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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    I think that a Haswell cpu and motherboard will better suit your needs instead of using the X79 platform.
    For optimal performance and stability, make sure that your motherboard offers 6 sata3 Intel ports.
    I'm not a fan of motherboards that require you to use mostly 3rd party usb 3.0 controllers such as ASMedia, Renesas, Nec, VIA, etc.
    My preference is for a motherboard that provides the most Intel usb 3.0 ports.
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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    I think that a Haswell cpu and motherboard will better suit your needs instead of using the X79 platform.
    For optimal performance and stability, make sure that your motherboard offers 6 sata3 Intel ports.
    I'm not a fan of motherboards that require you to use mostly 3rd party usb 3.0 controllers such as ASMedia, Renesas, Nec, VIA, etc.
    My preference is for a motherboard that provides the most Intel usb 3.0 ports.
    So something like the i5-4670 CPU and, say, the AsRock Z87M Extreme 4 MB.
    The MB has 6 x SATA3 6.0 ports, and 6 x USB 3.0 ports (4 on back panel, 2 via connector)
    Unable to find if the SATA3 ports are Intel or not though.

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    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
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    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
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    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

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    Thumbs up Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    It looks like all of the sata3 ports are Intel.
    From the user manual:
    • 6 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, Intel Rapid Storage Technology 12 and Intel Smart Response Technology), NCQ, AHCI and “Hot Plug” functions (SATA3_1 connector is shared with eSATA port)
    • 1 x eSATA connector, supports NCQ, AHCI, “Hot Plug” and Port Multiplier functions

    Many or most 3rd party sata3 controllers only support raid0 and raid1.
    The downloads page doesn't mention any 3rd party drivers and there is an Intel usb 3.0 driver download.

    The only problem is that with a micro motherboard layout, the unused pci-e slots will be unavailable with a dual video card setup where the video cards each require 2 slots due to how thick they are.

    Using an aftermarket cpu air cooler might be a problem depending on the computer case.
    An AIO cpu water cooler/radiator setup should be optimal if there aren't any fitment issues.

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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    OK. Z87 Extreme3 fits most of the categories, that would probably be a better bet anyway.
    ATX factor, still has the 6 x Sata3 6.0 sockets, still has the 6 x USB 3.0, supports XFire

    One thing I did notice with the i5-4670k CPU, it apparently only supports DDR3 1333/1600 RAM.
    Don't know how accurate that is, but it would make a difference to what RAM I buy if it is correct.

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    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    1600MHz memory speeds are the sweet spot and there is little benefit to installing the more expensive, higher speed kits. Check out http://forums.tweaktown.com/memory/4...dy-bridge.html and you'll see that faster memory speeds really aren't needed. The thread is hardly the last word on the subject, but it's a good starting point. Doing a modest cpu overclock can further improve your memory performance.

    Having the features you need is important, but you also need to look at the quality of the components.

    The quality of the components used is very important because lower priced motherboards have cut some corners to come in at a lower price point. One important example is the quality and quantity of the VRM's will have an impact on the electrical stability and reliability. The main VRM's and chokes are often located around the cpu socket, usually to the left and above; they are those strange looking round and square thingies. Less expensive boards can have a thinner motherboard PCB and this is not desirable. While you won't be overclocking your cpu, ambient temperatures in the summer will cause your system to run much hotter.

    My preference would be to avoid the entry level class of motherboards and go with a mid-level board.

    Check out ASRock Z87 Motherboards Roundup - Z87 Extreme9, Z87 OC Formula, Z87 FATAL1TY Professional for an ASRock Z87 overview. The attached pictures are from their site.

    Current Newegg USA prices are:
    • ASRock Z87-Extreme3: $115
    • ASRock Z87-Extreme4: $145
    • ASRock Z87-Extreme6: $160
    • ASRock Z87-Extreme6/ac: $200
    • ASRock Z87-Extreme9/ac: $330
    • ASRock Z87 Extreme11/ac: $540



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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    Ok. The Z87 Extreme6 ($20 Aust more than the Extreme4 and $65 more than the Extreme3, but $185 less than the Extreme9/AC, going from my local supplier) has a 12 phase VRM, while the Extreme3 has an 8 phase VRM.
    While I am not 100% sure, From what I gathered from reading a bit (and not comprehending much, I just finished a 12 hour night shift), 12 phase VRM is better than 8 phase VRM due to better voltage control.
    The quality of the VRM on the Extreme6 was not mentioned in any of the 4 reviews I read, which I suppose is at least not bad news.

    I did notice that there is an Extreme6 and an Extreme6/AC on the AsRock website, but I have been unable to find the AC version available from any of my normal retailers here in Australia.
    About the only difference I can note really is the AC version has WiFi/Bluetooth, not something I particularly need, my house is cabled through the walls.

    The Extreme6 certainly seems to be recommended. The problems that most people seem to have experienced were when it came to overclocking, something I won't be doing.

    You notice I keep changing things the more you teach me? This must be horribly basic for you, and again I thank you for your time and patience.

