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    HCR, OCing on the Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge platforms is simple, compared to earlier Intel platforms, like socket 1366 and 1156, and before that socket 775 systems like... Ahem... someone we know uses.

    You likely will find that long term, 100% load testing of the OC on your CPU (if you do that, not a requirement IMO...) will result in some high CPU temps with your CM 212. In normal use, you'll be fine. It turns out that IB CPUs like your (and mine) i5-3570K run hotter that SB CPUs do. I have an i7-2600K on the same board as the '3570K, with the same CPU cooler, and the latter is always ~10C warmer at idle. There is another thread in this forum that goes into that phenomenon in detail.

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    As a programmer in a former life, I can tell you that software is NEVER 100% right, until it has been used for years (and fixed many times) and has a very strict and well defined set of operations, and is also restricted to a specific function. Even then, a situation can pop up that will take it out! Part of the reason I got out of that business.
    What'sa matter, Basic programming was too much for you?
    As a main-frame assembly language programmer, I never had any bugs.
    Although I must admit to the occasional UDF (Unintentioned Design Feature).

    From Murphy's Law and other reasons why things go wrong!:

    If builders built buildings the way programmers write programs,
    the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.

    BTW my overclocked, half-fast LGA 775 system is cool running, has great ssd and hard drive performance and doesn't have any mouse or other problems.

    Arriving on October 30:
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    Once your start overclocking, you'll never be able to stop.
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    HA!! A BASIC programmer am I? Well, you know where you can GoTo after that statement...

    Yeah, I've written a C++ compiler in BASIC, no biggie I believe a C compiler was once written in COBOL, can you say many lines of code?

    Actually Prof. Jim, your CPU/platform is more than adequate for most things. Adding high performance I/O performance via a SSD is what really counts, and SATA II is not a drawback at all IMO.

    I still have a Core 2 Duo E8400 and a Core 2 Quad Q8300, but I killed one of my socket 775 boards, which leaves me with one Gigabyte '775 board that works just fine, even if the goofs used the ICH10 SATA chipset instead of the ICH10R, so no RAID... The very few new '775 boards I could find are either really cheap, lousy ones, or an even fewer decent ones but at prices higher than when they were introduced. I better sell those CPUs while I still can... Oh, forgot my Pentium D 945.

    USB 3.0 does work well, much faster than 2.0, given a good storage device interface. I'm sure you know not to bother with SATA III add on cards, just not worth it, short of expensive RAID cards, and those can be a source of much frustration if your board is not happy with them.

    HCR, not to worry, to OC your PC is simple and not dangerous, and there are endless other ways to screw up a PC.

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    This is a program that I wrote many years ago and it is bug free:
    Code:
    :HELL
    goto HELL
    Unfortunately it consumes massive cpu cycles when it is run by an interpreter.

    I'm honored that you consider my system to be "more than adequate for most things".
    Adding a sata III controller cards is not an option, as the real world performance difference would be minimal at best.
    Running a raid 0 setup for the operating system is for people that are compensating for certain inadequacies in their lives.

    The HighPoint 1022A pci-e 2.0 x1 USB 3.0 controller card has mixed reviews and I don't know if my pci-e 1.x mobo bandwidth will reduce the speeds. I'm not expecting to see anything near 5 Gb/s and all I need is speeds close to my sata2 hdd speeds when I'm backing up files using the RocketStor 5122B as a docking station.

    I'll be doing more "showing off" by posting new benchmarking screem-shots* using my second Samy 840 ssd and Caviar Black backup hard drive.
    *Screem-shots are what you get when it's Halloween.
    Last edited by profJim; 10-28-2012 at 02:08 AM. Reason: changed model from 850 to 840 ;)
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    Samsung 850? Wow, you are already beta testing the next Samsung SSD beyond the 840 series! I'm impressed, you surely must be a master beta tester!

