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    Default GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Hi,

    I have read the other threads about this, but the OP never responds with a "this worked for me", so I was hoping to get some advice.

    My system:

    Q6600
    8800 GTS G92 512 Mb
    Vista 64-Bit Business
    4 gig(2x2) Crucial Ballistix PC-6400(800 speed)
    GA-P35-DS3L(not 100% sure which rev.)


    I ran this system slightly OC'd for ~1.5 months with absolutey no problem. I got home from work one day and there was a BSOD. I ignored it in general, thinking it was random. Since then (~3 weeks) I have been struggling with an onslaught of BSOD.

    I ran memtest numerous times, reseating ram, and trying different combinations of 1 stick, the other stick, both in single channel, both in dual channel, slots 1/3 and 2/4, everything I could think of.

    Almost always the ram shows no errors after an hour or two, so I try a different setup. Occasionally there have been errors, and a few times, it shows infinite errors, showing every block as being broken.

    I have tried using 1.8v, 1.9v, 2.0v, 2.1v ( using the +.1, +.2 through +.4) At +.4 HWMonitor is giving me a reading of 2.16 v. Now I have read many different people's opinions on this, so I'm not sure exactly what to make of it being at 2.16 and not 2.2.

    I tried putting in some old Corsair XMS PC 6400 ram, 2gigs (2x1) and this BSOD'd after a few hours of use also. I tried reinstalling Windows with just 2 gigs installed. I have have used the three most recent BIOS versions for the GA-P35-DS3L, all have had BSOD.

    I have yet to try the microsoft patch for 64-bit systems, I plan on doing that when I get home.

    I was curious if I should be looking into trying XP Pro 64-bit, or RMA my ram or RMA my MoBo? Are there more BIOS settings that I should become familiar with and try to manipulate to fix my problem? I installed Windows Debugger and the minidumps just point all over the place, which from what I've read incidcates the ram.

    Any suggestions / advice would be greatly appreciated, this has been going on so long, and has become incredibly frustrating.

    Thanks in advance for any help you are able to give.

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    If the RAM fails memtest86+ even 1 error this is enough to cause a BSOD, the ram and it's setting in the bios are most likely your problem. Read thru this forum there's lots of advise about crucials.
    Take care,
    Rick
    GA EP35 DS3P w/ E6400 @ 3.2 Ghz, 2 x 2Gb G-Skill PC8000, XFX 9600GT, Corsair TX 650W

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    If you have tested them in a different system and they error you should RMA them... Period. Especially if these tests are done at stock MHz

    One error at stock is a error and calls for RMA

    Are you using Memtest86+ V 2.01?

    And if you do not know the Rev of your board, how are you flashing the BIOS? If you are using @BIOS, stop now you got lucky!!! Always flash from a floppy or USB with Qflash. And ALWAYS load optimized defaults after the flash, save and apply F10 and reboot, then make your changes. Your board rev will be on the bottom corner of the PCB under the PCI slots.

    If you still would like some suggested timings please post your CPU freq you try most often to use and I will suggest some settings for you

    Here is a template to post back your settings for me you are trying, but again if the ram fails at stock then you should RMA it

    Just a template I use to ask people there settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [102]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________ ?
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ ?
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______?
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ ?
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ ?
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ ?
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ ?
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ ?
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ ?
    Static tRead Value_______________ 1-31
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 1-31

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]
    Last edited by Lsdmeasap; 12-01-2008 at 12:54 PM.

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Thank you very much for the response Lsdmeasap. I will respond with all my information in a few hours when I get home from work.

    I would like to run the Q6600 at 3.2 if possible. It seems like a mild overclock for the combination of parts that I have, but stability is more important lately, so I'd settle for 2.8-3 if that is a better choice.

    Thanks again, and I will have the info posted soon.


    Edit; I do flashed with USB, I just wasn't remembering which rev it is at work.
    Last edited by Hozer; 05-28-2008 at 01:49 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Ohh!

    Ok, well at least you are doing the flash safely! Just wanted to warn you just incase!

