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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    MY PC:

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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    Hello,

    I have a newbie quesiton, and I am alreayd afraid of th eanswer.


    The manual mentions: Supports DDR3 1333/1066/800 non-ECC, un-buffered memory
    I bought some Fury hyperx DDR3 1866 MHz, DDR3 HX FURY CL10 ram.
    I "assumed" that if a RAM can run at 1866 it has no problem running at 1333


    Did I assume right?
    If yes, I have a strang ebehavior, when i put the ram in the computer power up, no sound ( like the sound when no ram is present) but screen stays black.
    Any idea what coudl be wrong?

    If not, then I understand I need to find old DDr3 that works only at 1333 is it correct?

    Thanks,
    Stephane

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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    You can't just use any DDR3 memory and expect it to work.
    ASRock probably has a list of memory kits that they tested years ago and these specific memory kits were compatible with your motherboard. I couldn't find a QVL memory list on the webpage for your motherboard.

    There are a lot of other memory kits that were tested and were compatible with your motherboard and these are the compatible memory kits that each memory manufacturer posted for different motherboard brands and models. Memory manufacturers want to avoid problems and to have happy customers so it's in their best interest, and yours, to post an extensive list of compatible memory kits that they tested and found compatible for each motherboard model. Each memory manufacturer has a different name for their online compatible memory kit lists, such as Ram Configurator, Memory Finder, etc.

    The last time I checked, G.Skill no longer had any DDR2 kits listed on their web site. If a memory manufacturer does not have a compatible memory list for your motherboard, contact their tech support by email, phone or on their web site and see if they can provide you with their compatibility list.

    The chances of newer memory kits working with your motherboard are probably slim to none, you will probably need to buy somewhat older used memory kits that were manufactured around the time your motherboard was a current product.

    A web search using: why do i need compatible memory for my motherboard will provide links that explain the details as to why installing incompatible memory causes stability issues or won't let your system boot.
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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    You can't just use any DDR3 memory and expect it to work.
    ...
    A web search using: why do i need compatible memory for my motherboard will provide links that explain the details as to why installing incompatible memory causes stability issues or won't let your system boot.
    Hello,

    Thanks for the explanation.

    Indeeed hyperx seems nto suported to any intel chipset earlier than series 6
    I ordered a Kingston Hyperx Fury 2x4gb DDR3 1333MHz compatible with DH55TC mobo? - DDR3 - Memory

    I did not find the list of supported memory for the motherboard but I did not think of looking at the list of supoprted motherboard in the memory manufacter.
    The only one listing the 4core1600Twins-P35D is crucial and they do nto list any 4 gig ddr3 ram modules. They don t even list my current balistix ddr2 ram.

    So i open a ticket with kingstom.

    On the other hand, I have balistix ddr2 1066 4-5-5-15 , now trying to figure out why they rate as DDr2 PC 6400 instead of 8500. then I'll decide to go for 8 gig of DDR2 or DDR3 mainly based on price to find them ;-)

    I read tis but not sure i get it
    PC-8500 reading as PC-6400 - Crucial Community


    CPU
    Multiplier x Bus Speed 8.5 x 328.1 MHz
    Rated Bus speed 1312.4 MHz

    Chipset
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Northbridge Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
    Southbridge Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02
    Graphic Interface PCI-Express
    PCI-E Link Width x16
    PCI-E Max Link Width x16
    Memory Type DDR2
    Memory Size 4 GBytes
    Channels Dual, (Symmetric)
    Memory Frequency 328.1 MHz (1:1)
    CAS# latency (CL) 4.0
    RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 5
    RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5
    Cycle Time (tRAS) 15
    Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 44
    Command Rate (CR) 2T
    Host Bridge 0x29C0




