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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L and Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1066 problem

    First of all, have you tested the ram one stick at a time in Memtest86+ at stock in your to be sure none of them are DOA? Crucial's often die and I just wanted to rule out you having one dead stick that could be what is holding back.

    What BIOS are you using as well?

    What settings are you using now and I will see if I can help you adjust them >>>

    This is Just a template I use to ask people there settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________ ?
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ ?
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______?
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ ?
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ ?
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ ?
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ ?
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ ?
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ ?
    Static tRead Value_______________ 1-31
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 1-31

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L and Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1066 problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    First off a few things you should know PC2-8500 is actually PC2-6400
    All PC2-8500 must be manually overclocked to 1066

    Second all SPD/SLI timings must be manually entered on Intel chipset boards, Nvidia Boards are the only ones that Automatically pick them up

    Third, Auto is NOT what you see on the left, and is not the SPD timings either always.

    And Fourth, Crucial already has issues with GA boards so you are lucky it is running ok for you, Spec voltages are the MAX allowed for warranty purposes. Not the Spec your ram will need to run and be stable. Especially Crucial please do not use 2.2, they will be very hot and you will need a RMA pretty quick, just google RMA crucial and read a few of the threads and you will see 2.2 is too much, and usually 2.1 is not even needed.

    2.1 is fine and you may need that to run 1066, but I would test it at 2.0 myself first and see if that is ok, anything over 2.1 use a fan on the memory.

    I see you got G.Skill, all the same applies. Those work alot better in GA boards as you found.

    So yes, everything should be manually entered in the BIOS, auto is for setting up your board pretty much

    DDR2 Overvoltage control is the memory Voltage in the BIOS.
    +0.1 = 1.9V
    +0.2 = 2.0V
    +0.3 = 2.1V

    To run 1066 you will likely also need to add +0.1 or more to MCH voltage as well

    AHCI you will find actually slows you down. If you do not need hotswapping there is no need to use it as vista automatically uses NCQ if your drive supports it
    In Vista 64 this is NOT the case. I have benchmarked my GA-P35C-DS3R (drives wdc 3200aaks and 5000aaks) in both an AHCI and NON AHCI install.

    Where I found general transfer rates to be similiar, with AHCI enabled the "Burst" rates (buffer to host) using HD Tune were around 30% faster!

    You say " If you do not need hotswapping there is no need to use it as vista automatically uses NCQ if your drive supports it" I'm also interested to know where that information came from?

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L and Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1066 problem

    The AHCI driver is installed with vista, and NCQ should be enabled in your Disk Controller if your drive supports it whether you have AHCI enabled or not
    Native Command Queuing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That specific info is not there, just a bit about the driver included.

    Are you having issues, or just doubt my thoughts there? If so can you open device manger and look at your Drive controller NCQ should be enabled if your disk supports it

    As for the slows you down comment, that will vary with disks, boards, ram and I mainly meant at boot time it will slow you down more then anything else

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L and Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1066 problem

    Are you having issues, or just doubt my thoughts there?
    In doubt about your thoughts.... ;)

    You imply that if Vista is used, NCQ will be invoked automatically/manually regardless of whether the bios has been set to AHCI mode or not.

    As far as I'm aware and i can link to a load of information if you require, AHCI is the "umbrella" to NCQ. In other words AHCI Mode is a pre-requisite for an NCQ enabled drive to work in that mode (ie NCQ).

    Your comments suggest Vista will look after NCQ and AHCI mode only need be invoked if "Hot Swap" etc is required - which is not the case.

    From the link you supplied:-
    Many newer chipsets support the Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI), which should allow a generic driver supplied by the operating system to control them and enable NCQ.
    Quotes courtesy of Intel (amongst many):-
    http://www.intel.com/support/chipset.../cs-012305.htm
    Native Command Queuing (NCQ) is a feature supported by Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI).
    http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...storage_sb.htm
    By including support for Serial ATA Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI), Native Command Queuing (NCQ) provides additional performance & faster boot times, hot plug capability to allow drives to be added or removed with the PC running, and staggered spin up to reduce power loads on machines with multiple drives.
    From Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R manual (bios page 43)
    AHCI Configures the SATA controllers to AHCI mode. Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) is an interface specification that allows the storage driver to enable advanced serial ATA features such as Native Command Queuing and hot plug.
    For more information about AHCI, please visit Intel's website.
    Last edited by VorLonUK; 09-04-2008 at 10:10 PM.

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L and Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1066 problem

    I'm another person who has had problems running Crucial Ballistix (2x 1gb 1066 DDR2). It appears that one of the sticks went marginally bad after about a month. They ran fine for over a month while running on default settings, but then I started getting random intermitant BSODs. I also upgraded the BIOS during this time from F7 to F9, though I think that it's unlikely that this is the cause. Memtest 86 runs fine whether I'm using either stick or both sticks simultaneously. However, running windows eventually results in a BSOD when the bad stick is used. I tried bumping up the DRAM and MCH voltages as decribed in other threads with no luck.

    My new Mushkin (2x2gb 1066) memory from Newegg should arrive tommorrow.

    Jason

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L and Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1066 problem

    Ahh well I could be wrong then of course! I always gather from what I had read that Vista enables it by default, but I have not looked in a NON RAID/AHCI setup to be sure.

    You are likely right, sorry for my comment and assumptions!

    NoMoon, you will like your Mushkins! I would suggest your RMA those cruial and sell the new ones they send you to someone or on ebay

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