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    Default Re: Help with Everest

    First, before you get any further SET PCI Express to 100... Always. You already mentioned overclock, so you better get used to seeing it set to 100 as a habit

    You should be manually choosing the memory Multi, and choose the highest letter or symbol that will boot for you. So the 1066/400 strap would be the one to use

    And yes, you will have to overclock your FSB and possibly bring down your CPU multi to 9 so you can set FSB higher to get the bst out of your ram

    Have you tested 5-5-5-12 yet? Or 5-4-4-12? Just wondering

    You will need to bring static tRead Value up to 6 or 7 to use the 400/1066 strap. And you may be able to also bring down Refresh to act to 45-50, read to precharge to 2. Of course all of that will only be of use if it is stable, so you must always test.

    I would use this are to be trying 3.6 >>>

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9]
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.0]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [400]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.66] << use 400/1066 Strap
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________5
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4/5
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4/5
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12/15

    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 2 (3-4)
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3-6 (Also test 9-11 sometimes 4 or 11 is best)
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 3-6
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________45-50 (52-62)
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ 2 (3-6)
    Static tRead Value_______________ 6 (7-10)
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.200V - +0.300V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V - +0.2V]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.45] << you will have to test different values till you find what works. May be more and may be less, start high for sure so you can find a bootable voltage then lower later

    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

    Or this for higher FSB >>>

    Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.0]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.66] << use 400/1066 Strap
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

    Performance Enhance = [Standard]

    CAS Latency Time________________5
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 4/5
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______4/5
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 12/15

    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 2 (3-4)
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3-6 (Also test 9-11 sometimes 4 or 11 is best)
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 3-6
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________45-50 (52-62)
    Read to Precharge Delay__________ 2 (3-6)
    Static tRead Value_______________ 6 (7-10)
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]

    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.200V - +0.300V]
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V]
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V]
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V - +0.2V]
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.45] << you will have to test different values till you find what works. May be more and may be less, start high for sure so you can find a bootable voltage then lower later

    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

  2. Default Re: Help with Everest

    Thanks for all that info LSD. I printed it all out. I made some adjustments to voltages that I didn't know about before. As far as any adjustments for oc-ing, well...some of your suggestion wouldn't either reboot successfully or if when tweaking the memory settings in Windows using MemSet would either decrease memory performance or more importantly freeze up everthing in Windows. Had to hit the RESET button.

    I started with some new adjustments in BIOS. First I changed the Performance Enhance to EXTREME. Rebooted fine. Went back into BIOS and adjusted R.G.B to TURBO. Rebooted, got back into Windows without a hitch. Ran the benchmark and my memory bandwidth increased by at least 125 MB/s with out any real overclocking other than the memory timings being at 5-5-5-15 @ 1066Mhz.

    Anyways, went back in the BIOS and began tweaking with the FSB, CPU and Divider and below are the pics.

    This one is with just with CPU/FSB oc'd and the memory divider set for memory speed of 1066. (Cant remember what the divider was set at...3.0 I think)






    Here's one the CPU/FSB oc'd a little bit more and the memory oc'd a little (about 3% to 1086 Mhz):





    AND THEN......I tweaked the tRFC with MemSet a little bit and got this:



    I haven't had a chance to test with either MemTest or Everest yet. I let you know what happens later.

    Still, I'm not really comfortable with my knowlege of the Memory Multiplier. I mean I know it changes the FSB/DRAM ratio and I am comfortable with adjusting it so to match(or slightly oc) the memory speed.
    But I don't know about all this "Strapping" stuff. On my system there is 4.0+(800 Mhz strapping) and 4.0~(1066 Mhz strapping) and 4.0#(1333 Mhz strapping only IF I had a faster CPU-fsb). If I use either the 4.0+ or the 4.0~ it overclocks my memory speed WAY too much if the CPU/FSB are OC'd.
    Last edited by DavidDavisLeeSomething; 10-01-2008 at 02:03 AM.
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    Default Re: Help with Everest

    Well if you tweak further your Advanced timings you will increase your write and copy speeds and latency. You want to use the 4.00~ 1066 strap for your ram. The strap is more related to FSB speeds so it you increase your FSB past 333 then you can easily use the 1333 Strap. Which you can easily do if you use a lower CPU multi and a higher FSB for the same speeds

    And remember you can use a Higher CPU multi and lower FSB with a lower Memory multi if you are too close to your ram limits

    What Static tRead Value are you on? This is the one that impact performance the most, followed by the below settings and of course the Main timings. Tref and Read To Write Delay also have huge impacts, but are not in your BIOS

    You do have the right idea of testing things with memset in windows then changing in the BIOS. Just be sure when changing and testing the advanced ones that some are different then what is set in the BIOS so keep a eye on what the difference is and adjust in the BIOS accordingly.

    Like rank Write to Read Delay will be +7 in windows from what you set in the BIOS.
    So 4 = 11 in windows

    Write to Precharge is +5 difference

    And read to precharge is +2

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    You want to use the 4.00~ 1066 strap for your ram.
    I've tried the 4.0~ 1066 Strapping with CPU/FSB at stock speeds and found no remarkable performance increases.

