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    @Atollo: For the questions you have you'd be far better off creating a thread of your own I think.

    You haven't said what you want this "maximum performance" for. But anyway, aren't you trying to throw money at a problem you don't have? A single modern large SSD for programs and the OS will already perform very well against the limits of a single SATA 3.0 port, and they are very reliable (though yes, they can break down ... you should make backups of your data, but even having raid10 doesn't change that). As you may have no TRIM on SSDs (definitive information on the subject is hard to find, and depends on several factors) in a raid setup that could really hurt your performance over time, whereas a single modern SSD will keep performing very well. Two SSDs in a stripe set are arguably a bit faster than a single SSD, but I don't think you'd ever really notice the difference other than in benchmarks, and the possible lack of TRIM is a significant downside.

    About that board:
    - 2 Intel SATA 3.0 ports, so RAID 0 or 1 at most on these. I'm not sure whether this chipset and its drivers supports TRIM on RAID. It might.
    - 8 LSI SAS2308 SATA 3.0 ports ... I'm not finding much positive info about these, e.g. they have no cache and the controller seems to get overwhelmed easily. Seems to be best by far to use software raid here, but it would be required to boot off the intel ports. Can't find for sure whether that setup would support TRIM or not, doesn't seem so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiari View Post
    @Atollo: For the questions you have you'd be far better off creating a thread of your own I think.

    You haven't said what you want this "maximum performance" for. But anyway, aren't you trying to throw money at a problem you don't have? A single modern large SSD for programs and the OS will already perform very well against the limits of a single SATA 3.0 port, and they are very reliable (though yes, they can break down ... you should make backups of your data, but even having raid10 doesn't change that). As you may have no TRIM on SSDs (definitive information on the subject is hard to find, and depends on several factors) in a raid setup that could really hurt your performance over time, whereas a single modern SSD will keep performing very well. Two SSDs in a stripe set are arguably a bit faster than a single SSD, but I don't think you'd ever really notice the difference other than in benchmarks, and the possible lack of TRIM is a significant downside.

    About that board:
    - 2 Intel SATA 3.0 ports, so RAID 0 or 1 at most on these. I'm not sure whether this chipset and its drivers supports TRIM on RAID. It might.
    - 8 LSI SAS2308 SATA 3.0 ports ... I'm not finding much positive info about these, e.g. they have no cache and the controller seems to get overwhelmed easily. Seems to be best by far to use software raid here, but it would be required to boot off the intel ports. Can't find for sure whether that setup would support TRIM or not, doesn't seem so.

    Hi Shiari
    first at all thanks for your answer.
    Yes is true I never declared what my rig is for and my budget too. I'm a fun of my privacy!
    Anyway I use CAD and sometime I like video and audio editing.
    You are right, I'd should create a new topics, I just thought this one where the right place.
    I'm along with you and I think best balance performance/price/troubles indicate to use a single good SSD. I was exploring if there is something better but after some research I think I'll stay in this configuration that guarantee TRIM, S.M.A.R.T. and NCQ.
    It really seems none know for sure that TRIM will work even in the two Intel sata 3 ports, you have to Plug and Pray but I have no money for waste in this kind of research. I spent time for have information because I don't want wast money.
    I contacted LSI to get information up on they controller, I report them troubles that people had with RAID and SSD, I'd also asked if they know a configuration, brands, or anything works well with their controller... No answer from them.
    Then for S.O. and programs I think I'll go for single drive and I'll continue to be paranoid with backup (this already saved me in the past).

    Best regards
    Atollo

    PS. Excuse my poor English

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    About your TRIM in RAID question on an X79 board, the answer is no, it does not work.

    There are some modded X79 BIOS files out there that will allow TRIM to work with SSDs in RAID 0, but the standard BIOS (really the Intel SATA Option ROM) and standard X79 RAID driver, RSTe, do not support TRIM in RAID.

