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    Default Re: I am beginning to get very annoyed and frustrated with ASRock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiari View Post
    That is only valid if the range is rigidly specified to start with. It hasn't been. Similarly, you could complain there's no extreme 5, 7, etc?
    On the website where I read all of the details about the z87 range there was a list of models - it included the extreme 11/ac but made no reference to 5 and 7, I don't know why the models are numbered the way they are - I presume there would be some imaginative reason for it - or maybe being an Asian brand(afaik) they find the particular sequence of numbers lucky or profitable or something along those lines or maybe something to do with a model equivalent of fung shwai - but I was referring to the list of numbers provided on the site (not ASRocks).

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    Meh. I don't see a Class Action suit being legitimized by a Judge over any possible delays during a/any possible launch for the board.

    When, and if, it's in a workable and reasonably ready situation to be released it will be. But not until then.

    Reputations have been made, and lost, over things a trivial as this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
    Meh. I don't see a Class Action suit being legitimized by a Judge over any possible delays during a/any possible launch for the board.

    When, and if, it's in a workable and reasonably ready situation to be released it will be. But not until then.

    Reputations have been made, and lost, over things a trivial as this.
    I think you need to go back, reread and comprehend the contents of the post discussing class action suits - it wasn't regarding the time scale or availability of the ASRock board(s) it was regarding product from chip manufacturers that stated a spec and delivered a much lesser spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalloutBoy View Post
    I think you need to go back, reread and comprehend the contents of the post discussing class action suits - it wasn't regarding the time scale or availability of the ASRock board(s) it was regarding product from chip manufacturers that stated a spec and delivered a much lesser spec.
    I don't see the same false information. The SATA 3 spec does transfer 6 Gbit across its wires, and that's what they're advertising. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't say "you can transfer files at X MB/sec with this", nor does it say that that is shared across the devices per interface, and they don't have to. No claims are being made, so there's nothing for you to sue. They're simply listing the highest number that's technically correct, and it gives some sense of scale from version to version.

    Promising "more" through advertising happens everywhere, sadly. It's not specific to computers, and it is nothing new. Just consider the fuel efficiency of a car for example. Yeah you might be able to reproduce their advertised results in an ideal situation, but unless you manage that same efficiency yourself day after day the claim is essentially false. We can only hope the integrity in these things will improve over time, and I'm pretty sure that eventually it will. Change takes time however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalloutBoy View Post
    I think you need to go back, reread and comprehend the contents of the post discussing class action suits - it wasn't regarding the time scale or availability of the ASRock board(s) it was regarding product from chip manufacturers that stated a spec and delivered a much lesser spec.
    No. I read it properly. And thanks but my comprehension is just fine concerning your two "threads' here crying out for a date on the board

    BTW, chip manufacturers? ASRock chose to place the chip on as many pcie lanes as ASRock themselves deemed worthy. The lack of lanes is/was the debilitating factor. Not the chip itself.

    Nothing good ever comes from letting your customers sense you're angry and or disillusioned. Poor business practice for doing so, interruptions or not. It is something to be avoided at all costs.

    Just what is it that this board consists that is of interest? It's an enthusiast board that wouldn't(read: does not) make for IT dept server material. That plus it's E-ATX which most likely means a new case for many of them, assuming they are enthusiasts. Manufacturers subsist on spoon feeding us sugar that is mostly little or no use to the majority. The LSI SAS3008(?) is just one more such cube on an otherwise enthusiast board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
    ...

    BTW, chip manufacturers? ASRock chose to place the chip on as many pcie lanes as ASRock themselves deemed worthy. The lack of lanes is/was the debilitating factor. Not the chip itself....
    Well, can't agree with that, the devil is in the details. From the Marvell-99SE91XX-Host-Controllers Product Brief:

    The Marvel 88SE91xx host controllers offer cost-effective solution of connecting Serial ATA (SATA) or Parallel ATA
    (PATA) peripherals to a PCI Express (PCIe) 2.0 host. Each host controller supports one or more 6 Gb/s SATA and
    one 133 MB/s PATA peripheral interface ports and a one-lane 5.0 Gb/s PCIe host interface. In addition, it features
    hardware RAID to offload host CPU and AHCI interface for inbox driver support. A complete suite of RAID 0/1
    software is provided, including the OS device driver, BIOS/FW, and a management utility.


    http://www.marvell.com//storage/syst...ontrollers.pdf

    What, am I just making this stuff up?

    So explain to me what I'm missing here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    and a one-lane 5.0 Gb/s PCIe host interface
    OK! Ok. You win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
    OK! Ok. You win.
    No problem, not my point to "win", and I must admit these add-on SATA chipsets and their contradictory specs have been a pet peeve of my for years. Meaning I researched these guys as much as possible, and using their own specs and documents, that is what I found. A different document I once found was touting that the chip only needed one PCIe 2.0 lane (at 5.0Gb/s), that for their direct customers, mother board manufactures.

    OTOH, you are correct wardog, it can depend on how many PCIe lanes are allocated to a chip. To be fair, there are some Marvell SATA chipsets, the 9172 and 9182, that can be connected to more than one PCIe lane. But most mother boards do not use those chips, and not without a reason.

    For Intel platforms, when Sandy Bridge "Mainstream" CPUs and chipsets were released, the number of available PCIe lanes was reduced compared to previous platforms (it's ~24-28 IIRC.) Only one PCIe x 16 lane was available, and going XFire/SLI with just two cards put you at two x8 lanes. Using three cards is even worse. That limitation remained for IB and now Haswell platforms.

    With fewer PCIe lanes available, all manufactures can do is ration them. So being able to add a SATA chip using one PCIe lane is attractive. OTOH, on platforms like the i7-900/X58, or Intel's X79, that have 40 PCIe lanes, using the single PCIe lane SATA chips is just being cheap.

    Back to how these chips are marketed as 6Gb/s when they are using a single 5Gb/s PCIe interface, perhaps the answer is this, from the Marvell document:

    SATA 3.0 Compliant: 6 Gb/s SATA PHY with speed negotiation to backward support 3 and 1.5 Gb/s

    So it has a 6 Gb/s SATA PHY "layer", but the downstream interface is not, but the former qualifies it as SATA 6Gb/s?

    IMO, I still believe it's BS.

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    Wow. Someone's a < flame text deleted >, aren't they?



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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbintb View Post
    Wow. Someone's a < flame text deleted >, aren't they?
    Wow and someone must be really desperate for entertainment - do us all a favour don't try and troll here.

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