why did MS license the unix kernel? mr. bill can see the trend.

the only current advantage MS has now is gaming capability. europe appears serious about dumping ms. maybe they will address the issue or maybe apple will. i do know one thing, nearly everyone is tired of security holes and randomly crashing comps.

asklepios
05-28-2003, 11:01 PM
3.) The Tide is NOT turning towards Linux in the home PC market.

4.) MS is NOT going to be a shell of itself in 5 years.


if i remember correctly one part of US government or may be some US state is changing its complete official set up over to linux just cos they are pissed off with M$...but i could be wrong...:?:

C_deck
05-29-2003, 03:47 AM
i just received this email today. the lindows fellow is correct in his brief assessment of MS. i have been in the business nearly 30 years and i have followed it all.
http://www.lindows.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php

What about MS licensing the unix kernel? regarding the sco/ibm lawsuit (in case you never heard) which is an attempt to squash linux and is on the surface, another attempt by MS to kill linux.
please read http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html specifically http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html#id2791554 which has information beyond the scope of a forum post.

for those of you that only grew up in an MS world, it may be informative.

C_deck
05-30-2003, 12:26 PM
another loss for MS, the first of many more to come in Europe. an interesting point was MS was the low bidder.

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=PH3ORD1DRJ1BYCRBAELCF EY?type=technologyNews&storyID=2837894

zeradul
05-31-2003, 01:22 AM
What is your point? Do you seriosly think MS cares the tinyest bit about Europe? (or the government of Munich, Germany which is the topic of that article?)


The city of Munich said on Wednesday it would switch 14,000 computers from Microsoft's Windows operating system to rival Linux Oh no! The end is near! The German government sure has proven its WISDOM OVER THE PAST 4 MONTHS>>> HAHAHAHA....

Hahahaha, Europe is a nobody in the world of computers. Do you really think that Germany's government had competent enough employees that will be able to utilize Linux? Hahaha, certainly not the ANY of the non-tech employees. This WILL blow up in their faces, but that is nothing new to Germany!! Hahaha.

My uncle lives in Germany (and has for 10 years), and he buys 100% of his hardware and software on visits back here. He says that is what all German businesses do, they buy Dell's and ship them over. Which proves my point, Europe is a nobody in the economics of the computer world.

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A while back, Europe was considering a law that would impose a tarriff on Windows, Office, and even multiple non MS software titles, and the logic behind it was "to encourage European companies to make their own software"

Microsoft sent a representative to read a statement at the hearing which basically said:

"If this bill is passed Microsoft will stop all sales of our products to EVERYWHERE AFFECTED BY THE TARRIFF. Companies and Individuals still seeking MS products will have to purchase them through our other retailers based in other areas of the world."

Quickly it was realized that this meant Billions in losses for Europe, because now there would be no LOCAL profit for each copy sold, because they would be paying retail price to a different country. The legislation was dropped immediatly.

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Once again, proving that Europe is irrelevant in computer economics.

minibubba
05-31-2003, 03:21 AM
zeradul, you just contradicted yourself. if you were trying to prove a point that Europe is of little concern to the computer world and to Microsoft, then you really should have left out that bit about the tariff

and if Germany is so trivial, then why did M$ try so desperately to win the bid?

it does not take a rocket scientist to use Linux, from this quote: "Do you really think that Germany's government had competent enough employees that will be able to utilize Linux?' you obviously think it does, which makes me wonder how competent you are

zeradul
05-31-2003, 07:16 AM
Have you ever worked with government employees?

I did not contradict myself. MS was willing to cease all sales to keep the tarriff from being applied, proving that they could care less what happened.

MS is a company who will make a bid to anyone. I don't see any indication of them 'desperatly' wanting to win the bid. All it says is that Steve Ballmer suggested offering a lower bid.

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On the other hand, don't get me wrong. Linux is great for servers, and other niche places in infrastructure. But for the most part, computer users just want simple, extremely simple.

I am all for competition, and in that light I am very glad that Linux and even Apple exist. Nothing keeps you fit, like a fit opponent.

