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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    +0.2 or above MCH is often needed for 4GB or more, this is perfectly normal and expected with all motherboards from any manufacturer.

    You may need to use the full 2.1V, some boards need it or some specific sticks out of a series may not be as good as others so it may be needed in those instances as well. The 2.1V rating only allows you to use that much under warranty, it does not always mean you will need it all, but all sticks in a series should work with that 1.8V through that amount (2.1V). So it is there for your use, if you need it, which you would have to determine by testing.

    I use Everest Ultimate to monitor voltages, you can get a trial version here
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/late...y-tools-30530/

    Also in that thread is a free tool from the maker of CPU-z called HWMonitor, you can get it above or at the CPU-z site.

    I think you just need correct settings is all, it's not really a power issue at all. If you want optimal suggested settings from me please give me your current exact BIOS settings in a template and I will advise back.
    Code:
    CPU = Model Q9450 Rev C1
    Motherboard = X48-DS5, Revision 1.1
    BIOS Version = F7
    Ram = OCZ, Model Reaper 2X2GB PC8500, Part OCZ2RPR10664GK, And or Link
    This memory seems to have a number of different variants. Mine have EPP set to
    5-5-5-15 but I have seen others with 5-5-5-18 with different voltages of 2.1 to 2.2V.
    OCZ told me that mine can work okay at 2.0V and that 2.1V was a safe value, so
    it looks like my modules might be better than later versions and use lower timings
    and lower voltages. That is unless the EPP data is incorrect.
    
    Robust Graphics Booster___________ Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8] 
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.0]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333] 
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [3.2B]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
    
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]
    
    CAS Latency Time________________ 5
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 5
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 18 was using 15 as defined by EPP data
    
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ Auto
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ Auto
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ Auto
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 72 tried 54 - I would prefer it lower than 72
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ Auto
    Static tRead Value_______________ Auto
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]
    
    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]
    
    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.30V] 
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.0V] 
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.0V] 
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.2V] - now set to 0.2, previously set to 0.0
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.2125] - VID=1.2125
    
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................:  - No Bios option
    x C4/C4E State Support..................:  - No Bios option
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled]




    BIOS checkum errors are caused by unstable system settings, you need to get your BIOS settings correct and this wont happen.

    Clock is unreliable? You mean in your BIOS the clock looses time? If so this could also cause the above Checksum issues, this is caused by a faulty or dying CMOS Battery.

    Odd to hear a new one did not help, was it used or new? If you need a cheap place to by new ones let me know, if you are in the US, and I can link you to where I buy them.
    It was a new battery that I had removed from it's packaging. I have a number of them and I tested the voltage with a multimeter and it was fine.

    You may also want to update to the latest BIOS, F8c
    GA-X48-DS5 - GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - BIOS

    If you do update, please DO NOT USE @BIOS!! Use Qflash or DOS
    I don't really want to change the Bios unless essential, it will wipe my saved profiles and I have had enough of that to last the lifetime of this board with the constant Bios checksum error Bios re-flashing.
    Unless F8c has some bug fixes then I don't really want it. There are other newer Bioses up to F8f on
    GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS5
    Gigabyte X48-DS5 F7 Bios
    Intel Q9450 2.66GHz 8 x 333, 8 x 438 (3.5GHz when overclocked) 1.35V with Intel Power saving enabled
    Windows XP Pro SP2 32 bit
    2x2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2-8500
    Corsair HX 520 PSU
    Gigabyte GV-RX385512H HD3850 512MB
    Western Digital WD5000ABYS 500GB SATA hard drive
    Western Digital WD5000YS 500GB SATA hard drive - disconnected
    Seagate 250GB SATA hard drive
    Samsung 1TB
    Samsung 500GB
    Seagate 80GB
    BenQ 1640 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    NEC 3520 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    Pinnacle Dual DVB-T PCI Tuner
    Mystique Dual PCI-e DVB-S2
    mCubed T Balancer Fan controller controlling 6 case fans and CPU fan - CPU fan recently changed after system freezing started with new higher speed CPU fan.
    minifan blowing through northbridge

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    Default Re: GA-X48-DS5 totally unstable - need some help

    Thanks for all the info!

