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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    The following fan specs are from the manufacturers' websites:

    Corsair H80i
    Radiator dimensions
    120mm x 152mm x 38mm
    Fan dimensions
    120mm x 120mm x 25mm
    Fan speed
    2700 RPM
    Fan airflow
    77 CFM
    Fan dBA
    37.68 dBA
    Fan static pressure
    4mm/H20

    Define R2 140mm case fans
    Low Speed
    Normal Speed
    Speed
    800 +/-200RPM
    1000 +/- 10%
    Max. airflow (CFM)
    52.8
    66.0
    Max. pressure (mm H2O)
    0.54
    0.84
    Noise level (dBA)
    14.9
    18.5

    For reference, my 120mm, 1600 rpm Scythe S-Flex case fans are rated at 63.9 CFM.

    I will post results from my patented 2-sheet, dangling toilet paper deflection tests where I compare how much the paper deflects when it is held 2 inches away from the exhaust side of the Seidon 120XL and the S-FLex fans that are installed in my system.

    My Cooler Master Seidon 120XL AIO water cooler has specs that are similar to the H80i's specs.
    The H80i and the XL120 AIO cpu water cooling kits each have 38mm thick radiators and two fans for a push/pull setup.

    CM Seidon 120XL
    Radiator Dimensions
    150 x 120 x 38 mm
    Fan dimensions
    120mm x 120mm x 25mm
    Fan Speed
    600~2400 RPM (PWM) 10%
    Fan Airflow
    19.17 ~ 86.15 CFM 10%
    Fan Air Pressure
    0.31 ~ 4.16 mm H2O 10%
    Fan Noise Level (dB-A)
    19 ~ 40 dBA
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    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
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    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    Thank you both for all the assistance, greatly appreciated, I believe I have found the problem.

    Just on a hunch, I removed the primary video card, moved the second video card to the primary (so only one video card) and fired it up.
    I didn't change anything else. Fans still in the 4 in, 1 out configuration, everything else the same as I listed earlier.
    I ran the Furmark 15 min burn-in test on that card. The GPU temperature did not exceed 70 degrees C, and sat at 69 degrees C for 90% of the test. The GPU fan did not go above 50% and the test completed just fine.

    Then I took the secondary video card out, put the primary back in (again, so only one video card), with the same configuration as previous, and fired it up again.
    On the Furmark 15 min burn-in test, the GPU temperature hit 100 degrees C after 4 min 52 seconds. I terminated the test at that point. The GPU fan had been at 100% for about a minute.

    Given that everything else was the same (acceptance tester here, I know about identical test beds) the only conclusion I can come to is I believe I have a RMA qualified video card....dammit!!

    It is a good thing I asked (and you guys answered) about all this before I started playing with overclocking. God knows what I would have burned out if the video card tried to become a lava flow through my case.

    MAIN PC
    CPU
    - i7-3820 @ 3.60Ghz
    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
    HDD - 2 x Seagate ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    SYS - Win7 x64 Ultimate
    KB - Logitech K350 Wireless
    MOU -
    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

    OCZ Vertex 4 120Gb SSD (Boot)
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    Phillips 22HFL3350D/10 (1920 x 1080)
    NAS - Netgear RN104-100AJS 4 Bay (not hooked in)
    Not overclocking


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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    Cool (pun intended), glad to hear that you are making progress!!

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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    I found out what it was.

    There is a little bundle of wires that run from the video card itself to the video card cooling fans. Two of them were shorting out, which meant the GPU cooling fans were not working properly (actually not working at all most of the time).

    I took it back to POP, they test-bedded it, immediately diagnosed the problem, replaced the connection.

    Brought it back home, reinstalled it. At the same time, I added to, and reconfigured, my computer fans.
    2 x input at the front (140mm), 1 x input at the bottom (120mm), 1 x input at the side (120mm), 2 x exhaust at the top (both 140mm), 1 x exhaust at the rear (140mm).

    Ran the Furmark 15 min Burn-In Benchmark (1920 x 1080) test. There is a warning about that test (it is really hard on the video card apparently) so I was somewhat apprehensive.
    Max temp for the GPU was 73 degrees, a damn site better than it was 2 hours before....and it held that for the entire test.

    I then bit the bullet, put the second video card back in, re-enabled XFire, ran the 15 min burn-in test again.
    Max temp for the GPU, 79 degrees. I took a screenshot of the temps at the 10 minute mark. Again, it finished the test.

    Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking-temps2-jpg

    Much better than over 102 degrees.

    Thanks heaps for the assistance guys. It made this much much easier, and I know not to bother with the overclock until I get the new CPU/MB/RAM/Cooler, and get 3 of the 4 HDD (and the HDD enclosure) out of the way.

    MAIN PC
    CPU
    - i7-3820 @ 3.60Ghz
    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
    HDD - 2 x Seagate ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    SYS - Win7 x64 Ultimate
    KB - Logitech K350 Wireless
    MOU -
    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

    OCZ Vertex 4 120Gb SSD (Boot)
    2 x ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    Win7 X64 Ultimate
    Logitech G15 (6 G Keys) USB
    Logitech MX-518 mouse
    Phillips 22HFL3350D/10 (1920 x 1080)
    NAS - Netgear RN104-100AJS 4 Bay (not hooked in)
    Not overclocking


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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    Exactly how many hard drives are in your computer case?
    Is there any outside cooling air getting past your hard drives from the front cooling fans?
    Do you cook pizza inside your case?

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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    Harsh. Very harsh. Hamburgers, not pizza.

