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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    - wardog - just posted a link in another thread for the 2012 ASRock Z77 Extreme4 & Z77 Extreme6 Review by Sin0822 which details the differences between both Z77 motherboards. Sin0822 has posted many excellent detailed motherboard reviews and he is very knowledgeable about VRMs. I've never seen a good motherboard review site that discusses VRM details the way that Sin0822 does.

    This is a good example of spending a bit more to get higher quality components.
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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    - wardog - just posted a link in another thread for the 2012 ASRock Z77 Extreme4 & Z77 Extreme6 Review by Sin0822 which details the differences between both Z77 motherboards. Sin0822 has posted many excellent detailed motherboard reviews and he is very knowledgeable about VRMs. I've never seen a good motherboard review site that discusses VRM details the way that Sin0822 does.

    This is a good example of spending a bit more to get higher quality components.
    I found that review searching for something else (actually, looking to see if I could answer a question from someone here) and went looking for exactly the same thing for the Z87 Extreme4 and Extreme6, but didn't find it.

    There is certainly a difference between the two Z77 boards in the area of quality. I would like to think there is a similar difference between the two Z87 versions of the boards as well, given I have voted for the Z87 Extreme6 as my board of choice.

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    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
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    System is not overclocked at all.
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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    PC Tech sites rarely go into details about things like the type of VRM chips used, and the reaction to the Z77 Ex 4 and Ex 6 review by Sin0822 by some PC enthusiasts is likely the reason why.

    Sin describes the VRM chips in each board, and states one chip is better than the other, as well as the implementation of the CPU power source. I'm not challenging that conclusion, although things are rarely that simple. A full test (which was not done) of each CPU power source should include the maximum power output available, and the ability of the power source to maintain its output, while keeping the VRM chips at a reasonable temperature. That unfortunately is very difficult to do, if not impossible.

    Regardless, then we see the Sin-wannabees proclaim the VRM chips on the Z77 Ex 4 are "crap, terrible", etc, when they really have no clue what they are talking about. So the VRM chips that are different and possibly not as robust as the others, yet perfectly functional, are called garbage by the "I'm as smart as Sin" crowd. Sin never called those VRM chips garbage, but simply that the Z77 Ex 6 board's CPU power source is better or preferable to that of the Ex 4 board. Better does not mean the other is worthless.

    The PC enthusiast "I have the best!" mentality, which we can see all over forums about any hardware, also must run down the "inferior" product. The fact that one product costs more than the other is overlooked, all that matters is "I have the best, all else is garbage!". I always laugh at forum posts about, "... is my XYZ SSD no longer the fastest??", or "... what is the fastest ____ right now?". Simplistic views result in simple conclusions, that rarely are reality.

    Then we have the mentality that a cheaper, midrange mother board should OC as well as one twice the price. Or even low end boards should OC to any level fine, as seen in the people that expect an AMD 8350 CPU to OC to 5.0GHz in a $50 board with a four phase VRM design with no heatsink.

    All of that together is why a Tech site would not dare to closely compare details like a board's VRM chips. Any hint that one board has lesser chips than another will become "... that board is crap, they said so in the review at...", and that product will be avoided by many enthusiasts for that "reason" alone.

    Bottom line for the OP, if you are not OCing at all, either board will function fine. I have two Z77 Ex 4 boards, which easily OC an i7-2600K and an i5-3570K to 4.5GHz. Both of those CPUs are not power hungry chips, and have relatively low TDPs. But I know better than to think this board is an extreme OCing product, it isn't. If that's what you want, don't look at boards under $200.

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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    Thanks Parsec.

    I would never ever go from one review to make a choice. In the case of selecting the Z87 Extreme6, I have read at least 6 reviews, plus the stuff Jim put up here, as well as the AsRock website itself.
    However, reviews can be completely misunderstood or even be wrong.

    I just found ASRock Z87 Extreme6 - Best Compatible ASRock Z87 Extreme6 Mobo
    It states quite bluntly that the Z87 Extreme6 "does not support multiple graphics cards via Nvidia SLI or AMD Crossfire." and even has it in highlighted text.
    Yet every other review I have found, plus the AsRock website itself, confirms that the board DOES support multiple graphics cards in Crossfire.

    One further thing about Crossfire. On the bottom of the board is a connector that is an extra power connection for use with 2 GPU in Crossfire.
    I even had one review (which I lost when my darling son rebooted my computer accidentally) that stated you MUST use this power connector when running multiple video cards in Crossfire.
    The picture that Jim posted earlier in this thread of the Extreme6 shows it clearly in the bottom left of the board, and an examination of the extreme3 and extreme4 pictures shows this plug is not there.

    Is this correct? Do you HAVE to use this connector for power when doing SLI/Crossfire on the Z87 Extreme6?

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    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
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    Default Re: BIOS and Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge on X79 Extreme6

    Never mind. I figured it out for myself eventually. I am not slow, just stoopid.

    MAIN PC
    CPU
    - i7-3820 @ 3.60Ghz
    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
    HDD - 2 x Seagate ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    SYS - Win7 x64 Ultimate
    KB - Logitech K350 Wireless
    MOU -
    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

    OCZ Vertex 4 120Gb SSD (Boot)
    2 x ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    Win7 X64 Ultimate
    Logitech G15 (6 G Keys) USB
    Logitech MX-518 mouse
    Phillips 22HFL3350D/10 (1920 x 1080)
    NAS - Netgear RN104-100AJS 4 Bay (not hooked in)
    Not overclocking


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