    DIMM # 1
    SMBus address 0x50
    Memory type DDR2
    Module format Regular UDIMM
    Manufacturer (ID) Crucial Technology (7F7F7F7F7F9BFFFF0000)
    Size 1024 MBytes
    Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
    Part number BL12864AA106A.8FE5
    Serial number 86010862
    Manufacturing date Week 165/Year 165
    Number of banks 1
    Data width 64 bits
    Correction None
    Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
    EPP yes (2 profiles)
    XMP no
    AMP no
    JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
    JEDEC #1 3.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
    JEDEC #2 4.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
    JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-18-23 @ 400 MHz
    EPP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
    EPP profile #1 (full) 4.0-4-4-12-24-2T @ 400 MHz (2.000 Volts)
    EPP profile #2 (full) 5.0-5-5-15-30-2T @ 533 MHz (2.000 Volts)

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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    The memory specification for your motherboard is:
    Supports Dual Channel DDR3 1333 (2 x DIMM slots) with max. capacity up to 4GB and Dual Channel DDR2 1066 (4 x DIMM slots) with max. capacity up to 16GB
    ....but the maximum amount of DDR2 memory is probably 8GB.

    Using the Crucial (Europe) memory finder I found two different 2 x 2GB kits that are compatible with your motherboard:

    1. 4GB kit (2GBx2) DDR2 PC2-8500 (cas7) 4GB kit (2GBx2) DDR2 PC2-8500 Unbuffered NON-ECC 1.8V 256Meg x 64 upgrades for 4Core1600Twins-P35D Motherboard, CT798117 from Crucial.com
    2. 4GB kit (2GBx2) DDR2 PC2-6400 (cas5) 4GB kit (2GBx2) DDR2 PC2-6400 Unbuffered NON-ECC 1.8V 256Meg x 64 upgrades for 4Core1600Twins-P35D Motherboard, CT2416492 from Crucial.com

    Keep in mind that the rated memory speeds are for one 2 x 2GB kit and you might not be able to reach the full rated speed with 8GB installed.

    If you want to buy used memory, it might be worthwhile to contact Crucial tech support and see if they can provide you with a list of older Crucial 2 x 2GB memory kits that were compatible with your motherboard. It looks like their compatibility list only includes memory kits that are currently available.

    A brief explanation from your posted settings:

    Multiplier x Bus Speed 8.5 x 328.1 MHz -- your cpu speed is 2788MHz
    Rated Bus speed 1312.4 MHz -- 4 x 328 = 1312MHz

    Memory Type DDR2
    Memory Size 4 GBytes
    Channels Dual, (Symmetric)
    Memory Frequency 328.1 MHz (1:1) -- your memory speed is 656MHz (2 x 328)
    CAS# latency (CL) 4.0
    RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 5
    RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5
    Cycle Time (tRAS) 15 -- your primary memory timings are 4-5-5-15

    DIMM # 1
    Size 1024 MBytes
    Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz) -- this is normal, even though your memory is rated for PC2-8500 bandwidth
    Part number BL12864AA106A.8FE5

    Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts -- this is the normal voltage setting when using any of the JEDEC timings
    EPP yes (2 profiles) -- EPP profiles are used for overclocked memory speeds

    JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
    JEDEC #1 3.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
    JEDEC #2 4.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
    JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-18-23 @ 400 MHz
    EPP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
    EPP profile #1 (full) 4.0-4-4-12-24-2T @ 400 MHz (2.000 Volts) -- with 800MHz speeds primary timings 4-4-4-12 should be stable
    EPP profile #2 (full) 5.0-5-5-15-30-2T @ 533 MHz (2.000 Volts) -- with 1066MHz speeds primary timings 5-5-5-15 should be stable

    The following shows my current memory settings:



    note: The Kingston SPD does not include EPP memory profiles but the HyperX T1 datasheet says that the memory is rated for 1066MHz using 5-5-5-15 timings with memory voltage up to 2.20 - 2.30 volts.

    Including a screen-shot with the Cpu-z windows make it easier for us to help you.
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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    The memory specification for your motherboard is:
    ....but the maximum amount of DDR2 memory is probably 8GB.

