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    Papang, Am I a gamer... games on most of my PCs = nada! Sacrilege, to some people, yo comprendo. I also use the Intel onboard graphics (shudder!) due to my UEFI booting fetish... and no comments from the gallery, Prof Jim, I know you're out there!! At least I'm honest and self-aware... too!

    PCs are useful for other things besides gaming, believe it or not. And most video cards don't support the GOP thing that UEFI booting requires, hence IGP.

    Of course not applicable to your on-chipset graphics (Intel has done that in the past too), but on the Intel CPU PC that I actually use a video card with (EVGA 650), I can turn the IGP voltage offset down to its minimum value, and all is well with the CPU's functioning. But of course I have control over those voltages separately. So you don't on that AMD chipset?

    Yes, I have fans with LEDs, but then I got a job! Just joking... I do have a couple LED fans in one case I have, they are on a switch that can be turned... off. Am I crazy in the head... yeah.

    Nice to hear about the PC enthusiasts in Mexico, building one with poco dinero is more of a challenge than having the funds to do so. I salute them!

    SolderIron4, Holy Guacamole, no wonder your chipset is cool, your custom chipset cooler is a 3/4 scale model of your CPU cooler!

    Next, you have given new meaning to the term, Computer Chair...

    Not to mention, your cable... forest... vines... snakes... Yet again...

    My cable management OCD is... is... NOOOOO!!! Make it STOP!! Arghh!!!

    That's better, just looked at my PC with the side off... Ahhhhhhhhh! OMG, I'll fix yours for free!

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    I also use the Intel onboard graphics (shudder!) due to my UEFI booting fetish... and no comments from the gallery, Prof Jim, I know you're out there!! At least I'm honest and self-aware... too!
    Don't worry, I don't deal with peoples fetishes.
    Sounds harmless to me, whatever makes you happy!

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    Ahhh, mi amigo parsec, I found the article but was pretty long so I made an extract. So this means that you have up to now been an "Upper Mid Level" type user according to this socioeconomic break down I once wrote for a forum in Mexico, including salary levels:

    --Enthusiast/Millionaires/Royalty(political)/Drug Lords-No limit on what they spend on HW or the most expensive. All HW in this level cost double to triple what it costs in the States, but they can afford it, no (savy marketing)?

    --Upper Mid Level Users-People that make $35,000-40,000 pesos/mo ($2,800-3,200 usd). Higher end HW with a lot of amplitude. Most “fanboys” (yeah, we got them too) are in this bracket.

    --Mid Level Users- People that make $20,000-25,000 pesos/mo. ($1,600-2,000 usd). Intermediate/Mid Level type HW and choosy. Most of the “posters” are these guys and even a couple of gals.

    --Lower Mid Level Users-Make $10-15,000 pesos/mo. ($800-1,200 usd). Squarely on “Budget/Value” Level HW and struggling at that. Here is where the ASR 960GM/U3S3 FX fits and if it were sold down here, would have a lot company.

    --Low End Users-Below $8,000 pesos/mo ($640 usd). Close to poverty level. Gets the cheapest (PC Chips for ex.) or used or shoplifts. These folks are the ones that fill the still plentiful “internet cafes” which up north (and other developed countries) followed the path of dinosaurs.

    You should have seen the ruckus! But it got a lot of comments, hehe, which was the goal. We all know HW is classified as Budget, Mid and High end. It's the same but with a couple of extra levels around Mid. I even estimated how many users, starting from the top: 5%, 15%, 40%, 30% and 10%. (which coincidentally mimics how salaries are spread out in reality, well according to government sources if you can trust them). You are in the upper 20 percentile and I on the lower 40 percentile shooting for 10%.

    I too was at your level until lately. My last Asus (780G) which originally cost $90 usd but lasted over 3 years taking me through 3 procs., 2 vid cards and 2 ram sets (and still works!) means for me, with this mobo, a step backward because of the 760G. I think I have never paid so little (afraid to buy junk), but you know its virtues.

    The hard part was was encouraging members to declare on what level they were--very few would say. The objective was to suggest what was within their reach as upgrades for example and not hurt feelings. Why tell them to get a +$1,000usd i7-3970X Extreme proc when they can only afford a Celeron? As you might have guessed, it was sort of ahead of its time, hehe.

    As usual, back to the topic, if you buy higher end mobos consistently, you most probably have the same or similar options in the bios as you upgrade. Ready to try HW of the “masses” one of these days ;)?