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One thing that you must remember. MS is far more than Bill Gates and his buddies. MS searches out and hires the cream of the cream years before they graduate from College. I have a friend who is absolutly brilliant (36 on his ACT), and is a double major in Computer Science / Computer Engineering, and at the end of his sophmore year, he had a job offer from MS, assuming he graduated. But part of the offer was a free flight out to Seattle, and free hotel, free tour, free meals, free everything. He was impressed.

And what does this mean? Well, he is the most intelligent person I have ever known and somehow, Microsoft found him.

The key to any dominant and successful business is having top notch employees, and going to that extent to find them, I find commendable.

C_deck
05-31-2003, 11:03 AM
Zeradul,

the point of the above articles/posts is not a reference to munich alone but the current world trends.

your uncle certainly has limited cultural experience and his comments should be ignored by all, especially by the german people.

the largest world market should be a concern to ms. europe is currently 15% linux and has a growth rate of 50% per annum. current ms practices has increased this growth rate even higher.

ms's response to the tariff was simply a short term tactic. people are willing to accept a regulated local monopoly but not an unregulated world monopoly with a history such as ms's. no one can blame europe for that legislation. europe's mass migration from ms is imminent it is not an anti US or anti free enterprise issue.

i am sure that 350 million highly educated people can use the linus gnome or other linux shells. after installing linux and openoffice on my comp, my training time was 5 minutes which, i think, is typical. maybe the munich civies will have to take an hour remembering new icons.

ms hires the best: do you mean the one in ten thousand. ms can't hire them or if they happen to get a young one, they can't keep them.. no corporation can keep these people and they are the people who count the most. maybe you should talk to a corporate psychologist.

you implied that linux is only good for servers. i see no reason why linux apps can't placed on 99% of business machines. many companys and ministries already have.

according to my numbers, ms discounted very very deeply on the munich bid. I think they did care about the munich bid.

Frost
05-31-2003, 09:50 PM
Concerning the price of Windows XP. Newegg hardware and software company (http://www.newegg.com) check out their prices for Windows software, OEM are around 93.00 US. Whe we bought 6 copies for our comptuers at work we got upgrades to our 98SE and ME workstation. Our compay President bought them from a software discount place for something like 95.00 each. they would have cost us 99.00 retail, at a local Staples, or Circuit City store plus the 6% state sales tax. I recently built a new computer for the winery and bought a Windows XP OEM with Service Pak 1 from Newegg for $93.00 It works fine.

At the winery we have 2 SCO Unix servers that store the data that we generate from our Windows workstations. It also houses some proprietary software and some software that Doug wrote in C language specifically for the winery & vineyards. We also use another piece of software that 'connects' us from our Windows desktop to the software residing in the Unix servers. ICE.TCP is the name of the software and Dejawinnt starts it and say for example I want to look at 'Lab calculations'. I click on the lab calculations on the windows desktop pretaining to that program and it 'fetches' it from the Unix box to my desktop and I run what I need. We keep bottle inventory, grape spray orders.. a WHOLE bunch of stuff there. Since these programs were written in C , we think that Linux might be able to run them. If we were to drop an operating system, it would probably be the Unix and not the Windows XP. But, that would be if we could get Linux to do what we are currently doing. Our current SCO Unix servers presently also serve not only this software from Windows workstations, but also provides support for the cash register terminals in the tasting room.

There are a lot of other Operating systems out there besides Windows and Linux. I use System Commander from www.v-com.com and it has the ability to boot into a little over 100 operating systems on your computer if you have hard drive space enough! Novell, Unix, Linux, PC DOS, DR DOS, etc etc..

Look at Operating Systems like tools. What are you wanting to do? What tool would be the most useful in doing that? If you were a mechanic you wouldn't pull out a torque wrench to remove a oil drain plug. You would use the proper wrench (size). If you were working on internal motor parts and needed to tighten a bolt or nut to a specific ft/lb of torque, you would not use an adjustable or open end wrench, you would use that torque wrench for that.

Availability of additional features is also a good consideration in the field of Operating Systems. The "average" home user going into a store to find a computer software to doing "somethings" could be creating greeting cards, learning a new language, or designing landscape for a garden... consumer choice among the software manufacturers out there at Wal-Mart, Staples, etc. BUT most are written in Windows or Macintosh format. You look for something written for a business application for Unix, then you are going to have to look at some specialiazed piece of software, written for that purpose, and ususally quite expensive. Also somewhat hard to find.