    Memory Frequency 328.1 MHz (1:1) -- your memory speed is 656MHz (2 x 328)

    Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts -- this is the normal voltage setting when using any of the JEDEC timings
    EPP yes (2 profiles) -- EPP profiles are used for overclocked memory speeds

    EPP profile #1 (full) 4.0-4-4-12-24-2T @ 400 MHz (2.000 Volts) -- with 800MHz speeds primary timings 4-4-4-12 should be stable
    EPP profile #2 (full) 5.0-5-5-15-30-2T @ 533 MHz (2.000 Volts) -- with 1066MHz speeds primary timings 5-5-5-15 should be stable


    note: The Kingston SPD does not include EPP memory profiles but the HyperX T1 datasheet says that the memory is rated for 1066MHz using 5-5-5-15 timings with memory voltage up to 2.20 - 2.30 volts.

    Including a screen-shot with the Cpu-z windows make it easier for us to help you.

    Thanks a lot,
    Impressive overcloaking by the way

    I understand better the settings. here is my cpu-z
    Asrock P35D DDR3 Question-cpu-jpg

    I am unable to get a DRAM speed higher than my FSB.
    In the bios I can set the memory speed to 333 or 400 Mhz (or auto) I tried 400 , cpu z still tells me it is at FSB speed. I can t seems to change the multiplyer FSB:DRAM (1:1)
    (I tried the q9550 at 400Mhz but mine does not boot at that speed. )

    I'll see if I can find compatible ram to go to 8 gig, either DDR2 or DDR3 will depends on what I find.
    (the DDR2 sells now like twice the price of DDR# )


    Thanks a gain for your time.
    Stephane

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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    You're welcome.

    I downloaded your motherboard user manual to check out the bios options.
    I suspect that the NB Core Voltage might be too low.
    The following settings might work:

    Code:
    Advanced tab
    CPU Configuration
    Overclock  Mode-------------------- [Manual
    CPU Frequency (MHz)---------------- [333]
    PCIE Frequency (MHz)--------------- [100]
    
    Ratio  Status---------------------- Unlocked
    Ratio CMOS Setting-----------------
    Ratio  Actual  Value--------------- 
    
    Chipset Configuration
    DRAM Frequency--------------------- [533MHz (DDR2 1066)]
    Flexibility Option----------------- [Enabled]
    DRAM CAS# Latency------------------ [5]
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay------------ [5]
    DRAM RAS# Precharge---------------- [5]
    DRAM RAS# Activate to Precha------- [15]
    
    CPU Voltage------------------------ [Auto] --> slightly higher than 1.25 might be needed
    DRAM Voltage----------------------- [2.02V]
    NB Core Voltage-------------------- [Auto] --> Low or Middle might be needed
    If necessary another option that might work is 7.0 x 400MHz = 2800MHz with a 1:1 ratio for 800MHz memory speed with 4-4-4-12 memory timings.

    Both of these options (4-4-4-12 at 800MHz and 5-5-5-15 at 1066MHz) will have virtually identical real world performance.

    Do ya feel lucky?
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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    You're welcome.

    Both of these options (4-4-4-12 at 800MHz and 5-5-5-15 at 1066MHz) will have virtually identical real world performance.

    Do ya feel lucky?
    Maybe yes ;-)
    I found a note that explains it...
    I changed CPU, so my FSB has changed and..
    If you adopt a DDR2 1066 memory module and adopt a FSB1333-
    CPU or FSB1066-CPU on this motherboard, you need to adjust the
    jumpers. Please refer to page 26 for proper jumper settings.

    I thought i lost my settings wiht the bios upgrade but in fact I need to change the jumpers to get my ram at 1066 Mhz ;-) I'll try tonight.

    This is kind of fun, haven t been tweaking my computer for the last 5 years, amazing how much you forget in such a little time.

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    Default Re: Asrock P35D DDR3 Question

    Here is kingstom answer for supported memorry..
    Please note that although the 4core1600twins-p35d is not currently in our list of supported systems, we used to support models with P35 chipsets with our memory previously.


    The reason for the discontinuation was the transition to a new type of memory technology.

    It appears as though this system, are unable to support this newer technology.

    The memory used by the 4core1600twins-p35d has a 1Gbit chip density - the current chip density is 4Gbit and the Intel P35 Chipset is not capable of using this technology.

    Therefore we were no longer able to support this system as all current memory modules had been updated to the new type.

    Unfortunately, we are no longer able to provide you with a compatible upgrade solution, therefore we recommend that you return the product to your supplier.

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