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    Default Can't get K7VT6 SATA ports to support non-RAID HDD/SSD

    Been trying for a few days now to install a SATA hard drive on my K7VT6 PC. The description in the SATA_300b Readme.txt file implies independent drives are supported by the VT2387 South Bridge.

    ================================================== ==============
    VIA VT6410 IDE RAID is a RAID controller that supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD.
    It also supports up to four IDE hard disk drives.

    VIA VT6420 SATA RAID and IDE controller supports two configurations:1) Two
    SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs, and 2) Four SATA HDDs. The RAID functions are only
    supported on SATA HDDs. It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions,
    however, are not supported on IDE HDDS.

    VIA VT6421 RAID controller supports two SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs.
    It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions.

    VIA VT8237 is a south bridge which includes VT6420 SATA controller so this
    software package also supports VT8237 SATA controller.
    ================================================== ==============

    I'm running WinXP SP2 and if I install a SATA DVD drive (either SATA port), it is immediately recognized and works perfectly. However, if I install a hard drive (HDD or SSD) in either SATA port, no recognition. When I use the 300b install utility, it always installs the 5.1.2600.300 driver set which I gather is RAID specific. These drivers always result in driver failure to start and an "error 10" if a hard drive is present. If I manually install the PIDE drivers instead (5.1.2600.104), then there are no reported errors, but again, the drive isn't recognized.

    ================================================== ==============
    Package Version Identification

    1. The VT6410, VT6420 (VT8237), and VT6421 RAID driver versions included
    in this package are:

    Operation System Version
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Windows 98SE, ME 2.0.950.300
    Windows NT 4.0 4.0.1381.300
    Windows 2000 5.0.2195.300
    Windows XP 5.1.2600.300
    Windows Server 2003 IA32 5.1.2600.300


    2. The VT6420 PATA driver versions included in this package are:

    Operation System Version
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Windows 98SE, ME 2.0.950.104
    Windows NT 4.0 4.0.1381.103
    Windows 2000 5.1.2600.104
    Windows XP 5.1.2600.104
    Windows Server 2003 IA32 5.1.2600.104
    ================================================== ==============

    I was originally running BIOS 1.30 and yesterday replaced it with 1.60 in hope of a change, but none. I was hoping to see a switch in the new BIOS allowing me to explicitly configure a SATA IDE mode, but no. I downloaded the 430g drivers from Asrock, but they appear to be RAID specific. Don't know what else to try, but I find it hard to believe the VT8237 doesn't support independent SATA hard drives.

    Really need some assistance with this -- thanks!

    PS. I've tried it both with the BIOS BOOT Menu RAID Utility switch enabled and disabled, when enabled, it always reports no drives installed, presumably normal for a RAID utility with only one hard drive present).
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    Default Re: Can't get K7VT6 SATA ports to support non-RAID HDD/SSD

    I'm confused by your description, are you trying to install an OS (XP SP2?), or do you have a boot drive working? If the latter, I'm guessing you have a PATA drive as your OS/boot drive?

    From your post, the SATA chipset description that you think matches your VIA 8237 chipset is:

    VIA VT6420 SATA RAID and IDE controller supports two configurations:1) Two
    SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs, and 2) Four SATA HDDs. The RAID functions are only
    supported on SATA HDDs. It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions,
    however, are not supported on IDE HDDS.

    VIA VT8237 is a south bridge which includes VT6420 SATA controller so this
    software package also supports VT8237 SATA controller.


    So you can have two SATA HDDs and two IDE HDDs, which I assume you are using at least one IDE HDD connected to the PATA connectors? Or four SATA HDDs, which seems impossible, given your board only has two SATA ports. So the description I copied from your first post does not make sense, IMO.

    The one that does match your board's connectors is this:

    VIA VT6421 RAID controller supports two SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs.
    It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions.


    You need to clear up a few things before we can continue.

    Also, what are the HDD mode settings available to you in the BIOS? IDE, RAID, SATA+PATA, or something like that?