    Saludos and Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Don't worry, I don't deal with peoples fetishes.
    Sounds harmless to me, whatever makes you happy!
    Letting me slide, relatively speaking, and quite a PC response from you, you must be tired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolderIron4 View Post
    Yes, Parsec must be having something going wrong, or else he's working with an older version of the board or something. I think mine has been upgraded or something because I got heat sinks every were on all my chips, ones I wouldn't even care about.. I'll show you in the next pic. In the pic, is my temps running from that OC Program..
    I did notice that someone went "hog-wild" (does the term exist?) with the heatsinks on the VRMs. It makes sense to place HSs on the mosfets but glued to the top of the chokes/inductors??? The chokes emit heat from the 5 exposed sides, not just the top. I've seen cases of exploded capacitors (the first to go) and maybe one or two of mosfets going up in flames. Well, not really in flames, just burnt out (black spot where it was) to a crisp mosfets. Never a choke probably because they are "passive" as they say? They get hot but never to the point of a mosfet which is "active".

    Besides the placement of the mosfets is just plain silly...between and behind the chokes? On my Asus, they are all lined up behind the chokes and the mobo has holes for using screws or push pins to secure a healthy sized heatsink on top of them (never did, no need). Thus the mini-sized HS on the mosfets. Like parsec sez, they help but are just too tiny to help on a decent OC.

    You must have gotten it from a Mom and Pop shop cuz mine from Amazon came exactly like it was pictured in the ASR spec sheet online--bare of heatsinks there. So yes, it is an upgrade from mine and to me, thus more advanced.

    I asked a modder bud of mine down here how much he would charge for placing HS on the VRMs like yours and he asked for $40 usd! Why so much? First a bunch of Dremel cutting disks (HS are hard to cut), polishing the edges (tiny things are a pain), then having to mix epoxy with Arctic Silver (50% AS) in batches small enough to not set up before placing all the little HSs (no thermal epoxy down here and much less double sided thermal tape). 2-3 days for this so that the epoxy would cure. I could do it of course, but if not, it would cost almost what the board cost! So yes, it IS quiet an upgrade undoubtedly.

    It also goes to show how much quality control goes into these budget level boards. Much more lenient than mid or upper level ones. "How hot is Solderiron's, 37C? Ok it passes. Papang's is 99C? Pass it too! I just hope he uses a dual core and does't want to OC." Just imagining the thoughts, hehe.

    Cheers and Saludos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papang View Post
    Ahhh, mi amigo parsec, I found the article but was pretty long so I made an extract. So this means that you have up to now been an "Upper Mid Level" type user according to this socioeconomic break down I once wrote for a forum in Mexico, including salary levels:

    --Enthusiast/Millionaires/Royalty(political)/Drug Lords-No limit on what they spend on HW or the most expensive. All HW in this level cost double to triple what it costs in the States, but they can afford it, no (savy marketing)?

    ...
    As usual, back to the topic, if you buy higher end mobos consistently, you most probably have the same or similar options in the bios as you upgrade. Ready to try HW of the “masses” one of these days ;)?

    Saludos and Cheers
    Very interesting, and a glimpse into the real world of Mexico, important for a "privileged" American (no sarcasm, that is true in many ways) to see. If you think you saw a ruckus in your country, the socialist-ish liberals in this country would have a field day with such statistics. Then again, most would not get it, unless they were true PC nerds.

    I see big marketing potential in the "Drug Lord" PC, for the children of the rich, including a drive self destruct feature, when the Federales' come knocking.

    Regarding hardware of the masses, I deal with that every day in this forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    Papang, Am I a gamer... games on most of my PCs = nada! Sacrilege, to some people, yo comprendo. I also use the Intel onboard graphics (shudder!) due to my UEFI booting fetish... and no comments from the gallery, Prof Jim, I know you're out there!! At least I'm honest and self-aware... too!

    PCs are useful for other things besides gaming, believe it or not. And most video cards don't support the GOP thing that UEFI booting requires, hence IGP.

    Of course not applicable to your on-chipset graphics (Intel has done that in the past too), but on the Intel CPU PC that I actually use a video card with (EVGA 650), I can turn the IGP voltage offset down to its minimum value, and all is well with the CPU's functioning. But of course I have control over those voltages separately. So you don't on that AMD chipset?