    A BIOS update may solve some issues for you, so I do suggest it of course, but you can try staying with what you have if that is what you want to do. BIOS Profile you can easily write down on your PC in a template for reference if needed, but keep in mind even if you had them the same exact settings are not 100% sure to work anyway in a new BIOS. Also, you are not making many changes at all, so saving new profiles on a new BIOS would be a breeze I think.

    Ya, I knew there was newer BIOSes available - we host them here, I just linked you to the GBT page because I though since you were wanting to keep things at stock as you have you might not be interested in the Beta's that are not posted on public pages.

    Can you also please post an image of Memset so I can see what Auto is giving you now for tRD, for future reference, thanks!
    Tweakers.fr


    Try these settings

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ Fast
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.0]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [3.2B]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________ 5
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 5
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 18 was using 15 as defined by EPP data << 12/15/18 doesn't make too much of a difference really.

    You do not have to set the following settings, I am just giving you optimal ones in case you ever do decide to tinker. I do however advise you set tRD (Static tRead Value), this is a huge performance setting, and auto generally uses either a too low/tight number causing issues, or too high/loose killing your performance.


    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ Auto << Optimal 3-4
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ Auto << Optimal 3-6
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ Auto << Optimal 4-8
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 72 tried 54 - I would prefer it lower than 72 << Optimal 52-62, should work for you now that you set MCH Voltage
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ Auto << Optimal 3-5
    Static tRead Value_______________ Auto << Can set 5-7 at 333 FSB "B" Multi's depending on voltages and memory used, lower = better performance, too low will not boot.
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto] << Always auto

    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.30V] = 2.1V, should be good
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.0V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.0V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.2V] - now set to 0.2, previously set to 0.0 << Good, 4GB can need +0.15-0.25 normally
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.2125] - VID=1.2125

    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: - No Bios option
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: - No Bios option
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled]

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    I did set Rank Write to Read delay to 6. I don't know which one that is on memset.

    What would Static tRead Value need to be if overclocked to 438fsb and 3.5GHz which is an overclock I frequently use even with the Intel power saving enabled.

    Also which is tRC? Is that the performance level setting as there is nothing showing around 24/26?
    Last edited by RedDwarf; 05-06-2010 at 02:51 PM.
    Gigabyte X48-DS5 F7 Bios
    Intel Q9450 2.66GHz 8 x 333, 8 x 438 (3.5GHz when overclocked) 1.35V with Intel Power saving enabled
    Windows XP Pro SP2 32 bit
    2x2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2-8500
    Corsair HX 520 PSU
    Gigabyte GV-RX385512H HD3850 512MB
    Western Digital WD5000ABYS 500GB SATA hard drive
    Western Digital WD5000YS 500GB SATA hard drive - disconnected
    Seagate 250GB SATA hard drive
    Samsung 1TB
    Samsung 500GB
    Seagate 80GB
    BenQ 1640 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    NEC 3520 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    Pinnacle Dual DVB-T PCI Tuner
    Mystique Dual PCI-e DVB-S2
    mCubed T Balancer Fan controller controlling 6 case fans and CPU fan - CPU fan recently changed after system freezing started with new higher speed CPU fan.
    minifan blowing through northbridge

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    Rank Write to Read Delay is tWTR, and you will see variances in Memset vs BIOS, see the sticky at the top of the forum for info on that so you know it is normal.

    Thanks, looks like Auto is using tRD 8 as of now, tRD is Performance Level in Memset

    for 435 FSB, depending on what memory multi/strap you are using you may need to use 7-8

    tRC is not in your BIOS, so you cannot change it and memset does not show this value.

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    Hi I have been reading this thread and I am running a GA-X48-DQ6 with a Q9450. Seeing your pretty much at your wits end lol, I had issues running OCZ ram on this board and bought some corsair dominator TWIN2X409-8500C5DF and haven't looked back

    Here is my bios template for my X48-DQ6 and these setting are ROCK SOLID @3.2Ghz oc

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.0]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [400]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.66D]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________ 5
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 5
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15 of course check your timings!