    RAID drivers used on current mother boards do not require the drives used to be in a RAID array, and the specs you posted mention JBOD. Is there a JBOD setting?

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    Default Re: Can't get K7VT6 SATA ports to support non-RAID HDD/SSD

    The quoted lines from the Readme.txt are exactly as presented in the Readme.txt. No, not all described possibilities are applicable to my specific situation. My purpose was to provide the text provided by VIA, not an interpretation of it. It seems to me both the VT6420 and the VT8237 offer a configuration applicable to my situation, the first configuration. I'm not considering the VT6421 to be a factor, especially as the VT8237 apparently doesn't incorporate it.

    I currently have three HDD and one DVD drive connected to the two PATA connectors. The primary master PATA HDD has WinXP SP2 installed in the first partition.

    What I'm trying to do is add a single SATA hard drive. Specifically an SSD (but have also tried an HDD) and with the possibility of moving WinXP to it. I've yet to find anything in either BIOS 1.30 or 1.60 that allows me to designate the SATA ports as either IDE or RAID (regardless of RAID configuration), and the BIOS IDE section deals only with PATA. Judging by the RAID utility content, that's normally where the various RAID possibilities would be selected, but I've seen no reason to believe it's applicable to non-RAID operation. The only BIOS switch I've found related to SATA is the enabling or disabling of the Raid Utility in the BOOT Menu.

    Hopefully this clarifies.

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    Default Re: Can't get K7VT6 SATA ports to support non-RAID HDD/SSD

    I sure would appreciate a little expertise on this. I understood from the Asrock website an Asrock rep visits this forum to help out. Could really use a little of that.

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    Default Re: Can't get K7VT6 SATA ports to support non-RAID HDD/SSD

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorS View Post
    ...

    I currently have three HDD and one DVD drive connected to the two PATA connectors. The primary master PATA HDD has WinXP SP2 installed in the first partition.

    What I'm trying to do is add a single SATA hard drive...
    It just struck me that the issue may be as simple as this. From your first post:

    VIA VT6410 IDE RAID is a RAID controller that supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD.
    It also supports up to four IDE hard disk drives.

    VIA VT6420 SATA RAID and IDE controller supports two configurations:1) Two
    SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs, and 2) Four SATA HDDs. The RAID functions are only
    supported on SATA HDDs. It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions,
    however, are not supported on IDE HDDS.

    VIA VT6421 RAID controller supports two SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs.
    It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions.


    It seems that the maximum number of drives you can use at any one time, in various configurations, is four. You have four drives now, and your DVD drive counts as one drive of course. Some BIOS's will lock out options if another condition is met, in your case you're at the four drive limit on the IDE connections, so anything else is not available.

    I'm not certain about this, but it does add up...

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    Why anyone is running XP sp2 in the first place is ridiculous. SP3 is free, even though XP is a dead toy and soon will be dangerous.

    Then you have someone sticking a SSD on a dinosaur board with no AHCI, you can't even update firmware without it, worthless to add a SSD on this thing.

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    Default Re: Can't get K7VT6 SATA ports to support non-RAID HDD/SSD

    Well... Uhm... wait, I know...

    Because it is there (the SSD that is)

    Because, "... the best way to bring life back to an old PC is to add a SSD" (quoting thousands of articles about SSDs)

    Because some people cannot afford to buy a new mobo, CPU, etc.

    Because some people just don't want to buy a new mobo, CPU, etc.

    Because that person's PC is a reliable old friend.

    Because worthless is in the eye of the beholder.

    Because, since when is all human behavior logical?

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    Default Re: Can't get K7VT6 SATA ports to support non-RAID HDD/SSD

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Welcome to the forum.

    Send a private message to ASRock TSD - Emily, include a link to this thread, and ask her to reply in your thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    It just struck me that the issue may be as simple as this. From your first post:

    VIA VT6410 IDE RAID is a RAID controller that supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD.
    It also supports up to four IDE hard disk drives.

