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    This may have been brought up before, but what the heck! I have a Yamaha CD burner that came with Nero that works Wonderful! I even downloaded the newer version of Nero and think that the sofware is a great burner software. I can copy a CD to CD, or compile a multisession CD, etc etc.

    Big question I have is this..... Is there sofware out there similar to Nero that lets you burn a DVD from a DVD drive to a DVD burner as in making an exact duplicate? DVD burners are kind of expensive, but I was just wondering if that is possible. I have some DVD movies we own, and 2 of our 3 computers have DVD drives in them along with a DVD machine hooked to the TV. I want to archive the DVDs 1.. so if my 8 year old daughter accidently steps on one or scratches it, all is not lost. 2. I would be nice to have a spare, in case one family member is halfway through a movie, and it's the same one you want to watch.

    Inquiriing minds want to know . *S*
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    Officially, no. It can't be done due to the copy protection that is placed on DVD discs (assuming they are region - encoded movies).

    Unofficially, there are some little things that can be done to possibly copy a DVD, but there's no guarantee that it will work once you figure it all out...

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    Nero supports DVD recording but I'm not sure if it will copy a protected disc
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    CSS is the name of the protection on all DVDs and region encoding is another.

    Both are easily bypassed.

    Macrovision is another protection, but all it does is protect the output of the video stream from the dvd. (preventing say, playing a dvd on a multi-monitor setup (or multi-tv).
    Many dvd-ripping (if not all) include options to disable macrovision during the rip process.

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    Region coding is fairly easy to bypass, yeah.. but it still takes a little bit of effort to actually burn a DVD that has CSS encoding...

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    Its easier to get rid of CSS than it is to get an RPC-1 firmware for your dvd-rom.

    CSS is there to prevent the data from getting from DVD->HDD. That is all. The code for CSS was cracked extremly quickly, and wasnt really that tough a protection. deCSS is the name of the program that does it, and the DVD industry peeps had egg on their face because of the simplicity of the 'protection'. No doubt youve heard about the people who were under attack for selling T-Shirts with the deCSS code printed on it?
    Freedom of speech got them out of hot water last I heard, but its now illegal for any american based server to host the deCSS code/program.
    These people had a noble goal, remember that- they didnt just do it to be destructive/ignorant/whatever. (except maybe the ppl who made the t-shirts :)
    They did it so they could play DVDs on their Linux boxes.

    Region Encoding is a hardware/Firmware level protection to prevent DVDs from another region being played in your DVD-player. Example- Australia is Region 4. Region encoding is to prevent an Australian person from ordering a DVD from the states (Region 1) and playing it in their DVD-ROM. This is to maximise sales in each country, as the industry releases DVDs at different time in different countries. However, this also prevents users who would like to buy DVDs not availble in their country.
    Nowadays, all DVD-Roms are sold RPC-2, which means Region-Locked. You can however, change your region 5 times before it locks to the last region you choose. Various sites are out there that offer RPC-1 (Region-all (or free) firmwares for popular brand DVD-Roms. The only good one I have/can remember off the top of my head have adult matieral banners and/or popups so I wont post any links.

    Anyway, programs such as SmartRipper include deCSS code and demacrovision code as well. I use it to rip my DVDs to VOBs and then go from there.

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    I emailed Nero at www.ahead.de and ask about DVD copying and got this reply.."Dear Vernon,

    thank you very much for your e-mail.

    I am sorry but you can't copy DVD's with nero. You can "rip" the DVD with
    another software and then burn it as SVCD on a DVD that you can view on your
    DVD player."

    So it appears that to copy a DVD movie from one DVD onto a blank DVD that one needs a ripper to convert it into SVCD first then burn it to the DVD.. I think this is correct.

    Anyone know of some good rippers of DVD??

    I am intrigued by ealier comment on Macrovision and the other protection to keep from DVD -> HDD. How is this done? There are times that I just don't have the time to watch a movie I've rented, and would love to save it to my HD to watch later, then erase it. Can't see cluttering my HD with tons of movies.. just would like the chance to get to see the movie before I have to take it back.. You don't know how many movies I've taken back that we never got to watch because something came up and it got too late to watch.

    Thanks!!
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    By the way.. where would I find "SmartRipper"?? *S*

    later guys!
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    http://www.doom9.org

    has all your ripping tool/info.

    That email from Nero is simply telling you you cant copy the DVD with its program because of the protection DVDs have (CSS)
    (and because Nero is a reputable program for the masses, it cant afford to include the naughty code without repercussions from the movie giants)

    SVCD is a low quality conversion format (unless you use right settings/know what youre doing), and is suitable for copying DVD discs to ordinary 700meg cds you can buy at KMart. The same as Divx movies, but VCD/SVCD can be played in set-top DVD players. (home-theatre style, external of a PC setup)

    Blank DVDs these days cost a mere few buks less than the actual DVD. You are better off saving yourself an hour or two of ripping/converting, then another hour or 2 burning/preparing/triple checking that the rip worked.

    In other words- go buy another copy of the DVD. :)

    If you want to go ahead with it, Doom9.org will give you guides on how to rip and convert the DVD.
    If you wanna make a copy, just burn the ripped VOBs etc back to a blank DVD.

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    Macrovision has been around since, well, pirating. Their sole goal is to prevent the copying of copyrighted works. It never works however, their 'protection' is usually cracked within weeks, yet the big-name industry giants still bother to pay them millions of dollars to use their easily bypassed/cracked protection schemes. Idiots.

    Anyway, my first introduction to macrovision was VHS tape days. I hired a movie (Predator to be exact) and wanted to make a copy. So I setup my little twin-VCR and was set to record. The output copy had garbled vid/audio and wouldnt work. That was our good friend Macrovision kicking in and preventing the 2nd output from being displayed. Nasty stuff.

    Same principal still applies nowadays with DVDs. Macrovision prevents the vid/audio stream from being recorded/displayed more than once. Pretty much all my DVDs have it, and its quite annoying too. My video card has TV-OUT, so I can output to both monitor & TV at the same time. Of course, Macrovision will disable the output to one of them, (my TV) therefore defeating the purpose of watching the DVD on my TV from my PC.

    Getting around this is easy, and takes about 15mins. Using SmartRipper, I rip the DVD to my HDD and just use ZoomPlayer to watch the ripped content. But this isnt efficient- the ripped content can and often does go over the 4gig mark. So 4+gig of HDD space is needed to store a single DVD movie.
    This is where compression steps in. I personally use Divx as I dont have a set-top DVD player, and if I did, I wouldnt be bothering watching DVDs on my computer. :)

    VCD (Video CD) and SVCD (Super Video CD) are other formats that set-top boxes can read as well as DVD discs. imo- the format is crap, and only applies to people who have the set-top box and not a PC. (which doesnt make sence, cause you need a PC to create a VCD...but this is where your uncle or the guy next door or your fav P2P network comes into play and gives you vcds) Divx is the other way around. (high-quality, PC/XBOX ( :D ) only supported playback)

    Both are complicated procedures, you should read-up on it more at Doom9.org before even imagining about thinking about attempting a vcd/divx rip.

    CSS is very basic encryption. It simply encrypts the data. deCSS simply decrypts the encrypted data and saves it instead of playing it. Easy-Peesy. All DVDs have it.

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