    Personal consideration:
    I also have to consider cost. I have to squeeze a motherboard, cpu and ram into $600 Australian. The CPU is about AU$280 (i5-4670K), the MB is about AU$210 (Extreme6).
    8Gb RAM is about $110 (right now, 2 x 4Gb Corsair Vengeance 1600 or Patriot Viper 1600). No change from AU$600, but fairly good components.
    Unfortunately, the Extreme9/AC is out of my price range. (Of course, once I get the P9X79 Pro back, if I can get a couple of hundred (!!!) for it selling it, then the Exteme9/AC is affordable.)

    Oh, and ambient room temperature is not an issue. The room is split-system air-conditioned.
    We had 2 days last week at 40 degrees Celsius outside. The room did not go over 21 degrees Celsius.

    MAIN PC
    CPU
    - i7-3820 @ 3.60Ghz
    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
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    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

    OCZ Vertex 4 120Gb SSD (Boot)
    2 x ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    Win7 X64 Ultimate
    Logitech G15 (6 G Keys) USB
    Logitech MX-518 mouse
    Phillips 22HFL3350D/10 (1920 x 1080)
    NAS - Netgear RN104-100AJS 4 Bay (not hooked in)
    Not overclocking


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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    You notice I keep changing things the more you teach me?
    That's the whole idea of my long winded posts.
    So you now want the more expensive i5-4670K cpu. You will eventually get some of your money back when you sell the system because the K-models are more desirable. The Extreme6/ac model should provide improved wi-fi performance IF you have an AC compatible router in the future but this is a non-issue for you with your wired internet connection. The Extreme9/ac motherboard is overkill for you unless you're seriously thinking of running a 3-way or 4-way video card setup. Hey maybe you could buy 4x$1000 (USD) video cards with the Extreme9/ac motherboard and power six 4K monitors.

    One possible downside with the Extreme4 or Extreme6, they both have 2 PCI slots and there is only one PCI-e x1 slot available. What about the 3rd x16 PCI-e slot at the bottom of the motherboards? With a normal x8 by x8 dual video card setup, using this last PCI-e slot will make your dual card setup run with x8 by x4 bandwidth limits. The $150 - $250 (USD) MSI motherboards don't have any of the legacy PCI slots, but if their 3rd x16 physical, x4 electrical slot is used, it too will limit a dual video card setup to x8 by x4 bandwidth.

    Keep in mind that you can sell your current video cards in the future and buy a more powerful single video card that will outperform your current dual video cards.

    Make sure that the memory kit that you buy is a) on the ASRock memory QVL list or b) the memory kit has been tested by the memory manufacturer with your motherboard. Buying "non-approved" memory often causes stability and/or booting problems.

    If you overclock your Haswell cpu higher than about 4.2GHz you will probably need a $100 (or more) higher end air or AOI water cooled cpu cooler.
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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    That's the whole idea of my long winded posts.
    So you now want the more expensive i5-4670K cpu. You will eventually get some of your money back when you sell the system because the K-models are more desirable. The Extreme6/ac model should provide improved wi-fi performance IF you have an AC compatible router in the future but this is a non-issue for you with your wired internet connection. The Extreme9/ac motherboard is overkill for you unless you're seriously thinking of running a 3-way or 4-way video card setup. Hey maybe you could buy 4x$1000 (USD) video cards with the Extreme9/ac motherboard and power six 4K monitors.

    One possible downside with the Extreme4 or Extreme6, they both have 2 PCI slots and there is only one PCI-e x1 slot available. What about the 3rd x16 PCI-e slot at the bottom of the motherboards? With a normal x8 by x8 dual video card setup, using this last PCI-e slot will make your dual card setup run with x8 by x4 bandwidth limits. The $150 - $250 (USD) MSI motherboards don't have any of the legacy PCI slots, but if their 3rd x16 physical, x4 electrical slot is used, it too will limit a dual video card setup to x8 by x4 bandwidth.

    Keep in mind that you can sell your current video cards in the future and buy a more powerful single video card that will outperform your current dual video cards.

    Make sure that the memory kit that you buy is a) on the ASRock memory QVL list or b) the memory kit has been tested by the memory manufacturer with your motherboard. Buying "non-approved" memory often causes stability and/or booting problems.

    If you overclock your Haswell cpu higher than about 4.2GHz you will probably need a $100 (or more) higher end air or AOI water cooled cpu cooler.
    TY again. Some of this I can at least discuss without a lot of research first.
    The i5-4670K version of the CPU is only AU$20 more than the i5-4670 non-K version. For that one item, $20 is neither here nor there. I figured the K version would be slightly better and you have just informed me that it is probably the better choice.

    I am having a lot of problems with exact memory. Looking at the approved RAM for the Extreme6 (this is a typical example, it goes right across most makes), I can get the G.Skill F3-1600-C9D-8GAO (2 x 4Gb), but the RAM list on the website gives the G.Skill F3-1600-C9Q-32GAB as the closest, which I don't seem to be able to find. Again, looking at Kingston, I can get the KHZ1600C9D3B1K2/8GX (again 2 x 4Gb). The closest the approved list gives is the KHX16C9K2/16X. While I admit I am a complete novice in the area of compatible RAM, there surely must be something that gives a bit closer result than that, or is it that the exact memory isn't required?