    You do not have to set the following settings, I am just giving you optimal ones in case you ever do decide to tinker. I do however advise you set tRD (Static tRead Value), this is a huge performance setting, and auto generally uses either a too low/tight number causing issues, or too high/loose killing your performance.


    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 3 I have left all these below on auto, these figures are what mine shows
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 6
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 52
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ 3
    Static tRead Value_______________ 8
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 5
    Command Rate(CMD)___________2

    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.30V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [Normal]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [Normal]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.2V]
    Loadline Calibration [Auto]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal]
    (shows normal cpu vcore at 1.2500v)
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: - No Bios option
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: - No Bios option
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled]

    Hope that may be of any help.........I don't think there is much difference in the boards (could be wrong) but I had a time trying to get it stable....I have run intel cpu burn test and occt without issues with these settings...Good luck!
    Last edited by JustRob; 05-06-2010 at 03:34 PM.

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    Here is what my memset shows



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Rank Write to Read Delay is tWTR, and you will see variances in Memset vs BIOS, see the sticky at the top of the forum for info on that so you know it is normal.

    Thanks, looks like Auto is using tRD 8 as of now, tRD is Performance Level in Memset

    for 435 FSB, depending on what memory multi/strap you are using you may need to use 7-8

    tRC is not in your BIOS, so you cannot change it and memset does not show this value.
    tRC isn't in the Bios as tRC, but doesn't it represent the Standard, Turbo Performance setting? They set the tRC to a value don't they? Gigabyte boards don't allow that to be set directly.

    So far so good, but it will take a couple of days to know whether the MCH increase has helped. It tends to not affect my PC when stressed, it's stable then. It's more when the CPU load changes, especially down. The DES still concerns me, the low CPU voltages when it was enabled got far too low, well below my CPU's minimum voltage which is meant to be 1.15V. With DES uninstalled it doesn't go below 1.184V but with it installed and working on the lowest setting it reads 1.05V.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustRob View Post
    Hi I have been reading this thread and I am running a GA-X48-DQ6 with a Q9450. Seeing your pretty much at your wits end lol, I had issues running OCZ ram on this board and bought some corsair dominator TWIN2X409-8500C5DF and haven't looked back

    Here is my bios template for my X48-DQ6 and these setting are ROCK SOLID @3.2Ghz oc
    Your doing quite well at default? voltage reaching 3.2GHz even though your default voltage looks slightly higher than mine. Your Q9450 must be a C1 revision mustn't it? I think that was the last revision of this CPU.

    I haven't really tried to test how high mine will go on default voltage but I doubt I could get to 3.2GHz when 3.5GHz takes 1.35V. Better Bios setting optimization might of got it lower as I was running it at a lower voltage but crashing sometimes occurred. That could of been due to insufficient MCH voltage as I don't think I went above +0.2 when overclocked which is how I have it now at default clock.

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.0]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [400]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.66D]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________ 5
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 5
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15 of course check your timings!

    You do not have to set the following settings, I am just giving you optimal ones in case you ever do decide to tinker. I do however advise you set tRD (Static tRead Value), this is a huge performance setting, and auto generally uses either a too low/tight number causing issues, or too high/loose killing your performance.
    I'll bare that in mind when I next go into my Bios, I'll set it to a defined value based upon Lsdmeasap recommendations and what you use.

    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 3 I have left all these below on auto, these figures are what mine shows
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 6
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 52
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ 3
    Static tRead Value_______________ 8
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 5
    Command Rate(CMD)___________2

    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.30V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [Normal]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [Normal]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.2V]
    Loadline Calibration [Auto]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal]
    (shows normal cpu vcore at 1.2500v)
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: - No Bios option
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: - No Bios option
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled]

    Hope that may be of any help.........I don't think there is much difference in the boards (could be wrong) but I had a time trying to get it stable....I have run intel cpu burn test and occt without issues with these settings...Good luck!
    I could run intel burn test without error or crash even with the previous unstable settings. Stressing my CPU wasn't where the problem showed itself.
    lol it frequently crashed/froze when typing in forum posts.