    Yes, I have fans with LEDs, but then I got a job! Just joking... I do have a couple LED fans in one case I have, they are on a switch that can be turned... off. Am I crazy in the head... yeah.

    Nice to hear about the PC enthusiasts in Mexico, building one with poco dinero is more of a challenge than having the funds to do so. I salute them!


    Ahhh, parsec what a let down Uefi? I was hopping on getting it with this board but it appears to be reserved to mid level and up mobos (mostly upper) to see what all the hubub was. I'll get it on my next system for sure and then you can guide me down the yellow brick road of how to use it.
    Yeah, down here we could never get enough members, much less modders. There were more "potential" members but they already belonged to older forums altho they would poke their heads in every once in a while but not constantly. I guess it is the same over there. The big difference is that you have so many coming of age who feel comfortable with HW who then join the forums. Over here taking apart a computer is still in diapers and something like voodoo.
    Aha, a build with an external gpu! There is still hope for you, hehe. It might just be a phase, nah, we had members too without external gpus who were more interested with HW and the copious things you can cover of that. They were happy just to find out what a VRM was or how to get an OC and a lot of other fertile ground, even a little programming (I am a BAD programmer). A lot of threads were dedicated to "tweaking" too, just like here.
    Well, you must be pretty ecological(feeling of guilt maybe for having an ATX?), trying to save energy from not using the leds on your fans, haha. You do know that the leds make great night lights and saved my butt more than once while stumbling to check how a download was doing.


    SolderIron4, Holy Guacamole, no wonder your chipset is cool, your custom chipset cooler is a 3/4 scale model of your CPU cooler!

    Next, you have given new meaning to the term, Computer Chair...

    Not to mention, your cable... forest... vines... snakes... Yet again...

    My cable management OCD is... is... NOOOOO!!! Make it STOP!! Arghh!!!

    That's better, just looked at my PC with the side off... Ahhhhhhhhh! OMG, I'll fix yours for free!
    See below solderiron, and don't listen to parsec till he shows us his rig. Cable management is almost an art and does take time to do right. Sleeving is very blingy but very time consuming too and besides, you just got your case so maybe a lot things are not in their definite places.

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    Well blow me down Solderiron! It looks like an Enermax Hoplite, pretty good case btw. It looks similar to my HAF 912 which had mesh all over the place for optimal air circulation....and a lot of bling too! Kudos! DO NOT switch them off like parsec says, soft glowing blue light is a real eye catcher and just shows off better the quality Enermax case. I love Enermax led fans but they are soooo expensive.

    I can't see it well enough, but are you using the factory cpu heatsink and fan? Nothing to sneeze at! If I am not wrong, it has heat pipes (since the Thubans) so it will stand abuse while keeping things on an even keel. You can easily OC to 4.5Ghz or more which is not bad at all. The thing is the platform from where you are launching from.

    I think the culprits are the tiny northbridge (and southbridge which are even smaller) chips. Have you seen one? I did when I removed the factory HS from mine. It looked like this:

    Anyone Else with a VERY HOT 960GM/U3S3 FX Northbridge Heatsink?-amd760g_chips-jpg

    If you measure it, it must be 1 X 1.5 cms, the size of your pinky fingernail. This means that under a 40 X 40mm heatsink, the contact area is around 10% which is minuscule. This means that heat transfer is not so good or fast as if it had a heat spreader shell like the ones on processors. Add to this the fact that the pcb of the mobo is thinnish (not much heat absorption) and you get fast scaling temps. That is the reason I don't run Prime95 but Heavyload which is not so demanding and only for 5-10 min. to test stability. Running Prime for 10 hours is just plain foolish/risky on this mobo, especially with our hexa-cores. They at least push twice (if not triple) the data these chipsets were meant to handle originally.

    If I were an ASR engineer, I would have added a heat spreader to this northbridge chip if it were to support FX 8XXX procs. And another VRM phase with piped heatsinks maybe. And larger mosfets (they are ever so slightly smaller than those on my old Asus and probably not the same quality) and a couple of extra layers on the pcb. It would then be like the Asus mobo except for the older 760G.

    If it had all that, I seriously doubt that the mobo could be sold for $55 usd IMO. Seeing as it is not, I would consider myself lucky if Turbo Core could work without harming the board for the next year or so.