    Several reasons for that. TRIM in RAID 0 is provided starting with IRST version 11.0 drivers and Option ROMs, on Intel 7 series chipset boards. Note that is IRST, not RSTe. No TRIM with RSTe.

    Some mother board manufactures now provide the X79 chipset compatible version of IRST, which starts with IRST 11.7, IIRC. There should be a BIOS update to go along with that, to provide the appropriate Option ROM. The reason for this update is to provide better performance than the RSTe driver provides, not to provide TRIM in RAID 0. That still does not work without the modded BIOS.

    The X79 chipset is actually not a true 7 series chipset, despite the name. X79 is more closely related to the 6 series chipsets, since both are meant to support Sandy Bridge architecture CPUs. It turns out that Intel apparently chose to provide RAID 0 TRIM on the 7 series chipsets only, and not on previous chipsets. The driver code literally checks the chipset version, to allow RAID 0 TRIM or not. The modded BIOS has a hacked/fake chipset code, which satisfies the driver check, and RAID 0 TRIM works. Personally, I think there could be side affects caused by the hacked chipset code, but people seem to use the modded BIOS' fine.

    So RSTe and a non-qualifying chipset (X79) equals no RAID 0 TRIM. Even IRST plus X79 does not support RAID 0 TRIM. That of course is with the official configuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    About your TRIM in RAID question on an X79 board, the answer is no, it does not work.

    There are some modded X79 BIOS files out there that will allow TRIM to work with SSDs in RAID 0, but the standard BIOS (really the Intel SATA Option ROM) and standard X79 RAID driver, RSTe, do not support TRIM in RAID.

    Several reasons for that. TRIM in RAID 0 is provided starting with IRST version 11.0 drivers and Option ROMs, on Intel 7 series chipset boards. Note that is IRST, not RSTe. No TRIM with RSTe.

    Some mother board manufactures now provide the X79 chipset compatible version of IRST, which starts with IRST 11.7, IIRC. There should be a BIOS update to go along with that, to provide the appropriate Option ROM. The reason for this update is to provide better performance than the RSTe driver provides, not to provide TRIM in RAID 0. That still does not work without the modded BIOS.

    The X79 chipset is actually not a true 7 series chipset, despite the name. X79 is more closely related to the 6 series chipsets, since both are meant to support Sandy Bridge architecture CPUs. It turns out that Intel apparently chose to provide RAID 0 TRIM on the 7 series chipsets only, and not on previous chipsets. The driver code literally checks the chipset version, to allow RAID 0 TRIM or not. The modded BIOS has a hacked/fake chipset code, which satisfies the driver check, and RAID 0 TRIM works. Personally, I think there could be side affects caused by the hacked chipset code, but people seem to use the modded BIOS' fine.

    So RSTe and a non-qualifying chipset (X79) equals no RAID 0 TRIM. Even IRST plus X79 does not support RAID 0 TRIM. That of course is with the official configuration.

    Don't get mad, but with ROM switch, running the RST and win 7, there is TRIM and it works fine, even when there is no ROM switch, and you mod for the 8086.2826 with the 2822mod with a 2826ID there is TRIM.

    Win 8 is a different story, some OROMs an driver combinations have no TRIM or have very poor TRIM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by odiebugs View Post
    Don't get mad, but with ROM switch, running the RST and win 7, there is TRIM and it works fine, even when there is no ROM switch, and you mod for the 8086.2826 with the 2822mod with a 2826ID there is TRIM.

    Win 8 is a different story, some OROMs an driver combinations have no TRIM or have very poor TRIM.

    With this last two answer I still vith doubt about the question...
    Someone tell me trim will work and someone tell me doesn't work!
    Personally I think Win8 isn't ready for professional use and I think Win7 still better even for drivers support.
    After this discussion I still pretty sure a single drive for S.O. and programs is the best solution... In case of aquiring hi resolution video from a discrete video card should be better have a RAID array dedicate just for receive the recording. In this way the problem due to a drive faillure are limited to the "temp" files or last recorded file that need an early bachup...

