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    iam_teh_sam is offline Junior Member
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    Default 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    So first computer build, I just got the necessary components to do a boot test before I screw everything in.

    I seated the RAM, processor, and graphics card in the motherboard, plugged in a screen and my power supply, and started it. The fans and components I could here running and all started up, but there was no POST beep even with the motherboard speaker from my case in, and no image on the screen.

    I know I didn't have any static discharge issue, and I re seated everything, switched the slots the ram was in, and still nothing.

    My friend is helping me and his motherboard is a different manufacturer but has the same chipset and socket, he let me plug some of the components into his motherboard, everything worked fine. We even went as far as to put some of his components onto my motherboard to be sure, and it never worked. We did some general troubleshooting (re seating things, switching plugs, etc.) for about 3 hours and never got a beep or an image.

    My question is it this enough to be sure I have a bad motherboard? Is there any other test I can perform, or am I missing anything?

    Thank you.

    EDIT: I thought it would post my component automatically in my signature, just to be sure I have:

    Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 905e 2.5 GHz Quad-Core
    Ram: 2 x 4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
    Graphics: Gigabyte nVidia 550 ti
    Power: 650w
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    Default Re: 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    What is the brand name and model number of your power supply?
    Can you test with a different power supply?
    Try testing with only one memory module installed.
    You might need to test with your motherboard on a cardboard box beside your computer case.
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    Default Re: 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    My power supply is a Powork model PW-650.
    I'll try another one and the ram after work.

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    Thumbs down Re: 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    No offense, but you've got a real POS power supply.
    Use it as a low tech paper weight or door stop.
    You can buy a high quality Antec, Corsair or XFX power supply for about $75 or less.
    Even if you can get your system to work with your Powork psu, you're asking for trouble.

    from JonnyGURU - The Bargain Basement Power Supply Roundup (2007)

    Conclusion

    We come at last to the end of our odyssey o'er the seas of mediocrity. It was hard to pick a winner among losers, but the clear leader of the pack would have to be the Delta DPS300-PB-1, if for no other reason than it actually still worked after we got done with it. A distant second place goes to the Yuelin built Powork unit, for making it the furthest in our competition before puking its guts out.

    In last place, we have a tie. I couldn't decide which unit sucked harder between the Chiefmax and Real PC Power Silence Blue, so I hereby declare both of them the lamest PSU I've ever laid my hands on. Except maybe my old self immolating Deer from 2001, and even that one was better built in many ways. Not only are they completely unable to meet their ratings, they're argueably dangerous to connected hardware.

    So, there you have it folks. It just doesn't pay to try and save that extra $50 on your build budget by buying cheaper power supplies.
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    Default Re: 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    Here's a brief list of power supplies that should meet your needs:
    Newegg.com - Power Supplies: Antec, Kingwin, XFX, Corsair, SeaSonic -- 500W - 650W

    eXtreme Power Supply Calculator will help you determine how much power your system will need.
    Read psu reviews from JonnyGuru, HardwareSecrets, HardOCP, PCPER, or TechPowerUp to see which ones have the best electrical performance and will provide clean power for your system.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    Thanks for the info, like I said, its my first build and I am kind of heavily relying on a friend who said he know how to build computers. I've been trying to do the research but its a little confusing still on the what works best together and what compatible/whats not, etc. My friend already messed up a little with the case and power supply he was like 'oh just get something that has enough watts', 5 min on ebay 'that will be fine', me, 'are you sure seems cheap', him, 'yeah, its got the watts you need, it'll be fine', ok.

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    Default Re: 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    ok for the rest of your suggestions


    What is the brand name and model number of your power supply? -- ^

    Can you test with a different power supply? - Not now, but I did, originally, for sake of testing everything tried it with my friends power supply hes been using for months, nothing.
    Try testing with only one memory module installed. - Just did, even reset the bios while i was at it, nothing.
    You might need to test with your motherboard on a cardboard box beside your computer case. - I saw a couple tutorials quick before we started initially and I have been using the box it came in, as most suggested.

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    Default Re: 970 extreme 3: Bad Motherboard??

    Do NOT put the anti-static bag underneath your motherboard.
    Disconnect all drives and all other hardware that isn't necessary for booting into the bios.
    What type of mouse and keyboard is connected? Include the brand model names.

    There is an 8-pin EPS12v connector in the upper left rear corner of your motherboard.
    Is there a 4-pin ATX_12v cable or an 8-pin EPS12v cable from your power supply plugged in to this connector.
    Check the motherboard user manual for the correct way to connect the 4-pin psu power cable.

    It's possible that your cpu and/or heatsink are not properly installed.
    Make sure that the thermal grease hasn't contaminated the cpu socket.

    Which hardware components did you borrow to test in your system.
    Did you test with a different video card, monitor and/or cable?
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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