    The strap is more related to FSB speeds so it you increase your FSB past 333 then you can easily use the 1333 Strap.
    I don't have 4.0# 1333 Mhz Strapping available on my divider. Remember my processor only supports up to 1066. It just shows 4.0# 1333Mhz strapping over on the right of the screen. If I ever decided to upgrade up to CPU 1333 FSB I would more than likely have upgrade the memory to DDR3 too.

    if you tweak further your Advanced timings you will increase your write and copy speeds and latency
    I don't know how much farther I can lower the memory timings. here's what my numbers are:

    5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RPD-tRAS)

    tRRD-------------------------------------------------------3
    Rank Write to Read Delay-----------------------------------3
    Write to Precharge Delay------------------------------------6
    Refressh to ACT Delay--------------------------------------52
    Read to Precharge Delay------------------------------------3
    Static tRead Value------------------------------------------4
    Static tRead Phase Adjust----------------------------------AUTO

    I lowered tRAS to 12 with MemSet in Windows, no remarkable increase in performance. On the contrary, performance DECREASED at least -150 Mb/s.

    Adjusted Read to ACT Delay with a few different settings. Not too sure what to make of the results. Coulda swore that when I raised the values it increased performance and when I lowered the value there was next to no change...go figure.
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    Default Re: Help with Everest

    What FSB are you using then? Just because your CPU is a 1066 means nothing, once you past 333 FSB you can use a 1333 Divider. So you must not be above 333 FSB then right? You can easily go way past that, you know this right? Use a 9 CPU multi and make your FSB 350 or so for 3.2 and then you can use it

    Since I do not know your full settings I really cannot say for sure anything. But I can see tRAS slowing you down, or actually causing errors because your Static tRead Value is Way to low. I assume you are running over 800 Ram speeds so 6-7 would be what could be stable at 800, anything over 800 such as 900-1066 you should use 7-8 otherwise it will be to tight, and very likely is not memtest86+ stable

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    Thanks for the response LSD


    What FSB are you using then? Just because your CPU is a 1066 means nothing, once you past 333 FSB you can use a 1333 Divider. So you must not be above 333 FSB then right? You can easily go way past that, you know this right? Use a 9 CPU multi and make your FSB 350 or so for 3.2 and then you can use it
    I normally run (no fun with overclocking..IOW stock duh ) with my FSB @ 266 Mhz and memory divider at AUTO (I'm assuming it's 4x). When I am overclocking, my FSB could be anywhere from 320 to 444 Mhz depending on how brave I am feeling LOL. Even when my FSB is 333 or more I don't have the 4.0# 1333 strapping option available when I am adjusting the divider. Like I mentioned in my last post it does say that there is a 4.0# 1333 strapping on the right side of the screen in the Menu/Option area. Since I cannot find the 4.0# 1333 strapping when I'm adjusting the Divider(a.k.a Memory Multiplier...right???) values I just assumed since my CPU only supports up to 1333 my motherboard won't allow me that option to use. I don't know if there is a special key I need to press to get 4.0# or what...???

    Since I do not know your full settings I really cannot say for sure anything. But I can see tRAS slowing you down, or actually causing errors because your Static tRead Value is Way to low. I assume you are running over 800 Ram speeds so 6-7 would be what could be stable at 800, anything over 800 such as 900-1066 you should use 7-8 otherwise it will be to tight, and very likely is not memtest86+ stable
    I am running the memory @ 1066. All the settings/values in my last post are the same values as if the Performance Enhance was set at EXTREME. I ran MemTest86+ with those exact same settings for at leat 2 hours with no errors.

    When was the last time you seen a BIOS for a GA P35 DQ6? I am pretty sure that there are ALOT more available settings with your newer board.
    When I press Control/F1 I'm sure I don't get as many hidden options as you do. Or is there another secret keystroke combo??? LOL.

    I'll go back into my BIOS when I'm done writing this and look for a secret button or something for the 4.0# strapping option.

    Anyways, thanks for the help LSD.

    Yack at ya later.
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    Default Re: Help with Everest

    Take a picture of that for me, your board and CPU stocks do not matter. You should be able to choose the 400strap and related memory multi.

    Maybe you need a BIOS update?

    I was just last week using P35-DS4, and I use one still as well. Nothing is changed between P45 ad P35 in strap respects

    Control + F1 was removed from the BIOS's LONG ago, so if you are using the latest BIOS you do not have to use that anymore if you flashed properly

    Good luck with things man. And yeah, it is about time you came over into the 45nm workd, start saving up!

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    Wow!!! That was a QUICK response LOL.



    You should be able to choose the 400strap and related memory multi.
    400 strap?????????????????

    U sure you're talking about a GA P35 DQ6????

    Don't even see that mentioned at all. Just 800, 1066 and 1333.


    Maybe you need a BIOS update?
    I've got what I believe to be the lastest released BIOS...F7....right???
    Gigabyte must have flashed it before they shipped it back to me. I had F6 on it before I shipped to them to diag and/or repair it.

    Still got the Control/F1.

    BIOS version F8 is still a BETA....right????
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    Ahhh! Sorry man! Ya there is 400 strap, when you go over 400 FSB

    = Means same as

    200 Strap = 800 Strap
    266 Strap = 1066 Strap
    333 Strap = 1333 Strap
    400 Strap = 1600 Strap

    So you wont see it unless you choose 400 or above FSB, that is what I meant! Sorry about that. They are named differently in different BIOS revisions is why I got confused I think. But you wont be able to use it unless you go up in your overclock

    YA, it is still beta F8 is. You just got in the habit of using Control + F1 right? I mean with F7 you should not have to use it to see anything hidden in the MIT section of the BIOS.

    Go check it out

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    Oooops....I made a mistake. There is no F8.

    Funny. They skipped a version...F7 to F9 (a & b BETAs)

    Yeah...force of habit. Didn't know the MIT settings were no longer hidden.

    There are still a few other hidden ones for a couple of other sections though...
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