    Indeed, I am a master over-compensator via RAID, and you've given me a perfect opportunity to show what three 'lil Samsung 64GB 830s can do in RAID 0, on a SATA II chipset:

    Device Manager - Unknown Device after MB drivers install-ssd-830x3-64gb-raid-0-wbc-32k-mbs-5-23-2012-png

    Nice for a mere 160GB of Solid State storage on a SATA II interface. I used a smaller RAID stripe size in this volume to maintain the 4K performance, which tends to suffer at larger stripe sizes. The tradeoff is some loss in the sequential read speed, but that is insignificant IMO.

    This RAID volume and OS installation is almost nine months old, without one glitch, and the performance is slightly better than day one. No need to fear RAID with dependable drives like these.

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    Samsung 850? Wow, you are already beta testing the next Samsung SSD beyond the 840 series! I'm impressed, you surely must be a master beta tester!
    picky, picky, picky
    BTW, I've given the above quote an "R" rating.

    Is there any space for over provisioning?
    Can you now use TRIM on your raid array?
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    I figured you'd catch that one, I was rather pleased with it frankly...

    That SSD RAID 0 volume is on an Intel X58 board PC, with the ICH10R SATA II chipset, so no TRIM. I have no specific OP space on that volume, but keep it below 50% filled, since any free space on a SSD is used just as OP space is used, for GC.

    TRIM in RAID 0 is very restricted right now, and this info is accurate as of the date of this post:

    1. You must have an Intel 7 series chipset (released with Ivy Bridge CPUs) board that supports RAID (H77, Z75, Z77, or Q77.)

    The X79 chipset is excluded, because it uses a different RAID driver, RSTe, the enterprise hardware RAID driver.

    Those chips are called the PCH (Platform Controller Hub) and there is only one chip, not a separate Northbridge and Southbridge chip, as they were called. The PCH provides the boards SATA ports, and other functions. It works on both SATA II and SATA III ports.

    2. You must use the Intel Rapid Storage driver (IRST) version 11.0, or greater.

    The drivers are readily available for download, there are (or were) four version 11... official IRST drivers as of the date of this post.

    3. Your boards BIOS/UEFI must have the Intel IRST Option ROM version 11.0, or greater.

    My ASRock Z77 EX 4 board has a version 11 Option ROM. It is part of the UEFI/BIOS, or in a UEFI update, and was changed in a UEFI update to 11.2 for some reason. Mother boards that have the qualifying chipsets should have the necessary Option ROM. The Option ROM provides a simple UI to configure RAID volumes, that you can run during the boards POST sequence. It also provides other functions.

    4. AFAIK this is restricted to Windows 7, and beyond.

    I've read that there is no technical or hardware reason why the previous Intel 6 series chipsets (released with Sandy Bridge CPUs) cannot have RAID 0 TRIM working. Supposedly, the version 11 IRST software detects the type of chipset, and "turns off" RAID 0 TRIM. I don't know if that is true. Also, the 6 series chipsets have version 10 IRST Option ROMs, so a UEFI update would be needed to add the necessary Option ROM. Going back before the 6 series, who knows if it could work, there are some 5 series PCH style chipsets for socket 1156 CPUs, if that even matters. X79 board users are complaining they want RAID 0 TRIM, which is likely the first priority on another platform. It should be included in future chipsets, such as at least some of the 8 series to be used with Haswell.

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    There you guys go again, showing off. Also, would you both please post in English!

    Thought I would post a couple of AS SSD screenshots of the new system. First was done right after I had installed Win 7, installed MB drivers, installed MS updates and did most of the optimization tweaks suggested for Win 7/SSDs. The second one I did today after switching out my Asrock supplied SATA 3 cables with ones from Silverstone (nice but pricey). I also ran the second test with Prime95 running 1 thread (supposed to give a more accurate benchmark). Appreciate any comments regarding the results.

    Device Manager - Unknown Device after MB drivers install-ssd-bench-samsung-ssd-830-10-17-2012-6-41-53-pm-png

    Note: Have to post second image in another post evidently. Any way to show more than one image in a post? Let me know and I will combine them.
    Last edited by highcountryrider; 10-29-2012 at 08:47 AM.
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    Second AS SSD benchmark, taken today:

    Device Manager - Unknown Device after MB drivers install-ssd-bench-samsung-ssd-830-10-28-2012-3-43-46-pm-png
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