    Thanks guys to all of you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atollo View Post
    With this last two answer I still vith doubt about the question...
    Someone tell me trim will work and someone tell me doesn't work!
    Personally I think Win8 isn't ready for professional use and I think Win7 still better even for drivers support.
    After this discussion I still pretty sure a single drive for S.O. and programs is the best solution... In case of aquiring hi resolution video from a discrete video card should be better have a RAID array dedicate just for receive the recording. In this way the problem due to a drive faillure are limited to the "temp" files or last recorded file that need an early bachup...

    Thanks guys to all of you!
    Atollo

    I actually didn't read your question, I was just responding to parsec. I can't speak for every X79 out there, but for the ex 11, my board and a Gig X79, I can say that with a modded rom, or these boards that have rom switch, that is a board that has the option to use either the RST or RST-E OROM, in win 7, I had tested TRIM two way's on win 7 and have been positive they are being TRIMMED.

    Say they weren't getting TRIMMED, there is absolutely no proof that if you keep a SSD under 60 % of it's storage and allow some idle time that garbage collection is any less for keeping SSD's in shape.

    Until we see a study where they take SSD's in RAID on two system's for 2 years, one with trim and one without, then test them after the two years of heavy usage, can anyone be positive that TRIM is so important and that Garbage collection degrades the drives. I haven't even seen a test to show proof of which bench mark show's a SSD true marks, everyone give's a different report.

    We have seen so many post's about TRIM and it's importance, but no proof, they should shut up until they prove it.

    I have two vertex 3's that I have beaten to death, no TRIM for months, secure erased 100 times, installed OS's 80 times, have erased and reinstalled just to try new OROM's, BIOS, drivers, benched so many times I have no clue and still have such close marks as the day they were bought.
    Last edited by odiebugs; 08-07-2013 at 01:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by odiebugs View Post
    Don't get mad, but with ROM switch, running the RST and win 7, there is TRIM and it works fine, even when there is no ROM switch, and you mod for the 8086.2826 with the 2822mod with a 2826ID there is TRIM.

    Win 8 is a different story, some OROMs an driver combinations have no TRIM or have very poor TRIM.
    Now why would I be mad odie, that makes no sense to me...

    I know you tend to skim through posts, and I tend to ramble, so a bad combination. You are right of course, you can get TRIM to work on X79 boards, I thought I made it clear it does not work with the official, non-modded BIOS, etc. To me, official means the standard, by Intel's rules (constraints), and the modded BIOS is not official in that sense. You even quoted the chipset IDs I mentioned to make it work (2826, 2822) within a modded BIOS.

    If I did post an incorrect statement, I would hope you would correct... no, educate me about that, since that is what counts.

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    Hello
    i bought 2009 AMD Athlon X3 435 CPU and Asrock M3A785GM and Unlock to Phenom 4 Core worked well.
    But now M3A785GM is defect and i bought Asrock 890 extreme3 and activated Asrock UCC but unlock didnt work with this mainboard.
    I tried with newest Bios Firmware and oldest Bios but didnt work.
    any idea?

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    2 weeks ago I asked a question about a problem I'm having with a ASRock Z77 PRO4 and still got no answer. To reply to an e-mail takes that long ... It's the kind of product do not buy more.
    I heard of Asrock good, however tech support lacking. I can not trust a company that wants of its opinion on this problem.
    I do not know if I'll have this punishment po, just wanted the company to respect their customers.
    I live in Brazil and here things are complicated for support questions. I thought just in Brazil there were companies like this. I really hope to be wrong.


    Sorry everyone, there is no other way to say something about my problem, since the company if one wants the satisfaction to their customers.


    Here is my dissatisfaction with technical support from Asrock.




    sry....

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    Welcome to the forum.

    Please create a new thread in the ASRock forum where we can help you.

    Give your thread a title that includes a brief description of the problem, such as Z87 Extreme4 Won't Boot and describe any problems that you are having and what steps you have tried to fix the problem.
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