    [EDIT]

    I have just read that these Gigabyte boards overvolt the northbridge to 1.45V by default but when an overvolt is set the northbridge goes back to 1.25V. So setting +0.2 would be 1.45 the same as setting it as Normal/default. 2nd post in the comments at the bottom. It's the DDR3 version of these boards but a higher end model.
    The Gigabyte GA-X48T-DQ6 - Redefining the High End? - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News
    Last edited by RedDwarf; 05-07-2010 at 10:27 AM.
    Gigabyte X48-DS5 F7 Bios
    Intel Q9450 2.66GHz 8 x 333, 8 x 438 (3.5GHz when overclocked) 1.35V with Intel Power saving enabled
    Windows XP Pro SP2 32 bit
    2x2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2-8500
    Corsair HX 520 PSU
    Gigabyte GV-RX385512H HD3850 512MB
    Western Digital WD5000ABYS 500GB SATA hard drive
    Western Digital WD5000YS 500GB SATA hard drive - disconnected
    Seagate 250GB SATA hard drive
    Samsung 1TB
    Samsung 500GB
    Seagate 80GB
    BenQ 1640 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    NEC 3520 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    Pinnacle Dual DVB-T PCI Tuner
    Mystique Dual PCI-e DVB-S2
    mCubed T Balancer Fan controller controlling 6 case fans and CPU fan - CPU fan recently changed after system freezing started with new higher speed CPU fan.
    minifan blowing through northbridge

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    Default Re: GA-X48-DS5 totally unstable - need some help

    Yes you correct, my cpu is the C1,..........


    Now the reason I have the OC is because if I deviate from any of these setting I end up with an unstable system, go figure, so after all the hassle like you had I found what I have posted to be the best for my set up, I can play Battlefield bad company 2 for hours without a single issue and encode video etc and never had a problem.
    Last edited by JustRob; 05-07-2010 at 10:57 AM.

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    No, tRC on X48 can only be changed by flashing your SPD Chip on your memory.

    When you move to X58 you will be able to set tRC though

    Using less voltages is not going to hurt anything, so nothing to worry about there at all.

    That was probably a fluke or messed up BIOS/board, that is not commonplace for the NB Voltage as you mentioned.


    Crashing in forum posts while typing? Are you using IE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    No, tRC on X48 can only be changed by flashing your SPD Chip on your memory.

    When you move to X58 you will be able to set tRC though

    Using less voltages is not going to hurt anything, so nothing to worry about there at all.
    I might try lowering the MCH voltage after I get it stable.

    That was probably a fluke or messed up BIOS/board, that is not commonplace for the NB Voltage as you mentioned.
    Two people were confirming it on that motherboard.

    Crashing in forum posts while typing? Are you using IE?
    I don't usually use IE, never when it has frozen, I usually use Firefox except when needing 100% CPU for something, then I will use either Opera or occasionally IE. It's a total system freeze which requires a reset and not a browser crash. It frequently happens when my system is idle, typing in a forum was an example that has happened on a number of occasions, when stressed my system works fine. It can be at other times too, using different software.
    I found the memory SPD option in memset, the tRFC is set to 71 by default but I suppose that is just a safe level to allow booting.
    Gigabyte X48-DS5 F7 Bios
    Intel Q9450 2.66GHz 8 x 333, 8 x 438 (3.5GHz when overclocked) 1.35V with Intel Power saving enabled
    Windows XP Pro SP2 32 bit
    2x2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2-8500
    Corsair HX 520 PSU
    Gigabyte GV-RX385512H HD3850 512MB
    Western Digital WD5000ABYS 500GB SATA hard drive
    Western Digital WD5000YS 500GB SATA hard drive - disconnected
    Seagate 250GB SATA hard drive
    Samsung 1TB
    Samsung 500GB
    Seagate 80GB
    BenQ 1640 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    NEC 3520 IDE DVD-ReWriter
    Pinnacle Dual DVB-T PCI Tuner
    Mystique Dual PCI-e DVB-S2
    mCubed T Balancer Fan controller controlling 6 case fans and CPU fan - CPU fan recently changed after system freezing started with new higher speed CPU fan.
    minifan blowing through northbridge

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