    There are currently 5 (not 4) HDD in my computer (not including the SSD, which is mounted behind the MB plate), each one separated by an empty HDD tray.
    I would imagine SOME air is getting past the HDD enclosures, (due to the gaps between the drives) but not a hell of a lot probably.

    I intend to reduce that to one HDD and remove the middle HDD bay enclosure. Just need to figure out which actual physical HDD is the one I want to leave behind.

    Currently looking at whether I can hotswap internal SATA drives, there seems to be some confusion whether you can or not.

    MAIN PC
    CPU
    - i7-3820 @ 3.60Ghz
    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
    HDD - 2 x Seagate ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    SYS - Win7 x64 Ultimate
    KB - Logitech K350 Wireless
    MOU -
    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

    OCZ Vertex 4 120Gb SSD (Boot)
    2 x ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    Win7 X64 Ultimate
    Logitech G15 (6 G Keys) USB
    Logitech MX-518 mouse
    Phillips 22HFL3350D/10 (1920 x 1080)
    NAS - Netgear RN104-100AJS 4 Bay (not hooked in)
    Not overclocking


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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    Nice job diagnosing the video card, my bet was on a loose heatsink on the card.

    Now the question is, do you really need all the extra cooling you added to solve the video card heat issue? Sometimes more is not always better, as in adding a fan to every spot you can, not that you did that for no reason.

    I will say your HDDs all have good temps, although the one ST2000DM is at 36C and another is at 26C, and the ST4000DM is at 35C. Again, not bad temps at all, but are those warmer drives in the middle of the bay, or at the top? Just curious.

    One thing I think is curious is in the GPU temps in your last screenshot, which you said was in XFire, correct? I don't know if the labels being used are correct, but we can see GPU Diode at 75C (which I assume is the GPU chip itself, and GPU VRM1 at 75C, GPU VRM2 at 26C.

    I guess you can't get both video cards to show their temps at the same time, is that right? I was wondering if the GPU VRM1 and GPU VRM2 temps are for one card, or for both cards, as in one temp for each. If for one card, the GPU VRM2 must be for the memory chips, while GPU VRM1 must be for the video chip itself.

    No big deal, just curious.

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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    The ST2000DM-9YN164, the ST4000DM and the 2 x WDC are all external drives, in their own enclosures. I actually have 10 discrete drives attached to the computer. 1 x SSD, 5 x internal HDD, 4 x external HDD.

    Under XFire, AIDA will only report the single GPU. If I disable XFire, AIDA reports on both GPU separately.
    Under XFire, Furmark will only report one at a time.

    I would have to assume you are correct on what the program is saying.

    MAIN PC
    CPU
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    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
    HDD - 2 x Seagate ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    SYS - Win7 x64 Ultimate
    KB - Logitech K350 Wireless
    MOU -
    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

    OCZ Vertex 4 120Gb SSD (Boot)
    2 x ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    Win7 X64 Ultimate
    Logitech G15 (6 G Keys) USB
    Logitech MX-518 mouse
    Phillips 22HFL3350D/10 (1920 x 1080)
    NAS - Netgear RN104-100AJS 4 Bay (not hooked in)
    Not overclocking


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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    You can run GPU-z to display information for each card.
    You might be able to run 2 instances of CPU-z at the same time, one for each card.
    That will make screen-shots easier.

    HWiNFO64 freeware should also do the same thing and it includes quite a bit of optional, user selected system information.

    Sample HWiNFO64 screen-shot:

    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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    Default Re: Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking

    Is this what you meant?

    I hope all the numbers make sense to SOMEONE

    Pre-Overclocking Temps at idle before I attempt overclocking-temps-3-jpg

    I started the HWInfo monitor 5 seconds before I started the Furmark 15 min Burn-in test, and screenshot 47 seconds after it finished.

    Did I say thank you to all you guys for helping me out with all this, not to mention your inhuman patience? If not, thank you. If I did, thank you again!!

    MAIN PC
    CPU
    - i7-3820 @ 3.60Ghz
    MB - AsRock X79 Extreme6 (Bios P2.80)
    RAM - 2 x 8Gb Patriot Viper 1866 CL10 Series @933Mhz
    GPU - ASUS Radeon HD 7870 Direct CU II (2Gb) x 2 (XFire)
    CASE - Fractal Design Desire R4 Black Case (windowless)
    FANS - Standard Fan CPU, 5 x FD Silent 2 140mm Fans in case
    PSU - Thermaltake R2 800W
    SSD - Sandisk SDSSDHP2 240Gb (boot)
    HDD - 2 x Seagate ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    SYS - Win7 x64 Ultimate
    KB - Logitech K350 Wireless
    MOU -
    Razor Naga Molten mouse
    MON - ASUS VS247H (1920 x 1080)
    UPS - Belkin Line Interactive 1400VA 840W
    System is not overclocked at all.
    2ND PC
    AMD FM2 A10-7850K @ 3.70Ghz
    AsRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ (Bios P2.90)
    2 x 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

    Kaveri Spectre Desktop (onboard) @ 760Mhz
    Thermaltake V9 case (1 x 120mm, 1 x 240mm fan)
    Corsair H80i Water Cooler w/2 x 120mm fans
    Seasonic G-Series (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3) 650W

    OCZ Vertex 4 120Gb SSD (Boot)
    2 x ST2000DM001 2Tb HDD (Storage)
    Win7 X64 Ultimate
    Logitech G15 (6 G Keys) USB
    Logitech MX-518 mouse
    Phillips 22HFL3350D/10 (1920 x 1080)
    NAS - Netgear RN104-100AJS 4 Bay (not hooked in)
    Not overclocking


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