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    Unhappy Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    Ok, I admit that is a bit strong but honestly I have never had a board with so many tweaks needed just for it to run stable stock :p

    I hope I can get some help here from the nice Gigabyte tech Lsdmeasap

    I have looked at many threads so far and have triedvarious settings myself, I was hoping to just get some specific settings for my system to be able to run this.

    Specs:

    CPU: E8400
    Mobo: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L
    RAM: G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-2x2G
    CL 5-5-5-15 2-2.1 V
    GPU: BFG GTX 260

    1) I have tested each RAM stick individually and they passed memtest fine. The problems occur when I place 2 sticks in dual-channel mode. 2 sticks side by side seems to run ok as well.

    2) I have followed settings from other threads to no avail... such as setting the MCH core to 1.3V, and setting the ram voltage to the appropriate 2.1V, and a bunch of other things.

    3) I have used Qflash to flash the BIOS to F8

    4) Now, it still hangs or errors out when I run memtest around test 3 when sticks in dual channel mode.Is there something else specific I should be setting in the BIOS?

    Thanks.




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    Default Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    Ahh, you will get it! It just is not a Beginners BIOS is all.

    I see you mentioned F8 BIOS, had you had better luck with Previous ones or is this a brand new build? I just ask because sometimes newer is not better, and your CPU is supported by F4 and above.... So just wondering which you have used or not

    Well maybe you should try only 1.2-1.25 MCH voltage. But yes, as you see there is MANY settings in there, and some may be to much or not enough in Auto.

    Post back what you are using that Fail so I can see what FSB and such you are using, and I will reply with some suggested settings >>>>

    This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............:
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................:
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................:


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<<
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<<
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<<
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<<


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............:
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............:
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................
    tRCD .........................................
    tRP'...........................................
    tRAS..........................................

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................
    tWTR..........................................
    tWR............................................
    tRFC...........................................
    tRTP...........................................
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:7-10
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< Leave

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: <<
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............:
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

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    Cool Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    I have managed to get it to pass memtest by underclocking the RAM, here are my current settings.Going to try to change the mem multiplier again up one increment and see if it'll be stable. Please let me know if I am mssing something, and thanks for the quick reply!


    BTW, as for the BIOS update, I noticed no difference before or after flashing the BIOS as far as stability goes.






    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)

    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.00GHZ (333x9)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............:333 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Already set to 100


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD] yes
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled yes
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [400MHz]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 667 (seriously underclocked, I just wanted to see if I could get it to pass memtest, should be at 3.33D)
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15

    Advanced Timing Control (tried a few settings here, currently:)
    tRRD........................................... 3
    tWTR.......................................... 3
    tWR............................................ 6
    tRFC........................................... 52
    tRTP........................................... 3
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 0

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:11 (Auto)
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:11 (Auto)
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< Leave

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.240V
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.100V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

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    Default Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    Bah, errored out in memtest after setting the multiplier to 2.66D

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    Default Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    If you get errors in Memtest with the CPU at stock settings it's quite likely the RAM itself that's the problem, not the board. Have you tried using other RAM or tested the RAM on a different board?

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    Question Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickel020 View Post
    If you get errors in Memtest with the CPU at stock settings it's quite likely the RAM itself that's the problem, not the board. Have you tried using other RAM or tested the RAM on a different board?


    Yep, I RMA'd the RAM originally assuming perhaps stupidly, that it was the problem. These are fresh sticks and do the same thing so I am quite confident it's not the RAM but the board.. -perhaps I have a dud board?

    However like I said if I run the RAM at 667 instead of 1067 it passes memtest, and if I try each stick alone it works fine.


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    Default Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    I totally agree with you: it should say right on the motherboard box - "The Board From Hell!"
    I'm reading through this forum again today, and I'm just astounded by how many people have trouble getting these boards to simply work as they should. The percentage of people who enjoy playing Russian Roulette with BIOS settings just to see if the system will become stable is exceedingly small... And if it weren't for this forum (primarily LSD), there would be far fewer who ever achieved success.
    I had all the same problems you are having...worked in single channel, but not dual, etc. This is just a design flaw in the motherboard, plain and simple. It shouldn't take BIOS voodoo to unscrew that. After many hours of experimentation, I finally got my system to be stable at 1:1 FSB to Memory clock, and as a result was even overclocked nicely on the CPU. However, I still get BSODs coming back from standby (as do many others) and have chosen to run with only one stick of 2GB until there is a fix. So I have a perfectly good stick of 2GB memory sitting in the closet. I consider the whole thing to be *totally unreasonable* and would never buy from Gigabyte again.
    Sorry...but enough is enough.
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L (BIOS F9); E7200 Core2Duo 2.53Ghz 1066Mhz FSB 3MB L2 (OC to 3.4Ghz); SuperTalent 2x2G DDR2-800 PC6400 CL 5-5-5-12 (T800UX4GC5); Seagate 500GB SATA2 7200 32mb cache HD; EVGA 8800GT 512MB Superclocked Edition
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    Default Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    Try these settings for 1066, the ram timings are set VERY loose for now and should boot for you >>>

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.00GHZ (333x9)


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............:333 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:PLEASE MANUALLY set to 100 (Just incase you meant AUTO)


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD] yes
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled yes
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [333MHz]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 3.20D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1065
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15

    Advanced Timing Control (tried a few settings here, currently:)
    tRRD........................................... 4
    tWTR.......................................... 12
    tWR............................................ 14
    tRFC........................................... 62
    tRTP........................................... 6
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:12
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:12
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:<<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………... Manual
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< Leave
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< Leave

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.240V
    MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< Leave
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.100V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

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    Default Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    Tried those exact settings, it froze in memtest

    I can get it to boot fine, I just cant get it to run stable, as in run Orthos or Prime 95 or pass memtest86 at least once at rated speeds (1066)


    Should I RMA this thing do ya think?

    This board seemed like such a good deal :X

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    Default Re: Gigabyte EP45-DS3L ... the board from Hell? (Unstable, need some tweak advice)

    I have found a solution to this issue.

    This board just refuses to accept a memory multiplier greater than 2.4 with this G.Skill RAM.

    If I set a divider of 1:2.4 then it works fine... anything higher and I get memtest86 errors. So I am just OC'ing the CPU a bit which I didn't intend to do with this build since it's for a friend who knows nothing about OC'ing, but ah well at least I got it stable :p (Well I shall see for certain once I run Prime 95 all night).

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