I don't fault Linux. But Linux or rather Huges Networks, hasn't written software to run their 2-way satellite dish for internet access in Linux recognizable format. Only comes in Windows.
There was 1 application, a world clock, in my Linux OS, that I really like better than anytything else anyone has wrtiten in Windows format.

long threads huh?:D

Wiggo
05-31-2003, 11:35 PM
After readin' this 2nd page (most BS or miss info) I'd say that some of ya's are too filled with self importance or misunderstanding. :rolleyes2

zeradul
06-02-2003, 12:29 AM
I don't know how many results you have appear per page, but my second page just started...

After readin' this 2nd page (most BS or miss info)
You took the words right out of my mouth... :laugh: :laugh:
And I must say that I am shocked by the amount of BS non-sense going on in this thread.

Wiggo
06-02-2003, 10:29 AM
[b]I don't know how many results you have appear per page, but my second page just started... I just use the forum's default settings like 95+% of others, 20 posts per page. :beer:

asklepios
06-02-2003, 11:40 PM
After readin' this 2nd page (most BS or miss info) I'd say that some of ya's are too filled with self importance or misunderstanding. :rolleyes2

ah god bless you... :)
so are we going to stop now? :hammer:

Frost
06-06-2003, 10:42 AM
I'll inject one thing. Microsoft really is not worrying about Linux. Because there is no way you could PAY me to switch over entirely to Linux from Windows XP. I don't care how much Windows costs, at least it works.:mad:

My wife and daughter uses windows.. why.. they like the games. No word processing, no web browsing, no spreadsheets, no databases, no listening to music or anything. All it is to them is a modified "Atari" setup for playing some games that aren't on the Windows XP system. If they were on XP, I doubt that Linux would be used at all for them.

I have tried to configure it so we can see each other and share printers (mine) when we are on Linux. We are an island unto ourselves. No one sees anyone else. It's as if Linux was not even on a network. Might as well write letters to each other and send them US Mail.

My cost for Linux... FREE.. what's it worth .. about that! What good is having an Operating system.. even a free one... if you cannot get accomplished what you are striving to do? This is why Linux will never be the backbone of the computer industry.. never! The first time someone tries to configure something and has to re-invent the linux kernel.. then OOpps!!! out the door and here comes MS. Apple is more user friendly and at least you CAN go into a store and purchase software to run on it.

Reminds me when I was at an auction with my cousin, Rick. Were watching this item sell for a ridiculous low money, and I nudge him and ask, "aren't you going to bid on it?? It's only 5 bucks!".. He responded "A bargain ain't a bargin unless you have a use for it"... so we let it pass.. :2cents:

SoulForge
06-19-2003, 07:39 AM
"A bargain ain't a bargin unless you have a use for it"

Very wise indeed.:bounce:

minibubba
06-28-2003, 06:29 AM
I'll inject one thing. Microsoft really is not worrying about Linux. that may have been true before, but it's not any longer

I'd like you to take a look though some of these articles if you think M$ isn't concerned about LInux:

http://www.openoffice.org/news.html

in fact this is a quote from the first article on that page:

[b]Linux should pass Apple in market share for desktop operating systems on computers sold in the coming year. That means from 7% to 10% of all PCs shipped won't bear the Windows icon.
^that is cutting into M$'s profits, so you can bet they are paying close attention

chezman
07-20-2003, 03:27 AM
How long will that last. And out of those percentages, how many will upgrade to XP so they can get done what they need to do, that linux can't.

I am an advocate of linux or actually freeware/opensource although I have never used linux. I just like the idea.
Whereas my brother lives by it. He runs linux on anything he can. Although at work (Wells Fargo system IT manager) he works with M$.
So he sees and knows both sides of the fence.

The bottom line, is like he told me, if you want to use linux, you are going to have to LEARN how to make it work for you.
Whereas M$ has learned how to make it for you.

The bottom line is do you want to spend the time to learn a "new language" or not. If you do, then run Linux and have fun with it, although you will have to learn as you go.

With M$ they have made it pretty much pnp. So you don't have to learn as much.

Its all personal preference. UNTIL Linux becomes more mainstream and gets better support and LEARNS how to make it work for you, instead of you having to LEARN how to make it work for you.

My :0.2:

Chez