    Wow, so much blowing down on the VRMs! No wonder I am green with envy of your temps. And man, if I could get an IR temp gun for $20 usd like a Rosewill, I wouldn't be so lost but the cheapest is a $96 usd no-name brand (Steren) or a Fluke or similar for over $200 usd, totally out of reach for me. So thnx again for you readings which at least give me a point of comparison. This is my solution for the NB and VRMS:

    <a href="http://s711.photobucket.com/user/papangcun/media/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0013a_zps8d676aa6.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/papangcun/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0013a_zps8d676aa6.jpg" border="0" alt="front photo DSCI0013a_zps8d676aa6.jpg"/></a>

    <a href="http://s711.photobucket.com/user/papangcun/media/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0014a_zps2ef92c57.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/papangcun/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0014a_zps2ef92c57.jpg" border="0" alt="top photo DSCI0014a_zps2ef92c57.jpg"/></a>


    Suggestions before overclocking)

    Open your bios on the OC Tweaker tab/page.

    1) Scroll down to "Multiplier/voltage Change" change from Auto to Manual. Once set to Manual, scroll down to "CPU Voltage" and change the voltage from where it is (most probably 1.450 v) to 1.250 v . I found this to be stable enough to play BF3 6 hours last week.

    2) Scroll down further to "CPU NB Voltage" and change the voltage from default 1.150 v to 1.000 v. If this is unstable, since you are using the igp, change back to 1.150 v or try a notch or two downward.

    2) Use OC Tuner to push your fans to 10 (max) so as not to have to access the bios and be a permanent speed. Put all types of cooling to work, including a floor or desk fan(s) toward the case. The more the better and safer.

    3) Run Prime95, OCCT or better HeavyLoad (with all on-take into account it will also stress your igp this way as well as your hdds) for no more than 10 min. or sooner if any of your NB, SB, CPU or Mosfet temps reach 60C/140F (pretty conservative) which is twice what you told me the last time while at idle. DO NOT turn off throttling in the bios. If your system can't take it, it is better that it get stuck (throttled) at whatever level than push it beyond what it thinks is "acceptable". If it BSODS, just as well.

    You can run HWiNFO64 or Aida64 or Core Temp (if it reads your proc, it does not read mine) on screen at the same time to compare against your temp gun readings (how much offset).

    For lack of sensors, you have to constantly monitor with your IR temp gun. You can run also run AMD Overdrive but you will not get mobo info unfortunately, our chipset is not supported. Overdrive also has a stressor for the cpu that you can use. You can control voltages too but I don't feel comfortable using it. At the end of the 10 mins. record all you can and let us know. You can run the stress test again after letting temps go down to normal, if you missed something.

    Did I miss anything or send him in the wrong direction? I'm trying to play it safe IMO, to not risk the mobo.

    Cheers and Saludos
    Last edited by Papang; 08-02-2013 at 03:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papang View Post
    Ahhh, parsec what a let down Uefi? I was hopping on getting it with this board but it appears to be reserved to mid level and up mobos (mostly upper) to see what all the hubub was. I'll get it on my next system for sure and then you can guide me down the yellow brick road of how to use it.
    Yeah, down here we could never get enough members, much less modders. There were more "potential" members but they already belonged to older forums altho they would poke their heads in every once in a while but not constantly. I guess it is the same over there. The big difference is that you have so many coming of age who feel comfortable with HW who then join the forums. Over here taking apart a computer is still in diapers and something like voodoo.
    Aha, a build with an external gpu! There is still hope for you, hehe. It might just be a phase, nah, we had members too without external gpus who were more interested with HW and the copious things you can cover of that. They were happy just to find out what a VRM was or how to get an OC and a lot of other fertile ground, even a little programming (I am a BAD programmer). A lot of threads were dedicated to "tweaking" too, just like here.
    Well, you must be pretty ecological(feeling of guilt maybe for having an ATX?), trying to save energy from not using the leds on your fans, haha. You do know that the leds make great night lights and saved my butt more than once while stumbling to check how a download was doing.
    No UEFI firmware on that board? Caramba, that is surprising, UEFI firmware has been used for a while now, although the early versions did not have the settings to allow UEFI booting. Actually I have not seen those settings until the Intel Ivy Bridge CPU and chipset boards were released. You're not missing anything amazing, unless you like ~10 second cold start up times, with Windows 8 too.

