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    OK guys, thanks for the info. This was sort of what I suspected as I never noticed a 8 GB increase in used space or 8 GB decrease in available space on the OS drive with ASR_RAM running. I did encounter the temporary page file creation once when I first was setting up the RAM drive because I removed the page file from the C drive and rebooted before starting the RAM drive. After starting the RAM drive and rebooting it did not happen.

    I guess what caught my eye was the mention of a small page file being necessary on the system drive to handle kernel memory dumps and BSOD in case of a crash. From what you guys are saying that is not an issue.

    I will probably set up the page file on my E drive and use the ASR_RAM drive to store the System and User temp files and browser cache files. I did notice a curious thing about the ASR_RAM drive and parsec, since you are using this also maybe you can take a look and see if it is the same on your system. I had selected both IE and Firefox Cache files to be stored on the RAM drive when setting it up. When I look at the RAM drive directory I only see Firefox under the CacheFile folder, nothing for IE. How about yours?





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    Last things first, I don't use IE at all, and as you don't recall, I don't use the RAM drive as a FF cache, as it always caused FF to crash on me. I should try it again and see...

    The IE thing I don't understand. FF lets you select where the cache is, and I've been putting it on another drive. But, I'm finding that after a reboot, it sets it back to the C drive, which is aggravating. Perhaps IE is doing the same thing, and I don't know how IE lets you choose its cache.

    Back to pagefile land, since I don't see a pagefile.sys file on the RAM drive, and it seems I haven't ever written to it, I assume it is allocated but not in existence until written to? Or (HA!) it's not working right on the RAM drive. Yes I have an entry for it in advanced System properties. Getting sick of this actually...

    You did mention one good point of pagefile, that it holds the data from memory dumps. That would come in handy if one has that problem, which can be simply activated if necessary.

    In all the discussion of a pagefile in the links you provided, which I enjoyed reading (seriously), I keep seeing people talking about their 2GB or memory, or 1GB of memory. Well yeah, if that's all you have, you need a pagefile! If you're the type of user that uses up, say 16GB of memory, I would think you'd know it and be able to handle the situation. But I can't see one argument beyond the memory dump and having less than 4GB of memory for the real need of a pagefile. Also, obsessing over its existence is a bit crazy too...

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    OK parsec, thanks for the clarification. I just can't figure out why the IE cache files aren't showing up in the RAM drive. Anyhow I think with 16 GB of RAM (which is 12 more than I've ever had) and with the type of usage that I generally do I can't see it being a problem for me. I think I'll knock the RAM drive down to 2 GB, put a 2 GB page file on E drive and figure that 12 GB on the system drive should be more than enough for my everyday usage. Oh, and also stop obsessing about page file issues. Believe me, I hope I don't have to think about it ever again!
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    Here's one that's bothering me, possibly related to the IE cache files not being put in the RAM Drive. I put the FFox cache on another drive, via the method described in FFox's own information. Yes it works, I see the cache folder starting from 0 bytes, and increasing in size as I browse. But when I reboot, the entry for the cache file path/folder, which you must enter, such as "D:\FFoxCache" (no quotes) disappears, and the cache returns to the C: drive.

    I'm tempted to ask FFox about this or create a problem ticket with FFox, but I might be missing something, I just can't see it...

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    Is there any way that you can create a start up script that would create an empty X:\FFoxCache folder on the ram drive shortly after windows starts?
    If yes, then FireFox should be happy when it starts.
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    I see what you mean (I think) but I don't see the difference. The non-C drive I set the FFox cache to, exists when I set the cache location in FFox, as well as the folder on that drive. The drive letter does not change, it is D: when I set the cache location, and D: when I reboot. Sure, if I changed drives in the PC, and the folder did not exist, then I would need to set it correctly.

    Hmm, maybe that's it, I should NOT create the folder before I set it, and let FFox do it. Off to try that...

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    Nope, still doesn't work. Every reboot removes the string I entered for the cache file location. Seems like that is done on purpose, or maybe is a bug, but I know better than to jump to that conclusion.

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    I'm running the older 3.6.xx FireFox version and it has no problem using my existing D:\Cache-FF folder every time it starts. It sounds like FireFox has a hissy fit if it doesn't find the different cache folder location when it starts up, so it just defaults to its normal cache folder location on the C: drive.

    This wasn't a problem with the DataRamDisk software when I set it to save the ram disk's contents at shut down and to load the saved proprietary image file when the system starts up. I stopped using the ram disk when it failed to start several days after it was installed. I wanted my ram disk to have a swapfile, TEMP folder, and cache folders for FireFox and Internet Explorer. I wanted all three folders to be empty at start up.

    The main reason I stopped using DataRamDisk software was that it took four minutes to create a saved image file for my nearly empty 2GB ram disk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    I'm running the older 3.6.xx FireFox version and it has no problem using my existing D:\Cache-FF folder every time it starts. It sounds like FireFox has a hissy fit if it doesn't find the different cache folder location when it starts up, so it just defaults to its normal cache folder location on the C: drive...

    Clear as mud?
    I've done it both ways, with the cache file on another drive created first, and then tried to let it create it on it's own. The problem occurs with a reboot regardless.

    For example, I create a cache folder on the D: drive for FFox. Check the Properties, 0 bytes.

    Start FFox, set the cache to the new location. Quit FFox, and start it again. Go to a site or two. Check the FFox cache folder, several MBs in size. Open the folder, and it is filled with folders, etc.

    Later reboot the PC. Start FFox, check my setting for the cache folder, it is now blank, unset. Before I noticed this, I would use the PC normally for days. I happened to look at the folders on the FFox cache drive, and I see the last accessed date of the cache folder is days ago. Start up CCleaner, and see I have a huge FFox cache folder on the C: drive, which I had deleted when I created the cache on the other drive. I know that FFox still uses the C: drive for other things, so I don't expect nothing from FFox on the C: drive.

    So create the cache folder, set the path to cache folder in FFox, restart FFox, and it uses the cache folder I created, it grows in size and is loaded with entries.

    Restart the PC, path setting in FFox is cleared (blank) and the cache folder I created is no longer used by FFox, although it is there and full of files and folders.

    Just had a thought, I'll check it...

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