    VIA VT6420 SATA RAID and IDE controller supports two configurations:1) Two
    SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs, and 2) Four SATA HDDs. The RAID functions are only
    supported on SATA HDDs. It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions,
    however, are not supported on IDE HDDS.

    VIA VT6421 RAID controller supports two SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs.
    It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions.


    It seems that the maximum number of drives you can use at any one time, in various configurations, is four. You have four drives now, and your DVD drive counts as one drive of course. Some BIOS's will lock out options if another condition is met, in your case you're at the four drive limit on the IDE connections, so anything else is not available.

    I'm not certain about this, but it does add up...
    Given I can successfully install a SATA DVD player, I doubt the controller does count CD/DVD drives as IDE HDD. Still, I can try disconnecting the secondary ATA port and see if it makes any difference. Thanks for the further thoughts :)!

    Quote Originally Posted by odiebugs View Post
    @ parsec

    Why anyone is running XP sp2 in the first place is ridiculous. SP3 is free, even though XP is a dead toy and soon will be dangerous.

    Then you have someone sticking a SSD on a dinosaur board with no AHCI, you can't even update firmware without it, worthless to add a SSD on this thing.
    Is this nonsense supposed to be in some fashion helpful? If so, I'm afraid you missed.

    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    Well... Uhm... wait, I know...

    Because it is there (the SSD that is)

    Because, "... the best way to bring life back to an old PC is to add a SSD" (quoting thousands of articles about SSDs)

    Because some people cannot afford to buy a new mobo, CPU, etc.

    Because some people just don't want to buy a new mobo, CPU, etc.

    Because that person's PC is a reliable old friend.

    Because worthless is in the eye of the beholder.

    Because, since when is all human behavior logical?
    Thanks for your assist :)! FWIW -- judging by the severe instability it introduces, SP3 is incompatible with my board at least given my heavy internet usage -- tried it three times and backed it out three times (including the MS "FIX"). SP2 works flawlessly and I've no issues with viruses despite this PC being on the internet 24/7, I've good aftermarket protection. As for the SSD, I've a specific reason for having a faster drive installed for certain operations. In short, my choices are entirely logical and it matters little to me whether that arrogant character comprehends.

    Thanks -- Trevor
    Last edited by TrevorS; 10-26-2013 at 03:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    It just struck me that the issue may be as simple as this. From your first post:

    VIA VT6410 IDE RAID is a RAID controller that supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD.
    It also supports up to four IDE hard disk drives.

    VIA VT6420 SATA RAID and IDE controller supports two configurations:1) Two
    SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs, and 2) Four SATA HDDs. The RAID functions are only
    supported on SATA HDDs. It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions,
    however, are not supported on IDE HDDS.

    VIA VT6421 RAID controller supports two SATA HDDs + Two IDE HDDs.
    It supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and JBOD, these functions.


    It seems that the maximum number of drives you can use at any one time, in various configurations, is four. You have four drives now, and your DVD drive counts as one drive of course. Some BIOS's will lock out options if another condition is met, in your case you're at the four drive limit on the IDE connections, so anything else is not available.

    I'm not certain about this, but it does add up...
    Just disconnected the secondary PATA cable and the only difference is I no longer have those two drives. I tried the .104 SATA driver and then the .300 (still installed) and they behave exactly the same as before disconnecting the PATA port. I tried the SATA SSD and HDD separately and finally simultaneously (total of four hard drives, no CD/DVD) -- again, absolutely no change in behavior.

    So, that's an interesting observation that there's likely a hard max of four hard drives (not including CD/DVD, three HDD and two DVD works), but I still don't know why the SATA ports aren't recognizing either my WD3200KS HDD or my SanDisk SDSSDP-064G-G25 SSD. Still haven't heard from the Asrock person, sure wish they'd lend a hand!

    PS. Just sent a second PM to "ASRock TSD - Emily"
    Last edited by TrevorS; 11-04-2013 at 06:25 AM.

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