    LEDs are fine, they just aren't my main criteria for choosing a fan. Also, my PCs are not used as night lights, although some of the case power LEDs are bright enough to serve that purpose. I'll need to move a PC or two in order to get a good internal picture, and it likely won't be powered up at that time. But I'll have one eventually, if I can get a picture that is small enough in resolution to upload.

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    Haha, good one on the hdd self destruct for the Federales!

    I know that UEFI is the new bios that we have used for ages, about time, I think. Settings are changed faster (mouse click?) and cold start ups too. 10 secs. sound to good to be true. I have around 25 secs. boots with an SSD and Win8 Pro but without stopping all the services and no progs in boot up, I see no way of reducing that....until I get UEFI. I sort of intuited that the chipset on this board was too ancient to support it and yes, Intel has the jump on this (they invented it anyways) but adaptation has been slow on the AMD side although happening.

    It is sort of new tech, only being seen maybe a couple of years ago or so but I thought it was a step forward and you know, I am all for that. However SATA III, USB 3.0 and DDR3 trump UEFI because I would have to go to the ASR970 to get it---at twice the cost of my little 960GM.

    Say, what happened to solderiron? I think he might have been a little disappointed with the 960GM because I felt he wanted to OC his FX6300 which is a pretty good proc to do so. He definitely would have been a prime candidate for the 970 Extreme4, not the best for OCing but good enough without risking a lot, especially with the factory CPU HS.

    Ah, when you take your pics, host them somewhere (Dropbox, Photobucket, Imageshack, etc) so you can upload several in one post (front, sides, top, insides, rear). I hope you have a better camera than my measly 7megapixel Polaroid (a mistake) with a very slow lense and low end 3X physical zoom. Also a pretty rudimentary flash that whites-out a lot of shots if not used right.

    If they are as great as I hope they are, they deserve a new thread entitled "Cable Management Done Right" by parsec (for those who thought I only knew about storage, take that you incredules!) Hmmm, google says that incredules is french but you get the idea, incredulous types.

    Back on track, for those who are beginning to get worried about the topic of hot components on their mobo, without modding a lot, if you should have a tower type CPU HS like mine, you can do the following which is not visible (or nearly invisible):


    <a href="http://s711.photobucket.com/user/papangcun/media/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0013_zps9eab036a.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/papangcun/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0013_zps9eab036a.jpg" border="0" alt="Left side View photo DSCI0013_zps9eab036a.jpg"/></a>


    Nothing visible from the front or maybe even the top, but turning the techbench around.

    <a href="http://s711.photobucket.com/user/papangcun/media/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0033_zpsca78e0c9.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/papangcun/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0033_zpsca78e0c9.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo DSCI0033_zpsca78e0c9.jpg"/></a>

    Yes, it is a simple piece of cardboard that pushes air from the rear CPU HS fan DOWN on the VRM area and plenty toward my hot NB HS. This was done almost from the beginning due to the odd placement of the mosfets that prevented using a more logical HS solution and helps keep them cooler than without anything. Since the inclination is a little steep, you can hardly see it.

    Of course, Solderiron's solution is very functional too as his CPU HS fan blows down on the mobo (down draft air circulation) and with the extra 3 fans working in conjunction also blowing down on the mobo, heat dissipation is very good in that area. I would say, his solution is better and stronger than mine if you use your factory CPU HS and fan. If not, if you ordered your processor bare (OEM) with a better CPU HS apart like me for maybe better heat dissipation and to be quieter, then this is your ticket. A peek what is under the cardboard:

    <a href="http://s711.photobucket.com/user/papangcun/media/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0036_zps6cfb2d8d.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/papangcun/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0036_zps6cfb2d8d.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo DSCI0036_zps6cfb2d8d.jpg"/></a>

    Since my "case" is a techbench, one cannot forget extra cooling UNDERNEATH the motherboard as so (130mm TT dual bearing NO LED fan-see parsec, not all of my fans are lit, especially this one that can't be seen):

    <a href="http://s711.photobucket.com/user/papangcun/media/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0030_zpsf5b61604.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/papangcun/ASR%20960GM%20U3S3%20FX%20NB%20Cooling/DSCI0030_zpsf5b61604.jpg" border="0" alt="120mm fan to mobo photo DSCI0030_zpsf5b61604.jpg"/></a>

    So be "kewl" by keeping it cool-your components will appreciate it and OC much better (uhh, you have been reading the thread, no? Be very careful with this mobo).

    Cheers and Saludos

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