    Ok, I will be back myself after about 11PM EST

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Robust Graphics Booster___Auto___ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio _______9____ [8]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)___266_ [450]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)__Auto
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ 2
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ Auto
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    Memory Freq(Mhz) 800 800

    CAS Latency Time__________5____ ?
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay___5_____ ?
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay__5____?
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)______18___ ?
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)____3____ ?
    Rank Write to READ Delay____3___ ?
    Write to Precharge Delay____6____ ?
    Refresh to ACT Delay_______52______ ?
    Read to Precharge Delay_____3____ ?
    Static tRead Value__________4____ 1-31
    Static tRead Phase Adjust____0___ 1-31

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ Normal => 1.28750V



    These are the current settings I am using.

    In PC Health Status, with +3, I am getting 2.06V

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Ok well for 900Mhz you may need to add a bit more DDR2 voltage, so maybe see what +.35 gives you

    You are not going to get 8X450 to work at normal CPU voltage. What are you trying to run? You confuse me the way you left the "Left" settings in there, please post back without them at all. Only the settings you are using

    For 2x2 sticks you will need to manually set the subtimings, at the very least set the BOLD items Shown below. Start with the higher settings I suggest then work your way down changing ONE at a time or you will never know what the error one is

    Robust Graphics Booster___Auto___ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio _______9____ [8]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)___266_ [450]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)__100
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ 2
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    Memory Freq(Mhz) 800

    CAS Latency Time________________4-5 Depending on what your stick says
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4-5 Depending on what your stick says
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4-5 Depending on what your stick says
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12-15 Depending on what your stick says

    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 3-4
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3-6 Or 9-11 Test upper range first
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 3-5
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________52-62 (higher Setting is needed here for 2x2)
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ 3-6
    Static tRead Value_______________7-10
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 1-31 <<< Leave on Auto 1-31 or Zero

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] =2.1V
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V - +0.125V/0.150V] << more is needed for 2x2 sticks
    CPU Voltage Control_______ Normal => 1.28750V

    To test those sticks at stock and see if you need RMA download Memtest86+ 2.01 >>>
    Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool

    Then use these settings to test (Stock CPU and Ram)

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [266]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [3.00] << if 3.0 is not 800 choose closest one
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________4-5 Depending on what your stick says
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4-5 Depending on what your stick says
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4-5 Depending on what your stick says
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12-15 Depending on what your stick says
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ Auto
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ Auto
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ Auto
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 62 (higher Setting is needed here for 2x2 so 42 or Auto would likely error)
    Read to Precharge Delay__________Auto
    Static tRead Value_______________ 1-31 Or Auto Or Zero
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 1-31 Or Auto Or Zero

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] = 2.1V set to this for default test 2.2 in spec is never needed and is too hot
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V - +0.125V/0.150V] << more is needed for 2x2 sticks
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25] Leave on Normal Or Auto for Default Test

    If they are failing at stock then they are either dying sticks or incompatible with your board, which alot of crucial and GA boards do not get along. If you can test them in another system before you are sure they are dying/dead and need RMA

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Sorry for the confusing post:


    Robust Graphics Booster___Auto___
    CPU Clock Ratio _______9____
    CPU Host Clock Control_ Disabled
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)___266_
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)__Auto
    C.I.A. 2_________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)__ 2
    DRAM Timing Selectable____PD __ Auto
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    Memory Freq(Mhz) 800 800

    CAS Latency Time__________5____
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay___5_____
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay__5____
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)______18___
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)____3____
    Rank Write to READ Delay____3___
    Write to Precharge Delay____6____
    Refresh to ACT Delay_______52___
    Read to Precharge Delay_____3___
    Static tRead Value__________4___
    Static tRead Phase Adjust____0_

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ Normal => 1.28750V



    I ran memtest+ 2.01 and got no errors with both in, in 2x2. I have been running using the test settings for a few hours with no BSOD yet. Although, I got plenty of times for hours with none, then get them in spurts.
    Last edited by Hozer; 05-28-2008 at 10:53 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Well, if it runs for a LONG time and no errors on the stock settings I gave you for testing then the ram is ok physically. That still does not mean it will run stable overclocking though because of incompatibility issues

    But some do get them to work ok for their boards, So best to move onto your overclock after you are SURE the ram is ok and start with the higher settings I gave you and change ONLY one at a time downward and test after EACH move.

    You can set them high all at once, but I mean when you start tweaking them lower on,ly move one then test, otherwise if you move 2-3 settings at once you will never know what caused the errors.

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    Default Re: GA-P35-DS3L // Crucial Ballistix

    Alright. When you say test, do you mean just run Memtest for a full sweep? Or leave it at that setting for a few days?

    Thanks again for the helpful and quick responses!

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