    I will only ever be running dual video cards. I have no desire nor need to run a third video card. Those two devices (the GPU) are the only PCI-e devices I run. To be honest, they are the only two devices, apart from RAM and the CPU, that I plug into slots in the motherboard. The remainder of my internal devices are SSD or HDD and stuff like fans/power. I was even debating splitting away the two 7870 cards when I get this new MB/CPU, one to each computer. With either option, the 3rd PCI-e slot is not used so I am restricted, at most, to the x8 by x8.

    I didn't want to start a discussion of the merits/capabilities of non-AsRock MB in an AsRock forum (you mentioned MSI), I wasn't sure of the rules or even the appropriateness of that. I haven't researched yet outside the AsRock line.

    With regard to selling, I usually tend to step hardware down to wife's/kid's computers rather than just sell it. By the time it doesn't do what THEY want it is barely worth the effort of selling it.

    My router is wireless (I am also running 5 tablets all connected by wireless) so I could certainly make use of the /AC versions of the motherboard, but it isn't a necessary requirement, given the wired house. (My main stereo has bluetooth so I could stream from the computer to the stereo with an /AC MB, but again, it is a nice extra, but not required).

    Water Cooling?? Way out of the ballpark for me, probably way over in a different state as far as my knowledge of that goes. Is it really necessary when overclocking is not an issue, nor is ambient room temperature and the case(s) have adequate fan cooling? (the cases will be the FD Desire HD with 5 x 140mm fans or the Thermaltake V9 with the standard case fans (one of which is a 230mm extraction fan)).


    MAIN PC
    CPU
    - i7-3820 @ 3.60Ghz
    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
    HDD - 2 x Seagate ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    SYS - Win7 x64 Ultimate
    KB - Logitech K350 Wireless
    MOU -
    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

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    Thumbs up Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    You're welcome.

    Here's my 2 cents of advice**, in the order you posted them:

    i5-4670K price difference - I thought that the price difference was much higher, go with the overclockable K model.

    Memory Compatibility - This can be a royal PITA!!
    Memory kits with slightly different model numbers can be very different. Two different kits might use the same internal chips, but chip binning, motherboard quality and other factors can mean the difference between success and failure with your motherboard. The motherboard memory QVL list is a subset of memory that has been tested with each motherboard model. Memory manufacturers test their memory kits with specific motherboard models and they create their own compatibility lists. Do you want to deal with memory kit RMA's? Of course not. I probably would not buy a memory kit because a forum member said that his "unapproved" memory kit worked with the same motherboard that your have. There are very few exceptions to this rule, such as the former Samsung "magical" green memory that many review sites and owners raved about. You can always contact tech support and ask about specific kits that interest you. Keep in mind if you buy an identical memory kit sometime in the future to double your memory, there might be compatibility issues with 4 supposedly matching modules.

    Multiple video cards and pci-e slots - I was merely pointing out that if you needed to use third x16 (physical) slot for any non-video add-in cards, your existing two video cards would then run with x8 by x4 bandwidth limits if any card is used in the 3rd x16 pci-e slot.

    Motherboard brand discussion - I agree that this is not the place to debate the pro's and con's of different mobo brands. I briefly mentioned the MSI brand because I'm most familiar with their lineup and wanted to point out that depending on your needs, you might need to look into different brands. Each mobo brand has models that range from very good to not quite ready for prime time and each mobo manufacturer has their good points and bad points.

    /AC wireless networking - The $40 higher price for the Z87-Extreme6/ac model might be worth it if it will eventually deliver real world performance gains. Keep in mind you would need to buy an /AC capable wi-fi router to get enhanced wireless performance.

    Haswell Cpu Cooling - Haswell processors are really cool (pun intended) if the overclock is not extreme and cpu voltage is kept below about 1.25 - 1.28 volts. Apparently there is a lot of variability and there's no way to know if your cpu will require average, above average, or below average voltage to your desired O/C level. Better motherboard and cpu cooler reviews will include the temperatures and voltages needed at idle (who cares), at full load (we care) and with an overclock at full load. The good review sites also tell us how "good" their particular cpu is when overclocking.
    For a really cool Haswell O/C, do a web search using: haswell delid
    I really like the Haswell dead blow hammer delid how-to videos, Do you feel lucky?

    ** Remember: I'm right and the whole world is wrong.


    Quick and easy method, but don't let the chip fall on the floor!
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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    Done, dusted. (The vise would have been a good idea for the other MB).

    CPU - ARK | Intel® Core
    MB - ASRock > Z87 Extreme6
    RAM - Sniper - F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2 - G.SKILL DDR3 Memory
    According to the RAM website, it is compatible with the Extreme6.

    Q.E.D., at least for my requirements.

    Again, thank you for your advice, time and patience.

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    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
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    System is not overclocked at all.
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